Next project - Looking for details -plans - measurements (yes Gordon measurements) for early 1900 to 1920 era mobile pile drivers -found some very poor photos of Holts and Keystones -but not much more and some idea of how they worked
Barney
I have a number of catalogs with construction and road construction equipment....will have a look to see what I can find...Be a few days though.
Darryl Huffman here on the forum, has numerous old road and construction equipment catalogs on CD's that he sells. He may know of one that has good info on it.
Just in case...would a Mack truck mounted one do?
There are even drawings of American railroad steam Pile Driver.
http://dingler.culture.hu-berlin.de/article/pj315/ar315102 (http://dingler.culture.hu-berlin.de/article/pj315/ar315102)
Google translated version
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I'm always interested in pile drivers but I have no plans or drawings for anything mobile.
I guess a mobile pile driver would be great for fence posts and guard rail posts.
Maybe an automotive or truck forum would help.
There are groups devoted to old construction equipment online.
Sounds like a great research project.
Quote from: marc_reusser on September 27, 2013, 03:42:39 AM
Just in case...would a Mack truck mounted one do?
No it would not !!!
He is already building my Model T tractor, don't encourage him ;) ;)
I might have something for Barney , leave it with me
p.s. You don't do measurements , that and wanting to change your painting style whatever next
Did you know there is a Pile Drivers association - sounds pain full to me -could bring tears to your eyes !!
Funny can't find anything on Mack but these give some basic info
If you go to Google books here: http://books.google.com/books?id=0UJttWHSwNYC (http://books.google.com/books?id=0UJttWHSwNYC) images 397 to 404 (pages 88-89) give some good info on the pile driver, including dimensions You can download the PDF of this book to your computer by clicking on the "gear" in the upper right corner.
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I have just this.
Barney
I stared drawing a Keystone Scraper based on a series of photos of one somewhere in the US. I think a link was on this site. I have been able to locate, measure and photograph one in New Zealand. I have not at this stage corrected my drawing as it was started with some basic measurements and not much detail. I have about 100 photos of the local one but it has been restored incorporating some series modifications, ie all the timber frame has been abandoned and replaced with steel channels. I have also been able to measure the original boiler. I can post my drawing to date of the scraper, what scale are you needing.
Les
Thanks to you all for the info and photos -no excuses now
Les - it will be in 1/35th
Barney
Barney
My preliminary drawing for the skimmer (not shown as it does not fit onto an A4 sheet) I will sot out a link for the photos as they are a large file
Les
Changed the PDF to a jpg
Les
Probably not what you are after...but cthought of a truck mounted crane (which were common), using one ofmthese types of drivers.
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You probably have already seen this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mckiernan-Terry-Pile-Driver-Catalog-1927-on-CD-/260423969064 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mckiernan-Terry-Pile-Driver-Catalog-1927-on-CD-/260423969064)
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Later than you want....but truck mounted.
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Just a neat shot
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This may be of some interest....pile drivers by the Vulcan corp.
Site has a good bit of info
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Just a neat pic.
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I sell the 1917 Vulcan Pile Driving Machinery catalog on CD but it does not have anything on truck mounted piledrivers. But it does contains lots of detailed information and drawings of the different components on a pile driver.
I also sell the 1918 Keystone Oil and Water Drilling Catalog on CD. But, again, it does not have anything on truck mounted piledrivers.
I am quite sure owners of the Keystone Drillers would occassionaly modify them for driving fence posts and the like. The Keystone Drillers are percussion type of drilling machines so their use as a percussion type of pile driver would be a simple modification for any enterprising machine shop to do.
As my two catalogs are dated 1917 and 1918 they may both be published too early to show their use on a truck.
I love any discussions about pile drivers. My On3 pile driver was Model Railroader's Model of the Month in May of 1990.
Max Corey and I discussed some great piledrivers used on the Alaska Railroad that used block and tackle to slew the tower. I have not searched the State of Alaska photo archives for pile drivers.
The people typing in the descriptions had little understanding of anything mechanical so their search engine is not very helpful. I pointed out a couple of errors they had and asked for a job with them to provide more accurate descriptions but they weren't interested.
Only thing I found so far, cat mounted drop hammer.
Sorry it isn't a better quality photo....
Ken
How many here have worked on a piling crew before? Any hands? I have. It sucks royally.
I had gone on a job as a roust-a-bout for an oilfield company in the early 80's down in some crap hole ditch in SW Louisiana to pound a bulkhead into place. Creosoted pilings are NOT the thing you want to mess around with in 95 degree weather. The creosote begins to ooze and if you get it on you, doesn't need to be much, it will begin to burn your skin and the more you stand in the sun, the worse it gets. Blistering and all.
I was smart and wore a long sleeve welders shirt. I got laughed at too and called names that often refers to a cat or a particular female part, but I had already worked with pilings on a farm and knew the consequences, but I can't say that much for some of the others on the crew. Needless to say, I had the last laugh.
I can't comment much on the driver itself as it was basically a crane with the hammer guide dangling below that we had to maneuver into place. It wasn't rigidly mounted.
The really cool drivers were the ones that they used to drive casing into the ground before a well is started. They are big one cylinder diesel engines, without a crank. The piston is the hammer that is raised by combustion just like a regular D engine except it comes back down and slams into an anvil that sits on the casing. The piston/hammer creates compression on the way down so that the fuel is fired off at or about the same time the piston hits the anvil thus bumping the piston back up to it's highest position ready for another round.