When I decided to construct a boxcar for my 1/16th scale Railroad I wanted something unique but common (yea, I know). My research led me to the Carter Brothers Combination car. Many articles, plans and images have been published pertaining to these cars. I liked the versatility of the car since I would likely only have one on my pike.
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Like any project I started from the ground up. Since there are no 1/16th scale 3 foot gauge trucks are available I had to get creative. I ended up with trucks designed for 7/8th n2. I widened the axles, made new bolsters/spring planks and replaced the single springs with dual. I ended up with a truck that has 24" wheels and a 3'4" wheelbase. I also did not like the large diameter wheel bearings so I turned them down to match the axle dimension.
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One of the key characteristics I love of a "Carter Car" is the star on the journal box lid. I knew there was no way I could machine even one master of this, so Sketch up to the rescue! Many of you saw this on the SU thread.
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While waiting for the strip-wood, metal and castings for the project I started on the frame. I had some basswood stock so I ripped it down on my table saw. I wanted as faithful as possible reproduction as I could get. I made mortice & tennon joints for the side and center sills using my Sherline mill and table saw.
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Trussrods were bent up using a jig and checked in the frame.
I will eventually add threaded ends (1-72) to them and the correct looking hardware so they will be "functional".
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Spacers are used to keep the crossmembers where they should be.
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More soon. There's a long way to go............
-Marty
Looking great! Too bad all that joinery gets hidden, but at least it does actually function.
Wow not one comment out of 30 people looking what a bunch of duds.
As usual your scratch building amazes me with ever new project.
Excuse me Chuck just posted also.
Jerry
Probably my favorite boxcar and your model will be outstanding. You may recall I built a 1:48 Carter Brothers inspired boxcar from from styrene and paper and used the same underframe jig to build a flat and gon. I will be really interested in your progress. -- Russ
Marty, Very creative making the trucks, and the frame joinery and construction is top notch!
Great work as usual, Marty!
Thanks guys!
A couple more progress shots;
I drew my plans based on all the info I collected and had them laminated. Then I built a jig around the plans and cut spacers for the vertical posts.
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Once I got all the structure in the right place I installed the interior sheathing. I left a couple long across the doorway for strength while building. Exterior sheathing will come later, much later.....
Cutting the diagonal braces;
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The diagonal braces must also be notched so the truss rods can pass through them at one end. Kinda hard to see but this is a .0465" bit making a grove in the center of a 1/8 x 1/4 piece.
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I also drilled and installed the 1 mm (scale 5/8") truss rods. The rods go into the frame and the end cross rods keep the ends on. Roof rafters were cut and sit in the header notches. I'm trying to make the construction and joints as close to the real one as I can.
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It's pretty amazing – and cool how strong the framework is now!
More soon – I hope
-Marty
Now your just show'in off
MPH
It's à gold work !
Do I sense inspiration from Volker and Helmut here? -- Russ
great miniture wood work
cheers kim
Speechless - super stuff !
Barney
Beautiful work Marty,
Seems like Carter cars are relatively unknown in the general modeling
community so it is always a pleasure to see a project like
yours coming to fruition.
In case you haven't seen it here is a great film on the history
of the Carter Brothers and their car building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpxjg34gJV0
Looking forward to seeing the progress of your project.
Rick
Very good carpenter working in the model.
Holy Sh*t Batman!!
That is some beautiful work.
Must be fun to work in a scale that uses big tools to do things.
Jerry
Thanks guys!
Rick, cant wait to go home and watch that video! I'll have to look and see if there are any others or similar.
Jerry, I was thinking I need to invest in some "proper" sized tools.
Kinda silly cutting 1/8th or 1/4" material on 10" tools!
-Marty
I LOVE it Marty!!!!
Preac makes or made a terrific miniature saw. They also had an equally good miniature drill press. I have the latter and bought it when one I got from Micro Mark proved to be junk. -- Russ
I finally watched the video Rick linked in an earlier post;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpxjg34gJV0
You can also search YT for "California Narrow Gauge"
Thats what I did so I could watch it on the big TV.
I really enjoyed it!
Lots of good history and great images of a car being built and the shops.
I highly recommend it!
-Marty
Love to look at boxcar bones........wonderful.....Allan
Quick update
Initial deck coloring.
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And truss rod testing.
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-Marty
Love that color. I see the truss rods are threaded Chuck will approve of this feature for sure. ;D
Jerry
Love those bones. Allan
Beautiful work, Marty.
Thanks guys!
I'm still working on things here and there as well as waiting for parts.
I went ahead and started the siding.
Here is one end with the siding on.
Inside
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Outside
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Not much but it's going.........
-Marty
Love that weathering. The red came out real nice.
Is that the Red Oxide??
Jerry
What paint did you wind up using?
Liquitex acrylic oxide red.
Nice color, Marty., inside and out. How did you like using the Liquitex acrylic? Was it in jar or tube?
Bill,
I used the tube. It was nice. It has great consistency and excellent coverage.
I am over the "model paints". Their limited availability is frustrating. >:(
I will be using artists paints whenever I can from now on.
I got the couplers done.
Some castings, styrene, brass, a spring and 3D printed pieces.
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They function just like the brothers intended also.
-Marty
Excellent work.
Jerry
Beautiful. Love the color and texture of the wood.
Adequate. -- Russ
Spiffy!
How long before we can see the plans?
Plans?
Well Lawton I am using drawings from several sources published over the last 40 years.
I drew my own plans based on "normal" Carter references and the 8 ton car(s).
I dont know of any actual Carter plans, just drawings of old boxcars.
If you want plans let me know what car you want to build and I can help.
I have lots of info on the little details as well.
Marty
Marty, I have only been building models for 65 years so I am still learning.
I don't know why I never thought of using Artist's Oils before.
I still fiddle with those little jars of Testors flats and the colors never look right to me.
Sad thing is I have also been doing landscape painting for 40 years and never thought once of using the oils for models.
Sure is nice to have talented young men like you around.
I was bowled over when I first met Chuck Doan to see how young he was.
I know you guys are not 16 but Dave Letterman's quip seems to fit, "When I was 16 I was doing good to mix Tang"
I had a friend who had that magic touch.
Made me realize we all use the same tools, materials and glues, but some of us produce works of art and some of us are stuck with finger painting.
Thanks for sharing. The wood looks great.
Those wood parts are just beautiful!
Nice job Marty! I like it!
Franck
Hi Marty
I am also impressed with the painting. I would like to see more details please.
Ron Knepp
Thanks guys!
As always I am humbled by the praise.
The darker frame wood you see has just been stained with Ipswich pine and then treated to some kiwi brown shoe polish. The deck bottom was done in a thinned Ipswich then a wash of Vallejo old wood and some weathering powders on the whole thing to tie it together.
The siding shown earlier has a lot more steps since the two sides are treated vastly different and painting over 130 boards one by one would not be fun. The red is artist acrylic not oil.
I am about half way through preparing the siding for the sides and hope to show them on in a week or so.
-Marty
Here is the coupler finally installed and the two dozen or so fasteners!
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The siding going on
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Inside view
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And an outside view.
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Hopefully an overall view soon!
Mj
I thought you would have ben done by now....yrreJ
That looks so good, makes me want to try one!
This project makes me wonder why I am still fooling around in "braille scale"!
The heft of 1/16 scale models is fascinating. Especially when the craftsmanship is as excellent as in this case.
Marty, that's impressively fine work.
Thanks guys!
The only problem with going big is having enough room!
Here is a good sense of size.
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Ray has the right idea about going outside!
Too damn hot here for that though!
Marty
Wait, you mean you're not really an old Jimmy Carterish guy in suspenders and big hat? ;)
Marty, the problem isn't that the model is too big. You are too small! -- ssuR
Quote from: Ray Dunakin on September 14, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
Wait, you mean you're not really an old Jimmy Carterish guy in suspenders and big hat? ;)
LOL- Was thinking the same thing.
This boxcar is really over the top cool, amazing what you can do in 1/16. The functioning fasteners and such just blows me away!
Speaking of larger scales, I recently (well several months ago now) had some nice clear Sugar Pine scraps building up in the shop and decided to run some 1/16 scale lumber. What great fun, I found myself making little hammer and saw sounds when stacking it up and such. I had about ~1/2 cubic meter of ~6"-24" clear shorts that I mostly buzzed into scale lumber lengths, so I had an instant 1/16 scale lumber yard. ;D As a side note to that, around that time I had messaged Russ that I had some scale lumber that some folks here might be interested in (mostly 1/48 target sizes), and if it would be ok to mention it on the forum, and if so where, etc. I never got a message back (PM here on the forum) and figured "Well, I guess that would be a No." and ended up packing away my lumber collection and have been busy all summer. A couple weeks ago I checked an old Email I rarely use anymore, and which it turns out, was what I had used to sign up for this forum. Lo and behold, it turns out Russ had actually responded by Email instead of PM and said it would be ok. Doh! If I get around to unpacking this stuff in the near future I will make a thread to show what I have or could make, as I have a lot more of this SP getting used in the near future which generates a huge pile of nice clean shorts (and sticks) that I would really hate to trash or burn. It is quite a large quantity that I have already,and of unique character; some having pretty good looking saw marks and such.
I guess I shoulda put my hat and suspenders on!
James the wood pile (in 1/16) sounds great!
At least in 1/16 we can make most of our own lumber.
I think if I had a thickness sander I could do it all.
-Marty
Marty; where did you get the couplers? Allan
Allan,
The couplers are from Ozark, I need to look at the number.
BUT, they are highly modified. All I used from them are the actual coupler castings.
I added material and spring to them to make them operate like the prototype.
The brackets inside the draft gears were drawn in Sketup and printed at Shapeways.
I'm more than happy to share whatever you need/want if you want to do some.
-Marty
Thanx Marty. They look great and I'm sure they'll work great. The entire project looks awesome. Thanx for sharing.....Allan
Hi Marty,
was very nice of you to watch along with your car.
1:16 is somehow also a great interesting scale. there really is the DIY necessary and that is you have succeeded excellently.
Thanks Allan & Helmut!
When I switched from N to O scale I told myself i would scratch build everything I could.
By switching to 1/16th I really dont have a choice but to scratch build.
Of course i still cheat by using some commercial castings but i am getting fairly self- sufficient.
On Monday i needed brackets for the lower sliding track. I drew them and yesterday they left Shapeways! After doing so much brass on the shay it's nice to do something different! I'm looking forward to some trackwork and scenery!
-Marty
Track work and scenery? Will you build a diorama or will it be a "layout" large enough for the models to move back and forth? -- Russ
Russ,
Who knows?
Im thinking of doing an 8' length so I can run trains for some length.
I pray I will have some kind of layout (long diorama) someday...
Today I worked on seeing if I can cut .032" grooves in the center of .120" rails and stiles for the solid doors.
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Marty
Marty:
Put a grab handle on it and Russ can use the box car for a Man Purse.
The only criticism I can find is there should be a key locking the buffers to the centre beams. This reduces the chance for the coupler to be pulled from the car under load.
Marty - One of the photos in reply #42 shows lots of square nuts in use. Where did you find square nuts of the proper sizes? My guess is you made them. I've tried to find real threaded square nuts for 0-80 and 1-72 machine screws for a long time now with no satisfaction.
Bill Martinsen
QuoteThe only criticism I can find is there should be a key locking the buffers to the centre beams. This reduces the chance for the coupler to be pulled from the car under load.
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!
Lawton, you are correct! I wondered who was going to catch that.
It happens, and i just got lazy. I had planned on them - even had the walnut cut and then it was too late!
Your prize is in the mail. ;)
Bill,
I ended up drawing and printing some square NBW's. And some are from Ozark (ones w/ washers)
The truss rod nuts are .125" square rod threaded 1-72 made on the lathe.
I'm happy to share the drawings so you can print some at shapeways.
They are cheaper than cast ones!
-Marty
Hey, kids! Here's how you can make all the nuts you need right at home... and exactly the size and style you want! You will have to do some research on diameter versus height and bolt shaft size, but a trip to the hardware store will do it. First, you have to make a perfect master:
A) Turn the end of a brass or aluminum rod to the diameter of the nut OVER THE POINTS. Give yourself about 1/4" of working room.
B) Cut the bolt stud (if needed) and bevel the edge about 25 or 30°, then cut away the material behind the nut to establish the thickness of the nut.
C) File the flats-- four can be eyeballed fairly easily, but for six I pull the lathe chuck with the rod in it and use the angles of the three jaws to align the file. It may take a while and maybe a couple of tries the first time, but you only have to end up with ONE perfect one. THEN...
1) Mount the master in a drill press and slowly push the master into a sheet of lead (easier to find than you might think-- 1/8" or 1/4" thick works best) so the back face of the nut is a hair deeper than the surface of the lead.
2) You are going to need some sprue (parts runner) from a GOOD QUALITY plastic kit, yes the stuff everyone ELSE throws away when the kit is done. If you don't know a car/ship/airplane builder, put a note up at the local hobby spot-- you shouldn't have to pay for this at all. The sprue plastic is formulated differently from the builder's rod stock from Evergreen or Plastruct and works MUCH better. Cut 3" to 5" working lengths and heat one end over a candle until melted-- be careful... the plastic will catch fire at just over this temperature (like a marshmallow over a campfire). Press the melted end into the lead mold and hold a second or two to let it cool.
3) Rock the sprue slightly to release it and you should have a perfect copy looking back at you. If the edges are not crisp, the plastic may have been too cool to fill the mold. Cut the nut from the sprue with a single edge razor blade, using the plane of the plastic base as a guide, cutting in a little from all four sides to keep the bottom square-- cutting straight through will create a wedge. Cut off the squished end and make some more.
I have used the same molds for hundreds of copies before having to make a new impression, and have made some very complex shapes, including slotted crown nuts. This system works best for nuts .040" to 1/4" in diameter. Washers are punched from sheet stock and the nut can be glued on before placement on the model.
Very interesting technique!
In scales even as large as 1:32 it might be frustrating to create a decent master but the idea is great. Thanks very much for telling us about it. -- Russ
Thats a great trick!
I have square and hex bar for making functiong nuts.
For castings Im sold on shapeways.
Took me maybe 15 minutes to draw and 50 1" scale nuts cost about $3.
-marty
Thanks Dave, very interesting!
Marty:
With such a glaring error as omission of the buffer key, in order to stay in the good graces of this forum you must immediately mail the box car to me and start over, correcting the mistake in the process.
Stripwood, brass & 3D printed parts.
I need some styrene to cover all the bases!
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Marty
Once, while rebuilding a bakery dough mixer I had to get the shaft out of the beater bar. The key in the shaft was held in place by a large allen hex screw, which had become welded in place by years of corrosion and sticky dough. The hex was less than ideal and I knew it would strip out as no allen wrench seemed to make a nice tight fit. Finally, I took a piece of rod bar, heated the end up to cherry red with a rosebud tip and hammered it into the hex screw quickly forging the end into an exact imprint of the hex. After letting it cool I inserted it into the screw and grabbed the rod with a pipe wrench that made breaking it loose rather easy. Sorry, that post it just reminded me of doing it full scale.
Marty,
it's a pleasure to follow your report. Please keep us informed! Must be some kind of fun to build in that scale, but whoever thinks that it's easier than in smaller scales must be wrong.
Volker
These little boxcars have a lot of unique details. I built something very similar from card, wood, and some styrene in 1:48 but it lacks all that cool hardware you've created and SketchUp probably wouldn't have helped. Your model looks the way I wish mine had. -- Russ
That's looking really good, Marty!
Thanks guys!
Your right Volker - it is TONS of fun!
Unc, why not give it a try? The 1/16th crowd is growing.
Go big or go home!
-Marty
The large panel doors are built.
Slow but progress.
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Marty
I've become unhinged at the exquisite modeling you are doing.
Looking good!
It's true he is doing good work, Bill, but don't exaggerate. We all know you've been unhinged for quite some time. -- ssuR
Really good looking work on the car Marty.
Michael
Marty, Cant wait to see it done... ;)
Some progress.
Solid doors built and painted.
The lower track brackets were printed at shapeways.
The track on them is brass. Top is styrene with printed nbw's
The first layer of roofing is on.
Grooved as per the original. Only 166 pieces. :o
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Wish me luck on the ventilated doors.....
Marty
Marty; looks great!!!! Your post has been a real tutorial.....Allan
Looking good. Are there stops to keep the door from sliding off the ends of the guides?
Marty I just went through the entire build. A great job on the woodwork and the coloring with the oils. it really does make sense to use them. You have mentioned Sketch-up for the drawings for the Shapeways stuff is that all they need as a file?
Yes working in the larger scales is a lot of fun, my own preference for a lot of models is 1/8th inch to the inch or 1:8 .
Michael
Satisfactory. Keep posting. -- Russ
Wow, that looks pretty darn good.
Volker
Ray,
Yes! of course!
Funny; right now if I tilt the car the door(s) slide right off!
I guess my track works!
I still need to build the ventilated doors - started today.
Then once they are done and I am satisfied i will add the stops and other hardware to the doors.
-Marty
Looks great! Keep those pictures coming!!
Jerry
Well the ventilated doors were not nearly the challenge I expected............
Now to get some handles and hardware built! (and some door stops ;) )
Looks great, Marty. Somewhere I saw a similar ventilated car with a load of watermelons neatly packed on the floor. Will yours have lading at somepoint?
Looks great. BTW, I like the way you lit it for the photo.
Quote from: Ray Dunakin on October 14, 2015, 06:40:52 PM
Looks great. BTW, I like the way you lit it for the photo.
Marty,
ditto in either case. According to the outer appearance: Are you going to add some more weathering to the inside planking? For my cornerish nitpicker taste it looks a bit to clean and to bright brownish.
Cheers,
Volker
Marty I like the way the inside looks , I also think the doors look great, what catches my eye though and it shouldn't is the top rail over the doors, there seems to be a piano key type rhythm to the weathering, and yes pretty much a nitpick, it just feels a linttle ;) incongruous with all the rest.
Michael
Thanks guys.
As far as the general weathering goes I am getting there...
I do not want to overdo the weathering so I am sneaking up on it.
The interior (IMO) is pretty close.
I am using a picture taken in 1938 of a 1890's car for reference which is my timeframe.
The bright LED light tends to make it brighter than it really is but I wanted to show it off.
I am not sure how I will light/expose it when finished as it looks good in person but not once exposed.
Hopefully some arts~fartsy moody shots?
Likely outdoors with a good lens and some adjusting it will be better than the cellphone "snappy".
The top track bothers me too Michael but I do appreciate the input.
I will get it.
I like to post as I go not just "one and done" so others can get motivated and I can get valuable insight.
I'm glad I have you guys watching over my shoulder!
-Marty
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Some hardware and I worked on the upper guide.
Marty
Wow, that is looking great!
Quote from: lab-dad on October 18, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
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Marty
Marty,
maybe you may omit the stains at the upper guide at all. At the lower one they result from grease and maybe rust because there are the wheels running on top of it, but there is no item like that on the upper one?
Cheers,
Volker
That lighting seems to give a more accurate impression of the finish. To my eye the hardware looks fine and you're getting very close to finished with that side. Adequate. -- Russ
Marty that looks so much better, great in fact, I am curious about the two different types of door. Will the opposite side have the same arrangement and was it built this way to accommodate different loads. The open type door for a live load and the closed type for dry goods?
Michael
Quotemaybe you may omit the stains at the upper guide at all. At the lower one they result from grease and maybe rust because there are the wheels running on top of it, but there is no item like that on the upper one?
Your right
Volker but I was thinking the rain running off the roof would deteriorate the paint some and cause some rust?
May be just a little more paint?
QuoteI am curious about the two different types of door.
Michael, thats why it is called a "combination car" - able to carry all types of loads.
I dont think I will have more than one boxcar so having one for all made sense.
I also just plain liked the combo car and the Carter Brothers were an interesting bunch!
Thanks for the critique guys, on to the other side!
-Marty
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Took some time and several failed attempts but the top layer of roof is on.
I'm looking forward to getting the roofwalk on and the brake wheel.
Marty
Nice coloring and weathering. Great job Martin.
Jerry
Agreed!
Ditto, and then some. -- Russ
Just looks great overall Marty
Michael
That's looking good, Marty!
Ditto, ditto, ditto!!! Looks great!..... Allan
Beautiful! That's going to be a real masterpiece when it's finished.
Thanks guys!
-Marty
In the south of the US these dual use cars were called watermelon cars because of the cooling provided by air moving through the car as it moved.
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Getting there!
Marty
Marty,
looks good to me. Especially the handrail with its different rusty and 'polished' areas. Is there another hadrail to come on the roof top? Looks like it was a bit difficult to climb the roof without it otherwise.
Cheers,
Volker
A wonderful model. I especially like the aging of the brake wheel. The entire project and the manner in which you documented the build have been great. Thank you. .....Allan
You are proceeding adequately. -- Russ
Quote from: Allan G on November 22, 2015, 08:57:05 AM
A wonderful model. I especially like the aging of the brake wheel. The entire project and the manner in which you documented the build have been great. Thank you. .....Allan
Aaaarrrggggh! The brake wheel was what I tried to point out, too ...
Volker
Hi Marty,
in the spirit I see the hobo in the doorway, just great.
Cool! Is the brake wheel a print?
Nice!
marty really nice.
on u tube once in a while i look a erics o gauge posts.plastic lionel etc one hand i like all the digital features but when compared to your effort it is all crap.
kind regards kim
Thanks guys!
Yes Volker there is another grab on the roof yet to be installed.
I think there should be another on below the last one closer to the ground.
i have no idea how one would get up there from the ground other than using the coupler as a step. As superintendent for my RR I may add one for safety's sake...
No Chuck the brakewheel is not a print. I am not there yet.
It's actually an Ozark part meant for D&RGS or such.
It is close but not exact. May be someday a correct Carter Bros. one will appear?..
I am glad you are enjoying my posts, asking questions and keeping me on point!
May be I should publish a PDF? :P ;D ;) :(
Almost finished, next ones should be the finished model.
-Marty
Marty, you gave Volker an "award" with his drafting table, and your boxcar gets an "A" for its B end:)
I am calling this one DONE; unless someone finds a disgusting error I can actually fix......
Four months? Hunh that was fast!
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Thanks for all the praise, critique and encouragement.
It sure was a fun project!
-Marty
Really good inside & out. Nice work, Marty.
Fantastic Marty!
That came out really nice Marty! Makes me want to make something for my loco to pull.
Stunning! Another masterpiece!
Not bad. -- Russ
Beautiful work Marty. The fourth pic is my favourite. I love the lock and the handles of the door.
Excellent work young Martin.
I guess the walls are next so you can keep it out of the rain!!! ::)
Jerry
Very well done Marty you must be pleased, I know I would be.
Michael
Great job Marty...I haven't chimed in on the forum in a while, my life has taken a turn for the busy, but this deserves a "well done!"
Paul
That is a beautiful piece of work, Marty. Best of all, I've learned a few things while following your progress. Thanks for that.
Bill Martinsen
Thanks guys!
Yes I am VERY happy.
I am glad someone learned something other than me! ;)
May be I should do a PDF?
-Mj
Marty, nice job on this project! I also enjoyed the sbs.
Gordon Birrell
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/
Wow! Looks great and the inside is ready for loading....Allan
Marty, looks great - a feast for the eyes. How did you do the padlock? Soldered together from individual parts, the strap is movable?
Thanks!
fspg2
The padlock is a casting from Ozark miniatures.
It comes "unlocked"
Marty
Marty,
what the others said :o. This is simply beautiful and you've proven your great craftsmanship and more than a creative vein at this model again.
But: Would it be me without any nitpicking? No. So what:
- You mentioned that there were two more handles to come. Is there one missing at the ladder's lower end yet? It seems a bit difficult to climb there.
- The coil springs look a bit too much distorted and - what seems more important to me - of wrong wire diameter. I feel it looks too thin. If you need them to be working and have chosen that diameter for this reason maybe you can pull some cable insulation over the wire or some kind of thin hose. But for sure you've chosen a prototypically appearance.
- To me the coloring of the bogy frames seems a bit too clean compared to the wheelsets. I think it lacks some unifying coloring at this spot.
Cheers,
Volker
Ah Volker I was beginning to think you had forgotten me! ;D
I did add the handles to the roof and mentioned I thought there should be ones lower to facilitate that first step! I agree and "may" add them even though they are not "prototypical" May be even a stirrup too!
The trucks needed to operate and finding suitable springs was very difficult.
The cable insulation is a very good idea, may be I will get ambitious and try it? 8 times?!
I think the bogies are about right but I appreciate the input.
Thank you for keeping an eye out for my errors!
-marty
Didn't Carter boxcars have a little step beneath the end sill on the ladder side? -- Russ
Quote from: lab-dad on December 07, 2015, 04:46:42 PM
Ah Volker I was beginning to think you had forgotten me! ;D
Marty - how could I?
Quote from: lab-dad on December 07, 2015, 04:46:42 PMI did add the handles to the roof and mentioned I thought there should be ones lower to facilitate that first step! I agree and "may" add them even though they are not "prototypical" May be even a stirrup too!
One could think they simply used the door to get to the handles, but this was rather difficult with a fully loaded car? Maybe they simply took the coupler and the wooden bar above as steps. If there aren't any steps at the prototype leave them away ...
Quote from: lab-dad on December 07, 2015, 04:46:42 PMThe trucks needed to operate and finding suitable springs was very difficult.
The cable insulation is a very good idea, may be I will get ambitious and try it? 8 times?!
Using detergent or petroleum jelly for lubrification and a hairdryer to warm everything up may help. Did you have a look at this provider: https://www.federnshop.com/en/ (https://www.federnshop.com/en/)?
Quote from: lab-dad on December 07, 2015, 04:46:42 PMI think the bogies are about right but I appreciate the input.
Thank you for keeping an eye out for my errors!
-marty
That's all I see. Errors. Errors. Errors. And some phantastic modeling around them ... ;)
Cheers,
Volker
Marty - If you can find some really small diameter heat shrink tubing you might give that a shot. Much easier to slip over the wire.
Bill Martinsen