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Title: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: lab-dad on September 01, 2014, 10:25:18 AM
I am puttering along on the 1/16th Shay.
Once I accomplish something worth sharing I will do so.

In the mean time I need to create the artwork for the steam gauge face.
It needs to be 5/16" or 8mm (5/16 is preferred).
Searching the 'net provided no good images.
I also know printing it out on my home printer is not good enough.
I was thinking of printing a photograph scaled to the right size to keep the quality up.
I hate to buy a set of decals for one gauge

Any suggestions, ideas or a good image and how to use it?

-Marty
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: 5thwheel on September 01, 2014, 11:49:52 AM
Marty, I have had good luck with drawing the item several times oversize and then reducing it to scale on my printer.  Print on low gloss photo paper.
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Barney on September 01, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
Try the Gn15 Tome -issue 6 - May 2007      http://tome.gn15.info/06_May_07.pdf
lots of nice gauge faces
Barney
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: lab-dad on September 01, 2014, 04:40:07 PM
Barney,
Thanks! Those are great
But unfotunately they look like crap when i print them.
I even tried at 50%...?
Marty
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Terry Harper on September 01, 2014, 05:11:45 PM
Hello Marty,

I am a lurker and have been following your Shay project with great interest. A couple of years ago I etched a full size gauge face for a Lombard Log Hauler. This was an exact copy of an original. Other than the Lombard text this is a typical Ashcroft locomotive etc. gauge face and measure 6-13/16" O.D. I created the artwork in AutoCAD. It would be very easy for me to modify it to be a "generic" gauge face and scale it to meet your needs if you think it would work for you.

If your interested I can send you a PDF or JPEG.

Best regards,

Terry

Here is the finished etched gauge face:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6ZChKgijrQ8/Tx3JgkybI9I/AAAAAAAAAkc/ar8IfISBufU/s800/img142.jpg)
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Terry Harper on September 01, 2014, 07:38:20 PM
And..... here is the art work cleaned-up so its a generic locomotive gauge face.

The original I had to go-by was un-finished brass but I have seen quite a few that were silvered brass (like a clock face) with black letters. Based on the size of the original plate scaling it to 1/16 would make it about 7/16" O.D. That little bit of increased size might help with the printing.

I hope this helps!

Best regards,

Terry

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3zl9c3myk8M/VAUtD2iGZwI/AAAAAAAACWc/7-GiWsoIJes/s800/Art.jpg)
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Ray Dunakin on September 01, 2014, 08:53:58 PM
Marty, what resolution is the image you're using? What kind of resolution can you print at?

When I have to print out a very small, detailed image, I make a copy of the original image and reduce it so that it retains the highest possible resolution. (This takes some fiddling with the options.) Then I print as if I were making a photographic-style print, with the printer set for "best quality".

Of course there are still limits to how well a cheap printer such as mine can reproduce something very tiny.
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: lab-dad on September 02, 2014, 04:52:01 AM
TERRY!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS GREAT!

I was initially thinking you did the gauge in scale (not 1:1)
I guess I need to mess with my printer instructions....

Mr. Potato Head is working on a decal for me so may be this will work for him, and save him some trouble!

Thanks a lot!

-Marty
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Terry Harper on September 02, 2014, 06:04:29 AM
No problem Marty,

If you go the decal route you could also do a real silvered face if your gauge body is brass. Its a simple process that involves rubbing on a solution which leaves a microscopic layer of electroplated silver.

http://www.jaxchemicals.com/jaxshop/shopexd.asp?id=76 (http://www.jaxchemicals.com/jaxshop/shopexd.asp?id=76)

Here is a motometer face I etched and silvered a while back.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4e6W4r91bC4/T_zjnkci-8I/AAAAAAAAA_A/FnTtmmb-G5Q/s1152/100_4190.JPG)
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Barney on September 02, 2014, 06:50:07 AM
Bin your printer - something wrong - I only have a Cannon Pixma iP4700 printer and reducing the size of the large face to 5mm across is still readable !
Barney
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: finescalerr on September 02, 2014, 12:33:17 PM
The printer is only half of the equation. The other half is the paper. In some cases ink also is a factor (like with decals). -- Russ
Title: Re: 5/16" or 8mm O.D. Steam gauge face?
Post by: Mr Potato Head on September 02, 2014, 02:54:31 PM
I can print them, as far as the black type and white face that's easy, for the brass face I can lay down gold first then print black, but I think it would work better if the decal was clear and put over a brass disk, oh well he'll have to play with it, it's the details he's good at
MPH