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Title: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 22, 2014, 04:52:13 PM
To show that occasionally I get to finish things  :D
@ 1/75th - odd scale I know, but the scale I have chosen for my larger RC ships  ;), what I call my multi-media 'kits' - uses anything laying around that might fit be it wood/styrene/resin/brass/tin or whatever. Hulls are vac-formed then details added. Top three photos are from a commission build that severely tested my sanity. 

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Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 22, 2014, 05:26:04 PM
Holy carp, that is nice work!!
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Andi Little on November 22, 2014, 05:51:06 PM
Really lovely work there Roger ... I wanted to do something very similar a while back - but ran out of talent and ability whilst I sat there and thought about it.
Would like a few words as to how you went about this? - reference, plans or thinking - etc.

Once again - pretty damn brill'.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on November 23, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
Incroyable! Some of the finest boat models I've ever seen! -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: 5thwheel on November 23, 2014, 10:13:46 AM
I like them. Nicely detailed.  Tell me why/about the folding stacks. I have not seen that before. Lots of low bridges?
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 23, 2014, 04:37:07 PM
Cheers to all for the comments.
Bill - these are pre-WWI era battleship ships boats and the folding stacks were a prominent feature of the Soviet ships, there seems to be various theories for the folding stacks but most agree it helped reduce entanglement during raising and lowering and stowing.
Andi - you're a curious lot  :D . I'm more than sure you have the abilities to build these sorts of thing, as I say - if I can do it then anyone can  ;).
"Reference, plans or thinking - etc" this is where I strike lucky, I enjoy researching this type of thing and have amassed a quite large reference library and now enhanced with the miracle of the interweb  :o, plus I have a few very well placed contacts who help feed my appetite for info  :-*. So - even with all the reference material, good plans are still a fairly rare commodity and those available you have to pay with your first born child to get copies from some museums.

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Thinking - more like what the heck was I thinking doing this sort of thing  ;D. As mentioned the top three photos were for a commission build of a pre-WWI Soviet battleship, before I even start on the battleship hull I like to get the ships boats done first plus a few other prominent pieces - no real reason, just the way I do things. For that particular build there were 19 ships boats of various types from the Captains launch down to a jolly. Each type requires a different approach.
As an overview it breaks down:
a.  Plans, reference and 7P's
b.  Build buck for vac-forming, or individual planking for clinker types
c.  Vac-form base hull or plank entire hull for clinker types.
d.  Line out the hull interior and/or add decking
e.  Add minor details
f.  Place out of sight for 2+ weeks, then drag out and review faults etc
g.  Fix faults/shoddy work
h.  Final paint and polish
i.  Sit back and think 1 down just 18 more to go  :D

Sorry it's a bit abstract in format and wording - brains not really functioning too well lately (last 40+ years  :D).
Just give a yell if there's something more specific you want to know and I'll try and give a answer.

Cheers again to all for popping in for a nosey.       
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 24, 2014, 12:54:04 AM
Beatiful models Roger, think I would be satisfied just building one of those ...... Actually more than satisfied  :)

But to build that many , to that standard :o


Any chance of seeing the completed ship ?
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Chuck Doan on November 24, 2014, 11:12:04 AM
Wow! Beautiful work!
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 25, 2014, 06:27:59 AM
Quote from: Gordon Ferguson on November 24, 2014, 12:54:04 AMAny chance of seeing the completed ship ?

No  :D.
But here's a teaser  ;):

Even though it is an RC boat, it was built as per 'Builders Display Models' hence all the brass work and to 'test' the competition rules  :-X, unfortunately for the owner that aspect turned out to be a very expensive experiment  :-[. Can only find a handful of photos mostly of bits'n'pieces during the build but there should be some of it's first test launch somewhere.

Cheers for that Chuck, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: JohnTolcher on November 25, 2014, 07:15:23 AM
Hi Roger
Yes indeed, really beautiful work! Brilliant!

Cheers
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 25, 2014, 07:59:35 AM
Wow!!
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on November 25, 2014, 12:01:49 PM
Indeed. And again, guys, please remember Roger is a mediocre modeler and this would be a pretty elementary project for most of us.... -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: shropshire lad on November 25, 2014, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: finescalerr on November 25, 2014, 12:01:49 PM
Indeed. And again, guys, please remember Roger is a mediocre modeler and this would be a pretty elementary project for most of us.... -- Russ

That's right. , Russ . In fact , I am surprised you allow such mediocre modelling to see light of day on your superior and highfalutin modelling forum . Standards are certainly slipping these days .

    Most unsatisfactory .
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 25, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
 :D :D

Yay, I finally got a "Most unsatisfactory".
Guess I should collect my things and head to the corner till my skills improve  :-[.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: shropshire lad on November 25, 2014, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: turtle on November 25, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
:D :D

Yay, I finally got a "Most unsatisfactory".
Guess I should collect my things and head to the corner till my skills improve  :-[.


It is probably for the best if you do . However , make sure you only go to the "mediocre modellers " corner because I don't want you in the "quite good modellers" corner because  I'm rather fussy who I let join me there !
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Chuck Doan on November 25, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Roger, that is a gorgeous model! Please find those photos!
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 25, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
No Roger, don't head off to the "quite good Modelers corner" you will find that is just a theoretical corner which does not exist in reality ....... As none of us can remember seeing a finished model from Nick ( Shropshire Lad)  ;)
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: shropshire lad on November 25, 2014, 11:55:21 PM
Quote from: Gordon Ferguson on November 25, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
No Roger, don't head off to the "quite good Modelers corner" you will find that is just a theoretical corner which does not exist in reality ....... As none of us can remember seeing a finished model from Nick ( Shropshire Lad)  ;)

That's because you're old and your memory is not what it used to be .
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on November 26, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
Nick builds ship models from bricks. He's just a little different. I think his corner is in the fifth dimension. -- ssuR
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Marc988 on November 26, 2014, 11:59:02 AM
I say; you should post more pics of the ship as punishment !  ;D
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 26, 2014, 02:27:01 PM
Think I've found some more, however just off to the pond to do a flotation/ballast test for my personal RC boat build, so I'll either be back later happy and bouncy or wet and very dejected  :) :'(.
Cheers for the positive comments, just noticed an annoying fault/error (yep shoddy workmanship  :-[) in the photo but can't fix it since the boat now lives on the other side of the world  :(.
Seems all the corners are full-up  :),
Later.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 27, 2014, 01:03:57 AM
A little bit of brass tinkering, and there's NO CNC or CAD work here (for me CAD = cardboard assisted design  :D):

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and some messing about with bits of wood:

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and the boat deck nearing completion:

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and to finish off today's bit of mediocre hack'n'slash and slap some glue and paint around and hope for the best modelling  ;), the formal entrance:

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Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on November 27, 2014, 01:32:34 AM
Yes, mediocre indeed. But rather pleasantly mediocre. -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 27, 2014, 09:58:38 AM
Well if I had ever really started (Modelling) it's time to give up
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 27, 2014, 01:51:03 PM
That is insanely great work! I especially like the winches.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: 1-32 on November 27, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
hi roger
you should not be so hard on yourself.
if you think your modelling is nothing -not worthy i would like to see something that you really tried at.
regards kim
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: shropshire lad on November 27, 2014, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: 1-32 on November 27, 2014, 03:06:03 PM
hi roger
you should not be so hard on yourself.
if you think your modelling is nothing -not worthy i would like to see something that you really tried at.
regards kim

Don't worry , Kim , Roger knows he's good but he is just being modest because he doesn't want to upset us lesser mortals .

We , on the other hand , only give him guarded praise as we don't want him getting too big for his breeches !


  Nick
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 28, 2014, 12:39:06 AM
 ;) So true Nick  :D.

Quote from: Gordon Ferguson on November 27, 2014, 09:58:38 AMWell if I had ever really started (Modelling) it's time to give up

So far from the truth there Gordon (and all the other fantastic painters here), I'm always envious of the painting skills shown by the members here, in particular the weathering skills, hence the reason I also mess about with vehicles so that hopefully one day (before I get chucked on the barbecue  :D) I'll get half as good as those residing here. I doff my hat to you gents.
Anywho, a few more snippets of the 'lad in white' - Soviet/Russian ships are referred to by male gender i.e. he, and have corresponding male names - history lesson over  ;D:

A view of the 1:1 and the GA Plan of the pointy end - I believe some use the nautical term 'bow'  :-\

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anchor bay almost completed:

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second boat deck and formal entrance finished:

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and a view from the blunt end - sometimes called the 'stern'  :):

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Cheers to all for the comments and having a poke around.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on November 28, 2014, 12:49:10 AM
What a model. Almost as exciting as a gorgeous young woman. -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: mabloodhound on November 28, 2014, 06:04:19 AM
If it wasn't in the shiny white and with a little weathering and artful photography I would think I was looking at the real ship.
Just one fine job.

Did you mention the name of the ship....I didn't find it. ???
8)
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Hydrostat on November 28, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: mabloodhound on November 28, 2014, 06:04:19 AM
If it wasn't in the shiny white and with a little weathering and artful photography I would think I was looking at the real ship.

Yep. Absolutely astounding craftsmanship. I had to overcome my speechlessness before posting anything here :o. For sure this kind of modeling stands for its own, but it really would be interesting to see this come to life without the shiny brass and some coloring ...  If you say "no CAD or CNC involved", do you mean no milling involved at all?

Volker
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Peter_T1958 on November 28, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
I think almost all the contributions in that forum are encouraging, but this one leaves me close to desperation! Seriously: I can only echo the comments of the others -- truly stunning work! It deserves to be in a museum.

Quote from: mabloodhound on November 28, 2014, 06:04:19 AM
Did you mention the name of the ship....I didn't find it. ???
Seems to be the Russian Battleship "Tsesarevich"?!?

One question: Are the brass parts additionally brass coated after soldering?

Hats off!
Peter


Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Marc988 on November 28, 2014, 01:03:25 PM
What an amazing model  ::)

The pictures are a real treat, so keep them coming  ;D


One question; Did I understand it correctly that this highly detailed model is also RC ??
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: 1-32 on November 28, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
goodmorning.
i hope this file is not too big i will give it a go instead.
detail russian battleship-gangut,1911.
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regards kim
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 28, 2014, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: finescalerr on November 28, 2014, 12:49:10 AMWhat a model. Almost as exciting as a gorgeous young woman. -- Russ

:D I think someone needs to get out a bit more  :D

Volker - There is machining (lathe and mill) involved, however it is all done manually, i.e. the anchors will be roughed out on the mill then final shaping/finishing done by hand.

Peter - Congratulations, you are one of the few that uses the correct spelling  ;), yep it is the "Цесаревич" or "Tsesarevich" or "Crown Prince" pre-1903. Before it was painted 'Russian Green' and the masts were removed  :'(.
The exposed brass parts have been specially chemically treated to protect against oxidation (a treatment similar to anodizing).
And it now spends most of it's time in a Maritime Museum as can be seen in these photos kindly sent by it's owner:

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Marc - Yes you did read correctly - it is a fully functional RC boat  :D, when not sitting in its glass case it unbolts from the display pillars and a blanking bolt with O-rings inserted, creates a watertight seal. To get to the electronics and running gear it has a split waterline - hull separates from the decking at the waterline so that the rigging etc. doesn't have to be touched (apart from the formal entrance were the lower tier raises and clips to the hull. The design/build brief was to test/push the limits of the World Champs RC boat rules/regulations - achieved  :-X. 
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 28, 2014, 04:53:26 PM
Cheers for those Kim, I'll be honest and say I have no interest in the "Dreadnought" era ships, for me the "pre-Dreadnought" era was far more interesting (and challenging), (also referred to as the 'Victorian" era) with ships painted black and white or just white, for me these ships had character and not just slabs of grey steel  :(.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 28, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
What an incredible model of a really beautiful ship!

It's interesting how the sides of the ship taper inwards at the top. I don't think I've seen that before.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Hauk on November 28, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Ray Dunakin on November 28, 2014, 07:07:12 PM

It's interesting how the sides of the ship taper inwards at the top. I don't think I've seen that before.


It is a design that was taken up (and probably improved upon) by Norwegian shipbuilders in the late nineties:

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By the way, could anyone explain in detail the chemical treatment used on the exposed brass parts to protect against oxidation?
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on November 29, 2014, 01:34:36 AM
Ray and Hauk - these photos probably give a fairly good impression on the 'tumblehome' of these ships:

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"Цесаревич" is a French designed and built ship for the Imperial Navy so has the same Naval Architecture.
'Tumblehome' is the curvature from sea level to main deck level and for a period (1870's - late 1890's) was a prominent feature of the French ships, I'll have to have a hunt around for the reasonings for this design philosophy as I don't quite recall a the moment.

Hauk - Sorry, I can't answer your question  :-[, I just sent them off to Cawthron Institute (a technology development centre) for treating, I will try and get some information on the process and pass it on.

Regards to all.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: eTraxx on November 29, 2014, 04:07:49 AM
How interesting! Found the term on Wikipeida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblehome

France was predominantly strong in promoting the tumblehome design in their warships, advocating tumblehome reduced the weight of the upper deck, as well as making the vessels more seaworthy and creating greater freeboard.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Design-HSB on November 30, 2014, 11:34:35 PM
First of all is the finished many beautiful details.

But this case touch me 2 things uncomfortable and though.

1. The repeated reminder that everything has been prepared without CAD and CNC.
2. With the bare brass parts of the ship for me looks more like an operetta steamer and not as a warship.

to 1. I'm not even want me to learn old 3 D CAD and has a chance to anyone who wants and is not afraid of the effort.
to 2. I like to spend more realistic looking models and if I can not be distinguished from a photo model and reality, I love it.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: 1-32 on November 30, 2014, 11:55:06 PM
but looking at the design what a big target it must have been -hard to miss.
no wonder that naval design evolved to much smaller target area.
regards kim
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: marc_reusser on December 01, 2014, 10:29:15 PM
Wow, guys, I am so sorry I let roger into this forum.... He promised me in the registration email that he was a somewhat skilled an competent modeler...I had no idea that this was what he considers skilled and competent. Oh the Horror.   ;D :P


....well, back to the floor, where I fell out of my chair, after seeing the work in this thread. I need to find the proper superlatives.


Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on December 02, 2014, 12:09:16 AM
Oh, are you in town? You've made yourself even more scarce than Nick! -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: shropshire lad on December 02, 2014, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: finescalerr on December 02, 2014, 12:09:16 AM
Oh, are you in town? You've made yourself even more scarce than Nick! -- Russ

  At least I look in several times a day , even if I don't say anything .
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on December 02, 2014, 11:31:44 AM
Uh-oh. Now I'm developing the same paranoia I developed when people sing "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town"! -- Russ

[To anyone from a country where that Christmas carol is unknown, I'm sure Nick happily will sing you the words in your native language.]
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: marc_reusser on December 02, 2014, 08:17:15 PM
Sarcasm...so that's how we're going to play this!?

Not to make either of you fall to far off your high horses, but at least I can say that I am building stuff :D
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on December 03, 2014, 12:33:37 AM
I thought your last post (about sixteen or seventeen years ago) said you HAVEN'T been building anything and, instead, have been whipping around on your mountain bike and "working" (whatever that is). You also referred to something called "burnout". (I and a few others here are unfamiliar with that word.) Please explain the apparent reversal of your priorities. -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: marc_reusser on December 03, 2014, 03:41:25 AM
It's called "multi-tasking"..... though after seeing this ship build I may just go back and hide in the closet.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on December 03, 2014, 11:35:51 AM
No need. Save the closet for your unfinished models. Instead go stand in the corner. -- Russ
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on December 04, 2014, 05:48:07 PM
Cheers for the comments Marc.
Can I hear the rattle of sabres ?, or will it be pistols at dawn ?  :D.

While poking around in the ceiling space trying to find some RC electronics I found the partially finished 1/100th scale hull  :o (thought I'd binned it). Originally it was to be 1/100 but I wasn't sure I could get the detail required so managed to convince the owner to go to 1/75th  :), glad I did as I think I'd have struggled to get some areas looking satisfactory in 1/100. Anywho heres a few shots of the raw hull mid-planking. This would have been just a master mold for the F/G hull, enough blah blah:

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F001_zpsf72574e3.jpg&hash=f6dc5e9ad175177d105e4ff2984fbcad03e65286)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F002_zps10b7090c.jpg&hash=b1545323519352a12f59316eec4b593f781c6e41)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F003_zps46eda741.jpg&hash=4e52b6e9cefe13d5aefb1119e4eb2c7a54d2a226)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F004_zpsb92b7d97.jpg&hash=42362de2e145fe9159b099ae63f3ab8b6c7b82ab)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F005_zps7d101d52.jpg&hash=498f2923f8df0f2876790ebbccaa267416c4d34c)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F006_zps3fb70d7a.jpg&hash=2b5e1e4af1cb4f21cc597aa2c0ceb7591ce1d3fb)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F007_zps24160a74.jpg&hash=50b6dbd3bd6cc6d24c9f7e233133b714767f076a)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FTses%2F008_zps2b5261dc.jpg&hash=a427ae061a5ecee756bb9c6b24c992d1e829379d)
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: marc_reusser on December 04, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Crikey!...even the discards are works of art! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: shropshire lad on December 04, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
Quote from: marc_reusser on December 04, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Crikey!...even the discards are works of art! :'( :'( :'(


There speaks the master of discarded work .
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: marc_reusser on December 04, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Hence my deep knowledge of the subject. :P
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Andi Little on December 05, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
I am, as it turns out:  ...   Impressed.





By the way .............. I've got crap in my loft - but it don't look like that!
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on December 06, 2014, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: shropshire lad on December 04, 2014, 11:55:31 PMThere speaks the master of discarded work.

Think you might be a little bit shocked at the number of 'lost interest/fails' I get through  :D

Cheers Andy, I'm quite surprised the hull is still in fairly decent condition even after a couple of house moves. Might even have to consider finishing it and flogging off a few F/G hulls  :-\. But not just at the moment, best I put put it 'out of sight - out of mind'. 
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on December 19, 2014, 05:18:09 AM
Managed to find a few more WIP shots for "Цесаревич",
Anchor handling davit, couple of steam powered winches, a mast platform, and some props:

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB026_zps972ce5f9.jpg&hash=2b62e97311e7dcdb47940b767e04866e5c338219)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB027_zps17887692.jpg&hash=68b0f097771c7826e9ac3a63818049b0d5830145)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB028_zps2dfb1929.jpg&hash=6a46fe5cd50508177ecd14b80cd5f09154fb1c5e)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB029_zpsa0187b42.jpg&hash=41328b60da664ae1bcf7b5f9eab900f9fd338ba2)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB030_zps7da22ae8.jpg&hash=03db17accda9e370ec67ab7f18e2d5787cdbbfc6)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB031_zps63e78f15.jpg&hash=79d5418090d4880409e1262d8f4349d997dbb600)

more to follow as they resurface _ _ _ _
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: turtle on December 19, 2014, 05:26:44 AM
But back to ships boats  :D, finally managed to get this little bars ard darling boxed up and shipped off to it's new home, and yes the original had a polished metal funnel  ;):

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FSea%2FSB032_zpsc39647d5.jpg&hash=6123d8fd378d2f62282e26b7239e20f3ff2f74f0)
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Please feel free to point out any failings/shoddy workmanship etc. etc. - always good to see thing through anothers 'eyes'.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: finescalerr on December 19, 2014, 11:15:24 AM
Roger, the failings are too numerous to list. Please scrap the entire project (by sending it to me) and start again. I will be happy to supervise your work. -- ssuR
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Ray Dunakin on December 19, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
Exquisite work! Each one a gem!
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Design-HSB on December 19, 2014, 01:16:39 PM

Hi Roger,

very successful since it really is the polished metal parts in this steam-boats.
I kind of steam-boats here can already see the original in Germany.
For me it is always important, there is such a thing as truly original.

I would love to see more so true to the original models from you.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Bill Gill on January 09, 2015, 04:49:33 PM
Hello "Turtle", incredible models! I've sent you a personal message.
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Allan G on January 21, 2016, 01:12:38 PM
Not sure why it took me so long to check out Ships and Boats but all these threads are great. Some exquisite craftsmanship.....Allan
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: Barney on January 22, 2016, 02:17:44 PM
Incredible amazing stuff - A speechless Barney
Title: Re: Ships Boats
Post by: michael mott on March 20, 2016, 10:50:18 AM
QuoteWell if I had ever really started (Modelling) it's time to give up

Roger I like building boats and using brass so are you interested in taking on an apprentice?

I am not sure how I missed this thread before but am glad that I have now found it.  Roger what wood are you using it looks like either Castelo or Swiss pear?
Warships are not really one of my interests but your model work makes them look good.

Michael