Hi all,
First off, been lurking in the background as an unregistered viewer for some time now but have been bullied into joining (thanks Gordon F ;D), so here I am.
Second, in the words of Bill & Ted kneeling before Alice Cooper "I'm not worthy", I'm somewhat embarrassed to show my feeble attempts at modelling :-[.
My main interest used to be de-mobbed military vehicles @ 24th/25th scale, so when I saw a Bedford QL just out of Hamilton NZ it just had to become a 'project', so here goes (please note this was back in 1998/1999 :D):
A couple of shots of the 1:1
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL001_zpsa63d4619.jpg&hash=fdccd025b0230a8f069b193b4217f0d0f1e2f1d7)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL002_zps5952c404.jpg&hash=ef54d5d9554c3df00d40cddf8d46f7c119eebdc5)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL003_zps9572bf60.jpg&hash=a8b3efd6e5f495edb958e4b7de740c97aa461c19)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL004_zps1aeaa6f2.jpg&hash=a19e231e378b78e0a91be6f0af32d1b0f205b50f)
found some plans in a book "Bedford, To Berlin and Beyond" so off I went with the hack'n'slash:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL009_zps14762a0d.jpg&hash=c2281cf6bb3c7b9fa40df0f54ffd924a3794d536)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL010_zps66af9cea.jpg&hash=333001e6e6ba5d2c8a1f344ab68e2a89626ff4ca)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL011_zps9aa76b54.jpg&hash=1dfd570d0176e8c8001bd7e50a1dc2187c63ae0c)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL012_zpsacb669d7.jpg&hash=ef569a5b0b2ff5a2ad405a51b8207e57f036bb91)
Feel free to point out any faults, comments good/bad or indifferent gratefully accepted.
More to follow if thought worthwhile ;D.
Cheers for having me here.
looks good just keep moving forward i will love to see the finished product
regards kim
Cheers Kim.
Had forgotten most of you guys won't know what a Bedford QL is ???, so:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL005_zps00373b97.jpg&hash=6d8a0e0586606fc416513e578e78aa36047662c0)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL006_zps3a3ef465.jpg&hash=1fb4c80a122eec33aab58830b8b4457f55342051)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL007_zps32cb092d.jpg&hash=93ca5413e59ae2d7855043d531e1a6cd4cec23f8)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL008_zpseec3b3aa.jpg&hash=792f836e20ccaf5d836d1ecb5beea6c08229df3c)
Also I should mention that this was built then given away for someone else to paint :o, I'm a builder not a painter ::), however things are slowly improving on the painting aspect.
A few more chassis and tyre shots, all the tyres (tires) are scratchbuilt (3 different tread patterns ::)):
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL013_zps3feda3df.jpg&hash=c7c7b3991e8185833d4f87fdf8426dfffeebb3e9)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL014_zpsc8636c78.jpg&hash=64f10eb5daabad0cdf3a0852d2fea39f07ce45df)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL015_zps4b8262b2.jpg&hash=3bca52dcaaac056fa6cabb1b1e6f95d97e0f0398)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL016_zps085034ca.jpg&hash=8669432468702cec5d1b3a7095cd6436bd38e0ec)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL017_zps50413088.jpg&hash=2a01614f201de3b6a71ceae8cb1c864b0ab57e9a)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL018_zps6fd957c6.jpg&hash=2b0eea59094d6d4d8cfc9e37444fe0e360889fd6)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL020_zpse3a79fac.jpg&hash=9668a21c6c69f2b1e5dd5a9f3f35da65397f66fc)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL021_zps6d977162.jpg&hash=e10d21af68a82e10f1694c5209865817943af1c5)
At some stage in the near future I plan to build another one so your critique would be appreciated on where I could improve/alter.
Many thanks.
It's really pretty hideous so far -- but let's see how things develop. -- Russ
First off, welcome aboard! Secondly, wow! Great modeling!
How did you scratch-build the tires?
A scratch built low tire no less?...... awesome work!
Philip
Excellent work! Looking forward to more.
Hello all,
Many thanks for the welcome and comments.
Ray - the tyres (tires) are built by the simple method of various thickness disks glued together, then turned down to size and shape, a pattern is marked out on 0.13mm (.005") sheet and the treads laid onto that, once done this piece is then rolled around and glues to the 'buck' and sidewall detail added. Pretty basic stuff - if I can do it then anyone can do it ;D. I have photos of the process if you wish to see them !.
Anywho, heres the next basic bit of fabrication, the cab, built using all the available technology of the time - vac-forming and good old fashioned modelling methods :D:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL022_zpsf2978e59.jpg&hash=5a401464635be8a7f7c215ffc3b6eb200e1b7e50)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL023_zps17ce0e01.jpg&hash=9b2893816434ff2d36a68496b96ec85fbf6445c7)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL024_zpsee19125b.jpg&hash=ff193c4adfc779de9beed6d84164ab49f512ef62)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL025_zps60370374.jpg&hash=4267debbc9ec5fc131bbb382f3d6487c498fe1c9)
Cheers for looking in.
Continuation....
and a few shots of the cab and chassis mockup:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL028_zpsd0854ac1.jpg&hash=c5f4d9fa5d6a8e629f09bd359b009fd27e3b2851)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL029_zps84e8413b.jpg&hash=4d4400b6e0b503e02c0ccbeca6857b1ca3c06155)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL030_zps5cae3883.jpg&hash=d1fb10e1a29c147735224e12f1e9a4865b4d57f4)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL031_zps5464d21b.jpg&hash=e04b66a464a51c15523c4e9fa79060cac2dab003)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FQL%2FQL032_zps9d8dac73.jpg&hash=ad0cbe85f492b33fa4b69ae2ebb0cb6f70affdd2)
As always, comments good/bad or indifferent appreciated, for me it's the best way of casting a critical eye on my modelling attempts.
Thanks
Please show your technique for making the tyres (tires).
Carlo
Amazing work!
Yes, please show some pics of the "tyre" construction.
For Carlos and Ray and anyone else that's interested,
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep1_zps28960202.jpg&hash=ae6a346f5b621df509d61084f55da6c500e452f3)
First off cut as many disks as needed, cut slightly oversize to allow for turning down, I use various thicknesses to suit each tyre.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep2_zpsb66d9010.jpg&hash=c6b07f96259c4b0aef55bfd100c453cc06de3071)
Throw some glue at them to laminate to the required thickness, the different coloured marker on them is my 'cheat' method of depth gauging when turning down - i.e. when I reach a red disk it's time to stop and turn down the next inner diameter etc.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep3_zps2b1b3e26.jpg&hash=afabc940f1df06c50e310e57163e0a143d1e2264)
The poor man's lathe ;D, only use this method if you have a suitable speed controller, I normally have a card template of the side profile I want, that way both sides end up the same.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep4_zpsf5963c16.jpg&hash=20e00a8d623e20ee029e5487bb3d5458bfbb2cc5)
The tread pattern. A bit of math involved here i.e. circumference divided by number of treads etc. Mark these out on 0.13mm (.005") sheet (very lightly scribed), then start glueing the tread blocks.
For slightly more intricate treads I'll printout the tread and tack glue or double sided tape it to the tread thickness backing sheet and cut these out
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep4a_zps8ae265f8.jpg&hash=907ffba010e4868613f2c24228060869f5936ac2)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep4b_zpsb5be3601.jpg&hash=d2d98e2e94d00a16c374c730741e924332fd6392)
A lightbox is handy when glueing to the thin backing sheet
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep4d_zps19edc2f3.jpg&hash=9c2b99e797e6fb989faa2c4faddf64684c01d2a3)
Once everything is glued down, it's then just a matter of carefully wrapping the tread around the tyre blank and glueing, later the sidewall tread (if it has some) and details can be added.
Sorry can't seem to locate the photo's of the later stages but I'm sure modellers of your calibre can easily work it out.
And at the end we should have something like:
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep5_zps03d890c3.jpg&hash=372931cb9ecc271c046da5cf8bdcd4e208fedf6b)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1075.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw426%2Fturtlesturmoil%2FLand%2FTyres%2FStep6_zpsf41b428e.jpg&hash=33868bcf1b72b00f3d9d9b8eaf85eb8b82709617)
I've used this method since the mid 80's and in scales ranging from 1/76th to 1/16th. Like all modelling methods/techniques it's just a case of adapting to suit your style and tools.
HTH.
Thanks, that's very helpful! Great stuff!
I've only seen paper modelers build up tires in that way. Sometimes they use laser cut treads and I'm sure that saves a lot of time. I just love watching something of that quality come together piece by piece. -- Russ
Great thread.
Great modeling.
Great technique.
Very impressive.
-Marty
Must admit - this really is all rather terribly good.
Very well done ... I mean seriously - VERY WELL DONE!
Hi Roger,
you show here what is possible with love to detail and accurate work.
I actually like no military vehicles, your work must acknowledge, however.
Especially since I grew up as a child in the British zone of occupation in Germany and the vehicles have experienced yet live.
Spectacular work, Roger!
Torn between possibilities of 3d modelling and traditional craftsmanship it is good to see what you are doing here and I feel strengthened in going back on my workbench with my old-fashioned fret saw full of styrene dust ...
Thanks to your amazing work I feel top motivated to continue my own work with renewed vigour, thanks!
Peter
Hi Roger,
that's somewhat extraordinary ... very convincing results. A lot of work involved. How often did you have to restart a tread pattern because of a wrong cut?
Volker
Hi Roger, good to see you here ....... Thought your stuff might go down well.
Even though I have seen the tyre stuff before it still leaves me speechless, might be easy and simple for you but you may need to give a few of us time to catch up.
How about posting a few snapshots of your completed builds just to appreciate the range of your work
Spectacular modeling!
Thanks for sharing!
Amazing tutorial & results!
Many thanks to all for the comments and encouraging words.
Helmut - Although I am ex-military, like you I have little interest in actual 'green' vehicles, preferring instead to model them in their second life with their often quite bright colour schemes. It is the vehicle not it's
former intended use that appeals to me.
Peter - I'm just an old-school traditional modeller, you definitely will not find any 3D modelled parts in my stuff ;), for me the KISS principle is the law here ;D.
Volker - It's a fairly rare occasion when I mess up while doing the treads, as with most modelling methods/techniques the 7P's apply:
Prior Planning and Preparation Prevents P**s Poor Performance ;)
But approximately 1 out of ten will be 'shown the inside of a rubbish bin' :(
This is just one of those areas where you have to slow down and check and recheck before committing plastic to knife.
Gordon - :D All in good time. Just thought I'd dip my toes in the water first before diving in ;)
Thanks again to all, but please feel free to point out any areas that need additional work :)
Welcome - this is very nice stuff in fact very very nice - is it all scratch built or is part kit bits - just keep it coming along with inspiration
Barney
Hi Roger! Told you your work would be appreciated here! Glad to hear you are practicing your painting, it would be nice to see a finished model ;D
You know how much I love your work so this may be sacrilege (!) but the tyres on the QL have always seemed to me to have a very straight sidewall, whereas those on the photo of the 1:1 seem more curved/ballooned to the point that the treads running down the sidewall are themselves curved. This may be due to the deflation but I'm not sure?
I will now crawl back under my rock ;D
Cheers Barney, still a long long way to go before I reach the dizzy heights of your achievements ;D. And 100% scratchbuilt - I'm a real glutton for punishment ;).
Andrew - valid points and notes taken. A couple of the tyres could have had a bit more curvature, unfortunately the model photos don't really show the amount they truly had - well that's my excuse and I'll stick with it :D, however as said, points taken onboard and as the teachers always said "must try harder" :-[.
::) I'd love to see a finished model very soon to :D, maybe with the S-65 crawler :-*.
apart from your great modeling i like your photoes lovely velvet, hi definition .
what is your tecknique
regards kim
Hi Kim,
I'm probably the last one to ask about photography - point and shoot is my technique :D.
Camera is a cheap Konica Minolta DiMAGE Z20, tripod mounted with a card background and a couple of soft daylight bulbs lights overhead. Camera settings are left on A(auto) and white balance set to suit the light bulbs and when appropriate I'll push the Macro button. Almost all photos are taken at night.
Depth of field and all the other photographic terms are beyond my intelligence level so I stick with the KISS principle.
you do very well do you have a special lens, auto focus?
regards
:D
No special lens or other fancy equipment, I do use manual focus and move the lights around a bit to reduce shadows and such.
Must admit that lately I've started using Adobe Photoshop just to rebalance some pictures but usually limit it to colour correction, reduce shadow and lighten/darken as required. All the other functions I'll leave for the more computer literate people to play with, I have enough troubles finding the files I want to work with :D.
however you do it i works very well
regards kim