This weekend it was time for another out of town experince. Some friends have a cabin in the mountains very close to the mainline between Oslo and Trondheim. It´s an very interesting area from a modellers point of view, it might be one of the most spectacular places on the Norwegian railway network. A lot of classic images like this have been taken in this mountain pass:
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The locations around the actual railroad are very familier to me, but I have never drifted very far from the railroad tracks.
So I was totally taken by suprise when we came by this old roadbridge when we went for a little hike today:
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Sort of looks like a Colorado narrow gauge railroad bridge...
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You can´t carve this, individual stones is the only route to go, me thinks.
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The other abutement is cast concrete for variety, the builders knew how to please a modeller!
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Nice bridge, but a shame that there is no tracks.
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It´s time to check the drawers for Grandt Line NBWs!
This bridge cries out to be modelled. Fortunately, the local Model Railroad club has a large scene that is based on this area. I really hope to build a H0 model one day, but don´t hold your breath!
-Regards, Håvard H
Hauk, nice pic's thanks for posting. i like the Individual stones on the one end. Craig Mich Great Lakes.
Wow, that's a really great old bridge! I love the dry-stacked stone masonry, obviously the work of a skilled craftsman.
The classic steam shot is neat too, it could almost pass for Colorado or Wyoming.
Thanks for the pics.
Great pics Hauk... excellent weathering references and that dry-stack masonry is outstanding... kind of amazing that it's still standing and usable, at least for foot traffic.
Paul
Hey Hauk,
Nice find...
Mike
That bridge is so generic is could exist almost anywhere. Thanks for posting the photos, Håvard! -- Russ
Quote from: finescalerr on October 12, 2009, 01:00:21 AM
That bridge is so generic is could exist almost anywhere. Thanks for posting the photos, Håvard! -- Russ
It seems that this bridge was built in a small coastal town called Larvik, some 330 miles from where the bridge now stands. A 1:1 kit in other words!
The bridge was built in the thirties, and It would be interesting to know how the company came up with this design.
A note on the weathering. I think maybe one reason it looks like it could have been a Colorado bridge is that it is located in a area that has a climate somewhat similiar to Colorado.
There is no doubt that wooden buildings located along the coast weather differently from structures in higher, drier altitudes like this. (We are talking around 700 meters / 2300 feet above sea level ).
I will post drawings when they are ready.
Great find! Thanks for the pics.
I agree..great find, and nice photos. Thanks.
M
Besides my 0 scale projects I am also involved in a model railroad club here in Trondheim. At the club we are building a large H0 layout based on Norwegian standard gauge prototypes. This bridge is located in an area modelled on that layout, so I choose to build a H0 scale model of this bridge.
Here is a little photo essay.
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A week of evenings well spent in my opinion! A relaxing project with no critical tolerances.
A very clever and relaxing way to make a complex looking model almost without measuring anything, Hauk.
And besides, it's prototypical. You live in a modeller's paradise!
Some serious mitre, notches and angles. Very Nice!
Philip
I agree, some nice woodworking there. Neat clean scratchbuilding Havard! Good to see.
Very nice!
I was wondering where you have been. Now I know. Satisfactory. -- Russ
Very, VERY nice!
Nice prototype, nice model. You got the proportions just right.
That is a pony Pratt truss. It is a pony because the top is not braced, rather the angled side braces keep the trusses from twisting and collapsing.
John
Thanks a lot for all the encouragement!
Hope to be able to show the finished thing late next week.
Regards, Hauk
The bridge is now finsihed! Yay. (Ok, a second plank in the railing has been added since the first photo, and a little more weathering is probably needed as well)
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The location of the bridge is on the second level of a two-level layout and very close to the edge of the layout, so it is very much a foreground model.
By the way, I think the bus company will rearrange their route a bit so they do not have to cross the bridge with their spanking new Mercedes tourbus!
Regards, Hauk
Most satisfactory. -- Russ
Havard
Excellent modeling. That is going to be one nice looking scene.
Jerry
Havard,
very wel done. Will there be a Faller car system installed on the layout ? If so, where will you put the guide wire ?
Jacq
Came out nice, Havard! Good to see attention spent on a road bridge.
Quote from: jacq01 on February 09, 2011, 06:07:50 AM
Havard,
very wel done. Will there be a Faller car system installed on the layout ? If so, where will you put the guide wire ?
Jacq
Thanks for the kind words!
No Faller system planned, nobody have showed an interest in it. But it is a really nice concept, and done right it can be very convincing. I dont think our scenes are too well suited. Most of the roads goes right of the layout´s edge...
Quote from: Chuck Doan on February 09, 2011, 07:12:25 AM
Came out nice, Havard! Good to see attention spent on a road bridge.
Thanks!
As years go by I tend to put more and more emphasis on the "Model" and not so much on the "Railroader" part.
But there are a lot of people running around flashing soldering guns and rolls of wire in brght colors, so I guess they are planning to run trains on our big diorama eventually.
Regards, Hauk.
The bridge is very nice, and the shot of the diorama suggests you'll finish with some interesting relief and, hopefully, scenery.
Beautiful!
Quote from: Frederic Testard on February 09, 2011, 03:49:00 PM
The bridge is very nice, and the shot of the diorama suggests you'll finish with some interesting relief and, hopefully, scenery.
We are starting scenery next week, so I hope to post some progress pictures in a couple of weeks.
Here is another picture of the scene from the opposite direction:
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So my use of "diorama" was an intended understatement...
Dioramas are nice, but big layouts offer some opportunities for grand scenes!
Regards, Hauk
I fully agree, Havard. And mountain landscapes offer us seemingly endless possibilities.
Quote from: Frederic Testard on February 10, 2011, 03:22:09 PM
I fully agree, Havard. And mountain landscapes offer us seemingly endless possibilities.
The landscaping has progressed somewhat since my last posting:
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I think this is going to be quite a scene when it is finished.
Btw, I really have a dilemma on where to spend my modelling time. Should I paricipate in the efforts to complete the large double-decker H0 layout, or should I concentrate on my 0m models? For the time, the latter sems to be the winner. Guess I have rather poor team player skills...
Well that is certainly making for a wonderful looking scene. I think you should proceed.
Jerry
It's a hobby. I think you should do whatever you enjoy most at the moment. Either way we will enjoy what you show us. -- Russ
Perfectly put.
Quote from: finescalerr on October 28, 2011, 01:20:11 PM
It's a hobby. I think you should do whatever you enjoy most at the moment. Either way we will enjoy what you show us. -- Russ
One of the things I really appreciate with this forum is the open-mindedness for all kinds of modelling. Both a hyper-detailed diorama of a piece of sidewalk outside MoMa and a Norwegian HO club layout catches the interest. I frankly doubt that you can find a modelling forum with a broader perspective than this one.
Regarding the way to spend the modelling times, I really wish it was as simple as doing what gives you most pleasure. A Model Railroad Club is a really dynamic entity. Several years back I was one of the members that succeded in convicing the rest of the club that we should our club layout and start a new one. But things played out different than I had hoped after that, but I still fell quite a bit of responsibility that decision. But when a hobby (read: the club work) starts to look awfully like yor day time job, something is very wrong. Ok, enough with the boring stuff, next time I promise to post something model related!
Regards, Havard
Just found this project posting and have been catching up. I'm loving the bridge as a tipoc, and think you are doing a beaut of a job representing it. I'm very much looking to see how you choose to do the stonework - it looks terrific in 1:1, and will be something to carry off in scale.
Oh - I do think you are cheating just a wee bit by going with a snow covered landscape ;D ;D ;D
Paul
The bridge makes for a terrific foreground model.
I also really like the spacious scenery. It's much more eye-pleasing than trying to
"selectively compress" the layout so you can squeeze in more track than necessary.
(Note: This is coming from someone who prefers to look at scenery more than cluttered track work...)
Great job on the whole layout!
Quote from: Ken Hamilton on November 01, 2011, 10:05:28 AM
The bridge makes for a terrific foreground model.
I also really like the spacious scenery. It's much more eye-pleasing than trying to
"selectively compress" the layout so you can squeeze in more track than necessary.
(Note: This is coming from someone who prefers to look at scenery more than cluttered track work...)
Great job on the whole layout!
Thanks!
Norwegian railroads in many ways remind me of American ones. Long stretches of single track winding through big open spaces.
And thats what we try to recreate on this layout. It is all single track with only one route in any scene.
Here is another image showing the two-level design. The black light valances are yet to be installed. The idea is to have a *very* long diorama!
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If you look carefully you can see the bridge abutement to the left on the second level.
Havard, The layout looks interesting i would like to see more ;) How big will it be? Looks like its going into another good sized room.
Quote from: Mobilgas on November 01, 2011, 08:31:05 PM
Havard, The layout looks interesting i would like to see more ;) How big will it be? Looks like its going into another good sized room.
Yes, it is pretty big, at least by Norwegian standards. The room is 33´ X 27´ (10m X 7m)
Here are the plans for the layout:
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For those really into big, Norwegian model railroads, here are the plans as PDFs:
http://wiki.tmjk.no/images/f/f4/Plan_1_2010-04-12.pdf (http://wiki.tmjk.no/images/f/f4/Plan_1_2010-04-12.pdf)
http://wiki.tmjk.no/images/c/c6/Plan_2_2010-04-12.pdf (http://wiki.tmjk.no/images/c/c6/Plan_2_2010-04-12.pdf)
A schematic plan:
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The red line is the main line, the yellow is a branchline.
Regards, Hauk
That is a huge project but you seem to be building it to a very high standard. -- Russ
Quote from: finescalerr on November 01, 2011, 11:40:05 PM
That is a huge project but you seem to be building it to a very high standard. -- Russ
Well, the ambitions are there for sure! I should note that the architect (in all meanings of the word) is a friend of mine called Henning Larsen (And to you architecture nerds, it is not the danish architect Henning Larsen). He has put enourmous amounts of energy into this project. He has made professional builders plans for all construction on the layout so far. This is invaluable for a club project. You can build directly from the plans, and this limits the need for tedious discussion on how things should be done.
Myself, I am not really a club person. I work on my little projects like bridges and buildings for the layout, but try to avoid beeing part of all the politics that goes into running a club.
Regards, Hauk
That's huge, by any standard!
Quote from: Ray Dunakin on November 02, 2011, 09:48:36 PM
That's huge, by any standard!
Yep, in fact too huge if you ask me!
I would have been perfectly happy with a one-level design in that room, and simpler trackwork. But the operation fraction in the club insisted on a second level for operational purposes. Come to think of it, very few of those that voted for the mulit-level design is taking part in the actual construction. Sounds familiar?
Regards, Hauk
"Very few of those that voted for the mulit-level design is taking part in the actual construction. Sounds familiar?"
Most "operators" are not modelers. They enjoy the challenge of the game, not the creation of its components.
Russ
I flirted with model railroading a couple times, (actually did some when I was a teen) but came to the conclusion I'm just interested in the modeling, not playing with trains. I certainly do admire well modeling layouts however, and this one is looking like it will fit that bill.
David
I like modeling with detail and running trains too. Could someone please come over and build me a layout to my standards (and do you work for beer)?
The planning of your architect associate makes a huge amount of sense. I make detailed plans of most projects first, even simple things like bookshelves. That way I just cut parts like a kit and assemble, no thinking and power tools at the same time. With any kind of group effort it makes even more sense.
I do admire the layout drawings, very nice.
John
Long time no post, but I have not given up on modelling. Last project was som bridge abutements for the wooden bridge. Next up is painting, so a few pointers to good plaster casting paintng resources would be much appreciated!
First is a cruel closeup of the first casting right out of the mould. Maybe too much texture, but I feel it will be ok. The pictures of the test fitting shows (in my opinion at least) that once all the elements comes together it will be fine. And the prototype shot shows that prototype abutements can be pretty rough, too.
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If anyone are interested in more pictures on our club layout, check out our FaceBook pages:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/TMJK-Trondhjem-Modelljernbaneklubb/189510487756969 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/TMJK-Trondhjem-Modelljernbaneklubb/189510487756969)
Nice bridge, and those abutments look good too! I think the texture will be fine, it's not much more pronounced than the texture on your prototype photo.
Started to paint the abutments, and this is the result. I started with really thin washes of different shades of Vallejo acerylics. Got a bit impatient and started to use less dilluted paint. After the pain had dried, I gave it a thin wash of oilpaint, Burnt Umber and Mars Black.
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David, there are quite a few of us who are classified by the public at large as model railroaders who could care less about playing with trains.
For me, the only reason I model in a particular scale is just so everything will fit together in case I am ever interested in playing with trains.
For me the quest has always been for improved ability or technique.
What makes these forums so great is the fact that modeler's of all interests are represented here and appreciated for their talents here.
Darryl Huffman
My interests are similar to Darryl's: I lost interest in "operating" trains around the age of nine but an article about a 6 foot long logging diorama brought me into the hobby. The modeling and scenery were far better than anything I had seen and I wanted to learn how to create even more realistic scenes. The trains were simply a unifying factor and a way to add animation for a few moments should the mood strike.
Why not flying airplanes or R/C tanks? Something about railroad tracks always has looked artistically appealing to my eye; much more than a path or street. And the wood architecture through the early 20th century has a character I like. So I became a structure modeler who stuck a track next to a building. Actually, I never found much in common with the typical model railroad enthusiast and the vast majority of those folks shun my publications as uninteresting, intimidating, or unnecessary. What a bunch of fools.
Russ
Quote from: finescalerr on March 17, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
My interests are similar to Darryl's: I lost interest in "operating" trains around the age of nine but an article about a 6 foot long logging diorama brought me into the hobby. The modeling and scenery were far better than anything I had seen and I wanted to learn how to create even more realistic scenes. The trains were simply a unifying factor and a way to add animation for a few moments should the mood strike.
Why not flying airplanes or R/C tanks? Something about railroad tracks always has looked artistically appealing to my eye; much more than a path or street. And the wood architecture through the early 20th century has a character I like. So I became a structure modeler who stuck a track next to a building. Actually, I never found much in common with the typical model railroad enthusiast and the vast majority of those folks shun my publications as uninteresting, intimidating, or unnecessary. What a bunch of fools.
Russ
I am not that into operating myself. But for some reason I feel that models of trains should be possible to operate. I considered making my Westinghouse engines static models, but it just did not feel right. And I love running them back and forth on my 4 or 5 feet of track. On the other hand I think of the scenes on our club layout layout as large dioramas. But I look forward to run some trains through those scenes.