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Title: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: NORCALLOGGER on April 20, 2014, 08:34:02 PM
Hi all I saw this in Oregon the other day and snapped a couple pictures.
Can someone tell me if this is a conversion from a military vehicle or a
purpose built machine.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreightsheds.largescalecentral.com%2Fusers%2Frick_marty%2F_forumfiles%2Fmiscpicts%2Ftank1.jpg&hash=f5b00628044cab91badbb3f5e7d0a876db450d68)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreightsheds.largescalecentral.com%2Fusers%2Frick_marty%2F_forumfiles%2Fmiscpicts%2Ftank2.jpg&hash=e7b30208d61ff52a47ac9d869a119459ba846068)

Either way I thought it was an interesting machine.  The place was closed so I couldn't ask any questions, maybe next time.
Thanks.
Rick
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 20, 2014, 11:33:44 PM
Rick, the bottom half looks to me as it came from Sherman tank, model with the HSSV suspension?
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: shropshire lad on April 21, 2014, 12:48:48 AM
Pedant's Corner ( My favourite of all the corner that I frequent! ) .

  Gordon ,

  Do you mean HVSS suspension ?


   Nick
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Design-HSB on April 21, 2014, 02:22:05 AM
I think that's einTractor bulldozer embarrassed to pipeline.
Since, however, lacks the self-supporting floor pan from the tank, I think only the chain drives and drive shafts were used by tanks.
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Lawton Maner on April 21, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
After WWII many industries recycled tanks and other vehicles for other uses.  Timber Times had a series of articles and models based on Sherman Tanks used for everything from bulldozers to skidders. When I get home, I'll look it up and tell you which issues the articles are in. The original article was in issue # 17 an a model of a Sherman Tank made into a Skidder appeared in issue #52.
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 21, 2014, 07:40:58 AM
Quote from: shropshire lad on April 21, 2014, 12:48:48 AM
Pedant's Corner ( My favourite of all the corner that I frequent! ) .

  Gordon ,

  Do you mean HVSS suspension ?


   Nick

HVSS.    HSSV.     What ever?      You really do need to get out of that corner more often  ;)
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: eTraxx on April 21, 2014, 01:15:01 PM
HVSS - Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthe.shadock.free.fr%2Fsherman_minutia%2Fsuspension%2Fsherman_bogie_hvss1.JPG&hash=1ee7b25d954c5a8526cd5b96141aceb0b2f81e80)

http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/suspension/hvss_suspension.html

The M4A3 was the first to be factory-produced with horizontal volute spring suspension
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 21, 2014, 02:19:37 PM
Ed, no doubt that will keep Nick happy for hours
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: eTraxx on April 21, 2014, 03:05:38 PM
Seriously ... every time I am in the hobby shop I catch myself eyeballing the 1:48 armor kits .. and thinking .. a nice copy of that machine rusting silently in the weeds .. cool! :)
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 21, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
As someone who knows virtually nothing about armored vehicles, I wonder why the tracks (including wheels, suspension, etc) are so different from tracked civilian vehicles such as tractors and bulldozers?

Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: shropshire lad on April 21, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Gordon Ferguson on April 21, 2014, 02:19:37 PM
Ed, no doubt that will keep Nick happy for hours


No need to get all bitter and twisted about it !
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: eTraxx on April 22, 2014, 03:58:29 AM
Quote from: Ray Dunakin on April 21, 2014, 08:22:12 PM
As someone who knows virtually nothing about armored vehicles, I wonder why the tracks (including wheels, suspension, etc) are so different from tracked civilian vehicles such as tractors and bulldozers?


A bulldozer moves relatively slowly, has to move through very rough terrain such as rock without the track coming off. A tank - at least a modern tank has to be able to move fast and keep from turning the crew into jelly while doing that! An Abrams tank has problems in rough, rocky terrain and can throw track pretty easily if you try turning in that rock. It's really a form of evolution - divergence started prior to WWII probably.
Title: Re: Re-Build or purpose built?
Post by: Lawton Maner on April 22, 2014, 12:58:54 PM
For those among us with a pocket of change to spare, check out this auction.  It includes several items which will make NRA members wet themselves.

http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140228-your-own-private-arsenal