Hi all,
First off, apologies to those that have seen this on another forum :(, just keep moving on - nothing to see here ;D.
This is my current WIP, and from the start I had decided to build using only the basic hand tools (plus mini-drill ;)) to show others starting out that you can build a semi-decent model without huge expenditure.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2FC655_zps94145353.jpg&hash=cb6a6016c1b10b3652de03b95a23ea933f300c35)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2FC656_zps5e6cd544.jpg&hash=df52217a6cc00b2e09b1c8e82bf025b27987aee5)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2FC657_zps2c0ea8b3.jpg&hash=5e7f34e5805ee4078851194fda252e6b3617f939)
For reference I'm using copies of the original blueprints plus parts manual plus various walk-around photo shoots.
Many of you will recognise it as the Trumpeter kit (which I'm too tight to buy :P), so aside from scale mine will be the 1937 farm version. And to those that think the Caterpillar Sixty-Five looks similar - well it is. The C-65 (or S-65 depending on translation book) is a modified licence produced copy of the Sixty-Five.
Let the hack'n'slash commence.
First area under knife is the upper and lower track frames:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F010_zps5fad27a9.jpg&hash=65d3a56add7965e87b57522e371f6941404e5a48)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F011_zpsbfe3067e.jpg&hash=1f44fcdb76c02af2c2ef890ebfa4b5f636fbc9b3)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F012_zpsf4347b01.jpg&hash=1818ce27d5158e779c0fb9768832620e0f146565)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F013_zps55c2f295.jpg&hash=abd28564b54a5805ee37e2612729376b141c98c3)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F014_zpse7ad8cd8.jpg&hash=1e7e80eccf7889f2c1ece824a68b02df41345250)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F015_zps692d49b1.jpg&hash=d6398a30e4f396fe984422c9b97ec9724b3db0a4)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F016_zps9799f91a.jpg&hash=4b4883530a7c3bd2f4a981201be2d66e7248c85c)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F017_zps2028e742.jpg&hash=64c593caeee19fc1b9d71f73076853b488d386c5)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F018_zps232bc965.jpg&hash=e3ed34276b3c97ccb17fea44d7e194b72abd9500)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F019_zps1314d039.jpg&hash=08d215ccec209d4fe71c2374782400e851e62b0b)
More to follow_ _ _ _
As per usual please feel free to point out any faults or areas that don't look right, much appreciated ;).
I'll be watching this build with great interest. I love working with styrene and I'm always looking for tips I can use to improve my techniques. BTW, it looks great so far.
Bill Martinsen
Very interesting project, I'm looking forward to watching it!
Cheers to all for having a looksie :)
Bill - probably not much to learn from me, I'm just your 'joe average' builder, plus it's mostly standard modelling on this project - laminating/wrappings/carving and a bit of turning.
Ray - cheers for looking in, so far this has been an enjoyable little project and continues to progress fairly well (just jinxed myself now :D).
This is also my kind of modelling (Ultra low tech') and I shall make myself comfortable whilst you astound me with your skills and fortitude.
However my first question is quite predictable in as much as "How have you got those nice "nut'n'bolt" hexagons?
Sorry to be so clichéd .............. Brilliant job - even at this early stage it's obviously so.
A question ... and I think your answer should be required reading for everyone here: How long did it take you to reach that stage? -- Russ
Quote from: turtle on November 14, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
First area under knife is the upper and lower track frames:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F010_zps5fad27a9.jpg&hash=65d3a56add7965e87b57522e371f6941404e5a48)
.... I really like your technique(s) and approach ... 8) ... was working the same way building my first scratch built diesel draisine, called #13 (http://www.de.feldbahnmodellbau.de/fahrzeuge-diesel-draisine-13/)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.de.feldbahnmodellbau.de%2Fwp-content%2Fgallery%2F01-02-diesel-draisine%2F01-02-0003-diesel-draisine-cimg4247.jpg&hash=a561591d7ab89d6f7219f502f53c76cc1f561021)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.de.feldbahnmodellbau.de%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2F01-02-0001-Diesel-Draisine-P1030491.jpg&hash=5c1fc800e61ae5728c3a33db127cc181ae9294d8)
... now I'm drawing first on easy to remove self adhesive paper (instead directly on the styrene) ... makes it IMHO easier to cut the styrene more accurate ...
What kinda glue do you use - CA? I'm assembling the styrene parts together using acetone ...
Cheers
Cheers all for having a nosey,
Andi - all the bolt heads and nuts are done with an ancient (almost 30 years old now :-[) Historex punch and die set, must admit makes life really easy, plus hex rod is difficult to get here in NZ >:(. And yep low-tech is the order of the day around this neck of the woods :D.
Russ - I had hoped no-one would ask that question :), mainly because I really don't keep track of 'hours' , however since you have asked I would estimate to get this far on those pieces it would be in the region of 10 - 15 hours total excluding pre-planning and measurement conversions.
Gerald - I don't actually draw on the styrene - I very lightly score with the knife, then a quick wipe with a moist finger tip shows up the scored line. Considering a pencil line is approx .5mm (.020"), that multiplied can drastically alter any essential key points, so for me all marking out is done by scribing and measured with vernier calipers.
And for glue, all styrene to styrene joints are Tamiya thin glue, all styrene laminating is a 50/50 mix of Tamiya thick and thin, and all other non-similar bonding is usually MEK. For me I simply do not trust CA bonds on styrene and the only time I use CA is as a hairline gap filler or fingerprint remover :)
Track frames aren't much use without track rollers so it was a case of "suck it up" and lots of repetition :o:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F028_zps99f4622d.jpg&hash=bb936dea1b02323c2b204fe32a3d782bdb38482a)
All parts are turned on my poor-man's lathe (clamped mini-drill running on set-down speed controller), would have been easier to use my actual lathe but as stated - using the low-tech methods.
I have to find the correct colour and pre-paint these before I can finish them - even the Russian forums are undecided as to it's correct colour >:(.
Just plodding along doing all the easy bits first :D.
Quote from: turtle on November 15, 2014, 04:42:57 PM
Track frames aren't much use without track rollers so it was a case of "suck it up" and lots of repetition :o:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F028_zps99f4622d.jpg&hash=bb936dea1b02323c2b204fe32a3d782bdb38482a)
All parts are turned on my poor-man's lathe (clamped mini-drill running on set-down speed controller), would have been easier to use my actual lathe but as stated - using the low-tech methods.
I have to find the correct colour and pre-paint these before I can finish them - even the Russian forums are undecided as to it's correct colour >:(.
Just plodding along doing all the easy bits first :D.
Great work!
Would love to see a couple of images of the turning setup.
Hauk, as I feel sort of responsible for giving Roger all this work feel. I had better contribute some thing .........his "poor man" turning setup
Very nice poor man's lathe. Did you make that from an electric hand drill and styrene? -- ssuR
Time to hack up some styrene for the main chassis :-\:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F001_zpsec1351fe.jpg&hash=4843faecb9a5bfc9765b164510ca0c31d8eca0be)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F002_zps76141517.jpg&hash=12c74aafa3804239ee69f0caf3ccd60b807a5f49)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F003_zpsa95ac766.jpg&hash=6351aa58969993f0250033aee1b0a099e884eea3)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F004_zpsf467a4fe.jpg&hash=841a1dfa7b033157ec5f8a0e07c7dd78bcd17a4e)
and some work on the transmission housing:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F005_zps4236a79d.jpg&hash=030ffb35082a382e1b80bd334e6e792fd5641af3)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F007_zps3cb4946d.jpg&hash=2096d716fcad01fb23a6181a3c0432ed9c2fc7eb)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F008_zpsbf6ee066.jpg&hash=b72575ba60068c3516dbf7df5c02e5512b62a314)
still a few dozen bolts etc to add plus various other details - eventually :-[.
As always please feel free to point out any faults or shoddy work ;)
Ok Roger, 2 complaints
First where did the big lathe go , it's a beauty.
Second, both Andrew and I have previously pointed out that this work is just too shabby, it should be abandoned and all the bits sent to us ......... We can wait till you have had crack at the tracks and associated bits :D
Looks great to me!
Gordon - be careful for what you wish ;), Santa might bring a late Chrissy present :). At least that saves me the hassle of painting :D.
and cheers Ray.
Thought I'd better slop some glue around and see what happens:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F021_zps1222bd3f.jpg&hash=7ae59126aac1bfe655b751d6cbb3518ec6e1e3a2)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F023_zps695a2320.jpg&hash=81513961b11f5b5ce13ad8a0cf8f924f9a4d4d85)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F024_zps032ef95c.jpg&hash=3ca72ee368355737b8c02a956682504afa439069)
and it's time to start on the part I'm dreading - the engine ::). Quite a bit of time spent breaking it down to it's simplest form and into sub-assemblies, so with the engine divided into 60 sub-assemblies off I embark on what will no doubt cause massive hair loss and sleepless nights ;D:
first off the 1:1
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F029_zps18286913.jpg&hash=02a9f9cb725d07f7d654140d4713a8b5618fa5a0)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F030_zps0c563b00.jpg&hash=71fa2217662dd342263ec0817ce86bf557b7f7d1)
and my simplified start :-\:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FC-65%2F031_zps8ea1a6cf.jpg&hash=4a19d8128dea3ebff5c4565274e5139bf38a6492)
If anyones looking for me, I'll be the one sitting in a corner quietly talking to myself and wearing a 'special' jacket that ties at the back :D.
Basic model building, I love it!!!
Great work so far, I will continue to follow your build with interest.
A couple of questions/observations.
At the start you say that this is a knockoff of the Caterpillar so I assume they followed the same painting colors as Cat used, is this a correct assumption?
From June 1925 until December 1931 Caterpillar painted all their tractors Gray (actually a gray/green color, more info available if you need it) In January 1932 they changed to "Hi-Way Yellow" with black lettering and used that until June 1979.
During the research to build my Cat 60's I found several "restored" examples that were painted in a similar "Industrial gray" color as in the restored example you posted a picture of above. I soon learned that most of these were just painted an "available" Gray color with no thought to actually researching to find the true color shade.
But like I said this information is about Caterpillar, the prototype your building from could have been purple for all I know :)
Great project
Rick
Hi Rick,
the Soviets licence produced (with modifications) both the Cat 60 and 65's, as to the correct factory colour - I seem to have created a rather heated debate on a Russian modelling forum :-[ as to what the original colour was, so far the general consensus agrees that it differed from the Cat Gray in that it was a pale gray/blue. However to make life difficult a few colour photos have shown up with them painted in the red/crimson as trialled by Cat ???, and there a few few photos showing a very dark gray (even darker than the Cat gray). So I'll just wait till the heat dies off on the other forum, they are getting technical which my basic Russian isn't quite up to :), and see if they reached a conclusion.
Somewhere amongst all my junk I have an actual Cat gray colour chip from the Caterpillar Experience Museum here in New Zealand - all their stuff has been restored to exact Cat specs ;).
Cheers for looking in and the input.
Please please please continue with this fantastic model it's a bit of a mind blower - but and as always there is always a but (as Gordon F knows) don't let the rivet counters and in this case " the paint chip" brigade start poking the hornets nest - as we all know with exception of the "paint chippers" paint and colours do all manor of things when age sets in even in its first hours from new plus many other factors that can effect the actual colour plus the fact a paint chip/ sample is 1 to 1 and a model is a miniature ! Well that's my view on the subject so just paint it the colour you want it
Barney
Don't start them off just wind them up !
A can of Barney Green/Grey - always available (yes winding you up)
Les
You have heard of rivet counters? I am a PAINT CHIP counter. Proceed at your own risk; I am ruthless. Ask my mom!
On second thought, don't.
ssuR
Hi Roger
Marvellous work so far, an education and inspiration!
Cheers
Russ
your mom always liked you best ::)
MPH
Actually, Gil, she always like YOU best! -- ssuR
Cheers all for having a poke around.
Think I'll just prime it and leave the paint dilemma to Gordon :D.
Just rebuilding a few pieces I wasn't too happy with, plus messing around seeing what this Mr Surfacer is good for - had the stuff sitting in my paint box for about 5 years :o so "waste not".
I'm far from the quickest builder and tend to just plod along so apologies if it slows down for a while :-[.
If you insist on continuing to post this level of work here.....well, I wont know what to say. :D
Quote from: marc_reusser on December 01, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
If you insist on continuing to post this level of work here.....well, I wont know what to say. :D
You could always say ..."here's one I made earlier " . To quote the legendary BBC children's programme Blue Peter .
Quote from: marc_reusser on December 01, 2014, 11:34:00 PMIf you insist on continuing to post this level of work here.....well, I wont know what to say. :D
Cheers Marc, well I think I'll save you having to say anything for a while, due to various reasons I've decided to cease modelling for an undefined time period :(.
Many thanks to all members for the encouraging words on my various builds, always appreciated particularly considering the very small NZ population we often get the feeling of being "outside the circle".
I'll be dropping in periodically to see what everyone's up to and maybe poke a stick at those with 'stalled' projects (pot, kettle, black :)).
Hope everyone's projects continue as planned and the glue sticks in the right places.
Regards to all.
Roger, that's not particularly good news. I've been away from the bench for about two years so I understand how all of us may to come and go. Still, if I or any of us can encourage you to return to modeling even a day earlier, everyone here will be pleased. -- Russ
Sorry to hear that. Your models are inspiring.
hi all
just a thought in passing.
i hope roger has copy right over his work some of it looks like it has come from other sources.he is a model engineer all model engineers i have known have gone and gone about there processes to the point that it has become distracting.with roger nothing.
regards kim
Hi all,
Just updating to show I'm not dead (yet) :D .
After a lot of thought I finally worked out where I had messed up on the build and why things weren't lining up as planned. The cause being a Very simple and stupid mistake on my behalf.
So after leaving it sitting on the bench (mocking me) I decided the best and easiest solution was to bin it (yep it's in the recycling bin) and start something else and maybe one day revisit/retry this project.
So to those that looked in and offered advice/encouragement my sincere thanks.
On the plus side, well after using a can of WD-40 and oxy-acet torch to open the wallet - after all the years I've been modelling I can now officially state I have a "stash" now:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FMisc%2FStash1_zps3pzne30j.jpg&hash=5f958c58ec60c95b6f8661d1146ce5478df9d936)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FMisc%2FStash2_zpsvlj0wj4l.jpg&hash=1c11e5b8e4bc0dc71ebf2f4c76809267edfc09a4)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FMisc%2FStash3_zpse5wgwkcy.jpg&hash=7f7b9a04d4ef889baf14cedc2230eff6c01513ad)
just need to work out what to start first. A few are going to be quick no-nonsense builds and used as painting practise dummies - I'm really out of practise in that area.
Maybe one day soon I might even be able to post some 'finished' projects :D :D
Cheers for looking in, and hope all your projects are going well.
Them be some very cool kits. Build one! -- Russ
Sorry to hear about the tractor. There's some nice kits there Roger! Now you have a bigger stash than me, I can count on one hand the kits I have. When I break the piggy bank it's usually paint or tools, or a book or magazine etc etc ;D
Cheers
John
Mr Turtle - Have a rest and enjoy ! I know the feeling well - Having just spent the last 3 weeks making "Trumpers Mill" bigger -laying track and a bit of scenery for a small local show I just "Burnt myself out" so the mills destiny was decided the "big bin" a skip parked outside the exhibition room But it was reprieved at Sunset by a fellow modeller !
And to top it all the exhibition totally depressed me and I now mutter to myself. Standards at some of these shows never seem to go forward just stay static.
Still never mind all my moans - Think ahead our Roger and return in the future refreshed and inspire us with your outstanding skills
A very down and depressed
Barney
and onward with my tractor !!
Quote from: turtle on June 28, 2015, 02:26:15 AM
...after using a can of WD-40 and oxy-acet torch to open the wallet...
Ok, that just cracked me up!