Back on my road roller kick, started this one couple of years ago....... Mind you all I actually did was build a master for one the rear wheels and one half of the front roller. So in response to my unspoken vow to complete a few of my unfinished builds I dug the bits out Jan 1st and got stuck in.
No plan, but some basic measurements are available along with a number of photos and manufacturer's leaflets
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The manufacturer's leaflets have some good detail of specific parts of the roller and it's accessories
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As I hoped to share some of the bits with fellow modellers who also fancied building a version of this I made masters of the wheels, bonnet (hood) and the front nose piece so I could cast copies of these in resin ....... Turned out that while I could cast the the central core of the rear wheels in resin, with my equipment it did not prove possible to cast the outer rims , so these had to made up with 10 thou plastic card strips. Subsequently I decided to amend the rear wheels so that they had a concave inner surface ..... This was done in the same way as my last roller , a push mould heated plastic and then the plastic cut and trimmed to fit inside the rear wheel rims
So this is the completed build ...... In the raw as they say
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As the drivers compartment is some what narrow, decided to build and paint the required bits separately and add them in place at the end.
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This is where I had got to a week or so ago, the models has now gone thro the stages of primer and initial undercoats so hopefully you should see the next stages of paint in a couple of days
I like it. -- Russ
Wow, that looks great! I like that prototype, it has a very interesting look to it.
...and now, thanks to Google, I know that a "scarifier" is not a device used by ghosts to haunt houses. :)
Hi Gordon, yes I build mainly in brass, and be amazed just what you can manage so plastic.
Looking very good Gordon.
How did you manage the compound curves on the nose piece?
Rick
Nice! Wow, paint on the way.
Gordon, very nice work. Looking forward to seeing the finished model.
Gordon Birrell
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Like a bad Penny. ;D ;D :P
Quote from: Chuck Doan on February 12, 2014, 06:32:44 PM
Nice! Wow, paint on the way.
You should know by now.....Don't hold your breath. ;D ;D :P
Oh very funny , haha :D
Helmut, I thought I had moved into the big league with this model and my "strip of brass"
Ray, "nose" is just flat plastic, some tube and a series of applications of Milliput smoothed with water and some careful sanding
Brass -Resin - curved plastic this is going into "high tec" I feel I'm left in a dark era - and it looks like it could be finished - Lovely work here Gordon and there is not even a "but" in there - just keep it coming
Barney
Thank you young Barney, don't forget the laser cut parts from VectorCut.
Found two useful things this morning , excluding my name tag & my glasses ......... A picture of the roller in wartime service and a tin of Humbrol Olive Drab ...... That will shut the non-believers up!
Do you even know how to use Humbrol paint? :P ...besides, it's probably so antique, that it has dried solid in the tin. :P
That's some scratchbuilding skill! Don't pay them no mind, I hear's that old humbrol formula was better..
Hopefully stop me getting nagged for a couple of days ;D
Primer, followed by various rust tones and then some pre- shading , which I hope will help breakup and add some interest to what are a lot of large flat surfaces. All paint was Tamiya, sorry Barney, thinned with their lacquer thinner.
I then gave it a couple of thin coats of Dullcote to seal ,this has been drying/ hardening off for a couple of days now so plan is to apply some chipping fluid and the start of the top coats tomorrow.
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Waiting to see how the paint and weathering turns out ;D
Your styrene work's quality is depressing. I'm always amazed how even more crisp the parts are looking when they're painted. I don't know if it was your intention, but the little buckles of the hood may give it a very convincing look in the end. If it was not your intention, please go back to the bench and add some more of it 8).
Cheers,
Volker
I agree with Volker. Very depressing work. The paint already has enhanced it so it's even more depressing now. -- ssuR
Volker, on this occasion I can claim that the dents were intentional ..... Wanted to try and differentiate between the heavy steel sides and the thin metal on the hood.
Thanks for comments re quality, should say most of the improvement has come from being coached by young Barney ..... Let's just say if it's not right , or fine enough then suggestions of recycling are forthcoming ;D
That is some dang fine work on a piece with some rather complex & interesting shapes! -- Dallas
Well got the scarifier painted, being small it was a useful piece to practice on
My reference pics seem to show this piece took a lot of abuse and is therefore a lot more worn and rusty than the rest of the roller will be. Looking at the pics now can see I will have to tone down some bits but will leave it now until it is fitted to the painted roller
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Very nice! It definitely looks like a piece of heavy, metal machinery.
Okay, Gordon, you made your move - nice prototype. Now back to modeling, please.
Looks very good to me, especially the side with the handwheel. I think there's some grease grime missing around the greased/oiled parts, which maybe look a bit to shiny: I've often seen the oil from the grease creeping over the rusty surfaces. Maybe some grease might have dropped from the screw. If this thingie was used for tearing up the surface there must have been lots of dust so the dust might have build up at the oily parts.
Volker
I looked at the photos and thought the assembly was altogether adequate. Then I read Volker's comment. The rascal is probably right. Luckily those are things you can do pretty quickly and easily. -- Russ
Magnificent, of course none of us expect any less.
excellent!
Now I really cant wait to see the rest !
-Mj
Volker, good call, you right the threads/ worm look to oily & shiny not like grease at all.
Will try and fix, will leave the dust until the whole is painted and put together and use dust/ grime to unify
Anybody would think I had a clue what I was doing :D
Marty, no pressure then ;)
Gordon, beautiful work! I love the deteriorated paint; original blue in places, fading to white or grey whether it be fading or primer, then giving way to rust. I'm guessing that over the dullcote went hairspray, then Tamiya pale grey, then blue? Chipped with a windex solution?
The suggestion for showing oil creeping over the surface is a great idea, but I'm not sure how you would do that. Maybe some oil paint, mixed with a little enamel gloss? Not sure.
Anyway, lovely work so far!
Thanks John, your description is just about spot on. Only difference is I did not use Windex, have experimented with that ...... Very successfully stripped all the paint off with that method, need to practice a bit more ;D
In this case just used a small stubby brush and stippled lightly rather than brushed the dampened paint surface, but for me anyway it is more luck than judgement ..... Hairspray, wrong kind, too thick, too thin, thinning the Tamyia paint with laquer instead of water ...... Just made that mistake, again !! Etc, etc
Couldn't agree more with all the compliments, very well deserved. Now..... if those gears are well oiled, I presume the scarifier is/has been used regularly - so would the tines be rusty...? ;D
Quote from: voyager on February 18, 2014, 08:54:07 AM
> I presume the scarifier is/has been used regularly - so would the tines be rusty...? ;D
Re. the rusty tines: steel when used/scraped/worn, will very quickly develop a thin layer of fresh bright orange rust...over time if the steel is not re-surfaced/scraped/worn the rust will darken through a series of shades, till it reaches a dark purplish-black-brown color. Light orange-ish rust tones occur only at freshly rusted/oxidized areas/surfaces (or leach from joints/pivots/hinges/panel joints/rivets/etc. that have moved causing the metal there to be continually resurfaced/scraped)
Show off! -- ssuR
Been working on the rollers, decided the machine will have been recently laid-up so there will/should light rust on the rollers etc
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Still can't make up my mind if I like or can live with rollers, will review when I have some more paint on main body
Excellent job Gordon.
To be a superior modeler with styrene you have to be named Gordon, apparently.
Don
Ain't seen ya here fer a coon's age, Don! -- Russ
Quote from: marc_reusser on February 18, 2014, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: voyager on February 18, 2014, 08:54:07 AM
> I presume the scarifier is/has been used regularly - so would the tines be rusty...? ;D
Re. the rusty tines: steel when used/scraped/worn, will very quickly develop a thin layer of fresh bright orange rust...over time if the steel is not re-surfaced/scraped/worn the rust will darken through a series of shades, till it reaches a dark purplish-black-brown color. Light orange-ish rust tones occur only at freshly rusted/oxidized areas/surfaces (or leach from joints/pivots/hinges/panel joints/rivets/etc. that have moved causing the metal there to be continually resurfaced/scraped)
I bow to your knowledge of rust formation.... ;D
Thanks for the compliment Don, appreciated.
Still working away on this, did get a hint that a well known bike rider from the sunshine state and world renowned rust expert was a bit concerned over the roller wheels, so backtracked on them trying to get some more variety onto the surface.
Not there yet but think it's going the right way for my needs
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Now I know no one listens to me - but I think the answer to your problem Mr Gordon is darken the roller sides up a bit or as the professional people say give it a "bit of contrast" and I know you said it has been laid up a while and the following shots show more than "laid up a while" but there is not so much stark difference between the rusty rim and the wheel/roller sides - But after saying all that I think it all looks a superb finish as it stands.
Barney
the "Pox Doctors clerk"
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But this is how it should have been painted - its one for the WD fans
Barney
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HUMBROL of course
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Wish you had posted these last couple of shots earlier, would have made detailing the scraper bars much better.
Got all the dimensions of the OD one , may have a go at it , but in 1/35 .... To go with my Ford tipper
Is that Lynda. ;D
p.s. Can I borrow some paint?
Quote from: finescalerr on February 23, 2014, 01:08:09 AM
Ain't seen ya here fer a coon's age, Don! -- Russ
Hi Russ! I retired in Jan. and I'm spending some quality time with my laptop. I may even buy a real camera this winter.
Regards, Don
Don, congrats on your retirement! I hope this means you'll get to do more modeling.
Quote from: Ray Dunakin on February 24, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
Don, congrats on your retirement! I hope this means you'll get to do more modeling.
Thanks Ray. I have been spending time cleaning out the office and plan to start on the cellar but I also plan to build some models and post on Russ' blog.
Regards, Don
Hi folks, the roller has flown across the globe, landing on my bench. It is my privilege to carry on with the painting of this very nice bit of scratch building.
Images can be found of these in various conditions, but I had to make it old and weary (as usual.)
Here the painting process is perhaps a little over half finished. Small parts are left off for now otherwise I will just break them.
The other side.
And here an enlarged part of the previous image.
Holy carp, that looks amazing!!!
I have been watching on FB. Just beautiful work John.
When I clicked on this thread it took me to this page, not the previous one, so the first thing I saw was the close up of the wheel and louvre. I thought it must be detail on an actual road roller you photographed for reference. Then I went to the previous page and discovered I was looking at a model. Satisfactory. -- Russ
yes it's been great to see what is possible.
John, you are giving Gordon's excellent worn model amazing 'old life'.
I hope there will be information forthcoming as to the methods used to get these amazing results.............
Mj
Nice ;D
"I hope there will be information forthcoming as to the methods used to get these amazing results............." Marty
me too!!
John,
this is very convincing work. Back then I thought this was going to be a model of an operational prototype, but you made it rather look like an abandoned machine. Very nice! I had the same impression like Russ when first visiting the page.
Volker
great roller
kim
Ooooh!, that is absolutely superb weathering, tell me more
Les
Thanks for your comments!
Some facebook friends pestered me for some how to information, so I made a video. It's actually a method I've shown before here on this forum but videos are always easier to follow.
This is the method for making faded, scratched paintwork. I hope you can see the video if I add it like this....
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The dust/ dried mud was achieved using the following method, added here to a WWI tank.
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John, what kind of hairspray do you use?
Bill
Hmm, rather a personal question, isn't it? Besides, what if he's bald? -- ssuR
Do I have to stand in the corner now?
Quote from: finescalerr on September 28, 2015, 11:05:32 PM
Do I have to stand in the corner now?
... yup, but be careful not to rouse Nick from hibernation ... ;)
Quote from: 5thwheel on September 28, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
John, what kind of hairspray do you use?
Bill
I don't mind personal questions Russ. Regular hold for my usual do, extra hold for those special occasions when I want extra height, for a really outrageous style. Or a really windy day.
Seriously, for effects on models I've used perhaps 7 or 8 different types. I think it's better to go for ones labelled fine mist, I believe these give a smoother application. But apart from that they all work well, these are the ones I'm using now. The aerosol on the left is just the generic no-name el-cheapo brand. The one on the right is in a pump action bottle, you can just unscrew the lid and pour it into the airbrush for small areas.
This project is pretty much finished, I just have to compress the images and I'll put them up. Cheers
Thanks John.
Bill
Woolworth's hairspray ? That is either a very old can or the company is still going in Oz , as it closed down in the UK quite a few years ago .
Nick , still in the corner after all these years .
Hi Nick, I think Woolworths would be the biggest supermarket chain here. Yep still going.
As promised, here is the finished Roller. Apart from the effects shown on the videos, rust stains are enamels. Oil stains are just oil paint thinned with enamel thinner.
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Most satisfactory. Yes, most satisfactory indeed. -- Russ
That is just absolutely fantastic paint/weathering work! The faded/oxidized appearance is spot-on, The scratches, rust, oil/grease stains, and scorched metal all perfectly rendered!
A very fitting finish for a great model!
John, Spot on! and rust and scratch and grease and oil and fade and....
Thanks for your comments, and thank you Gordon for allowing me to have a go at the paint job. Fantastic scratch build IMHO!
Cheers
John
Quote from: JohnTolcher on October 14, 2015, 07:17:13 AM
Thanks for your comments, and thank you Gordon for allowing me to have a go at the paint job. Fantastic scratch build IMHO!
Cheers
John
John your painting took Gordon's model to a whole new level . And you even managed to cover up all the gluey fingerprints on it !
Nick
John beautiful weathering.
Jerry
Oh Nick... that was low, Gordon would have cleaned them off first ;)
Michael