My cousin in Washington State is scratch building a 1:24 model of a "Clyde Puffer"
A tug type vessel from Scotland used like a truck or lorrey in more modern times.
There was a mast & boom on the deck used to load & unload the goods stored in the hold.
The heavy lifting was done by a deck mounted steam winch with a single drum and two capstans.
I have a very poor rough drawing (it is totally missing the steam chest).
I am going to build the winch for him. (like I need more to do!)
Just wondering if any of you have some good images of such a device.
It really looks like the business end of a logging donkey.
Marty
There's several preserved ones but I believe only one steam powered one which is based on the Caledonian Canal.
Fancy a holiday to Scotland? ;)
Marty, you would have got in serious trouble in some parts of the Clyde if you had referred to a "Puffer" as as a tug type vessel ;D
I have various books on Puffers and should have, somewhere a pretty accurate drawing of the winch and associated bits ........ Give me a couple of days and I will dig the stuff out
Yes! Jim, would love to go!
Thanks Gordon for not ratting me out! ::)
I knew one of you guys would have better info!
Take your time.
-Marty
I probably have diagrams or drawings of some ilk from the wronb side of the pond...and nothing to do with your Clyde, in my Clyde Iron Works catalogs. :)
Hi Marty,
I have only one pic of this type of thing from the maritime museum in San Fransisco....
does this look like the kind of thing?
Hope it helps
James
Here's a small winch located in Southern Utah.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2037%2F2044473321_56694d22a0_b.jpg&hash=0cbee32db664e5e7b7cf13b1bbb6188019f36e6d)
Gordon Birrell
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Perhaps?
I think I would just buy the kit ! http://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/highlander.html
I took a load of pictures of a couple of puffers when we were on holiday on the West Coast a few years ago . But I'm boogered if I can find them .
Nick
Thanks guys!
Good pictures.
Basically what I was thinking but nice to have reference.
Nick,
The ship is 50% built and the price is a little high just for the winch.
But now I have better pictures!
-Mj
After a long hiatus from modeling (The '54 got a whole new interior in leather) I have returned to the bench.
Thought some might like to see my efforts on the deck winch.
Since I have no real exact prototype to go on I am using lots of winches for reference.
I hope when complete it will look the part.
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-Marty
I hope you have a primer that will stick to those gears. -- Russ
Been my experience paint won't stay on Nylon, have to use dye.
Probably after the fact but maybe these will help.
Bill
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Deck winch on the SS Portland.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv485%2Fminis-etc%2Fdeckwinch_1.jpg&hash=47ae46d7a06e9bfdf5ac1874000cb539f4cfbf4c)
About using dye, what I have done is to use RIT dye, you get an old pot mix up the dye and boil the parts in it, they come out really nice. Works on Nylon and Delrin, maybe other plastics, but I have not tried them.
Paul
After you dye the parts will they then hold paint?
Maybe you first tap the parts to die them, then have a funeral. -- ssuR
The dye does not make them hold paint, it just colors them.
Paul
If you guys recall I have used a few of these gears previously.
Not to worry.
Got the large capstans fabricated.
They started life as 1 1/2" long pieces of 1" bar.
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-MJ
Your usual fine machine work. They look great.
Jerry
Good looking winch. Are you going to make the plumbing out of brass? I need to scratch one for a tug boat in 1/48 scale and the info in this thread has been invaluable.
Looking good Marty. Welcome back.
Max,
I would get a hold of a CHB "donkey" to use as a start for a winch in 1:48.
Anyway, I am finished with the winch.
I'm happy but not excited about the end result.
I think not having any good plans or reference photos really killed my enthusiasm.
I had to make a lot of "assumptions" which I don't like to do.
Hopefully my knowledge of steam donkeys may have helped?....
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_9298copy_zps9dfe99fd.jpg&hash=c82fb105f117a30f882350f25cd17b55765eaa64) (http://s263.photobucket.com/user/lab-dad-jones/media/DSC_9298copy_zps9dfe99fd.jpg.html)
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Thanks for looking.
I'm hoping to get back on the Shay and machine shop next!
-Marty
Quote from: lab-dad on November 29, 2013, 01:20:35 PM
Anyway, I am finished with the winch.
I'm happy but not excited about the end result.
-Marty
Well You should be that is beautifully done!!!
But what am I missing, I don't see the steam exhaust?
You could have done worse. -- Russ
Looks very good and very feasible. You have the plumbing right and the brake and clutch levers right my only thought...
The main side plates seem strange. Every donkey or hoist I have seen used a cast iron side plate and it had openings and ridges around the edge and openings cast in. But you probably know more than me. Looks like a live steamer and could work.
Kemtron used to and may still sell accurate donkey engine and hoist plans drawn up by the late and great Al Armitage.
Looks very good 8)
Quote from: lab-dad on November 29, 2013, 01:20:35 PM
I'm hoping to get back on the Shay and machine shop next!
:) :) :)
-MJ
Looks great to me. Glad your going back to the Shay!!!
Jerry
Looking good!
How did you finish the brass parts? Is it some sort of plating?
Thanks guys, your too kind!
Norcal - the steam exhaust is closest to the main drum and goes straight down.
Max your right, i should have added the perpendicular plates or ridges.
Hauk I dipped the brass capstans into a blackening agent, they went really dark!
Must be a different type of alloy (free machining naval brass I'm told from the supplier)
I could not get the effect to work on any other brass I have.
They are the best part of the model - I think!
-Mj