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Well for what it is worth here is my current distraction (last 3 months).
Scale is 1:16 (of coarse)
It is 16 3/4" long and 2 1/4" from the rail to the top of the frame.
36" gauge. I hope to have it electric and R/C (another steep hurdle!)
I did not make the wheels or the gears, everything else is from my hands & machines.
I did not use CNC; I count, subtract and add hand-wheel numbers and rotations.
I draw with a pencil on paper.

Frame, still under construction;
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Front truck
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I am still working things out.
The screws are long as i am not done with the assembly & disassemble and reassembly......
The truck has three dozen 0-80 fasteners and weighs a pound and a half..

The name "Wizard" is because of a good friend who offered assistance and Lima blueprints when I spoke of "trying" this project out. Without "The Wizard of Willits" help, i would not have been able to even get started.

More to follow.
Thanks for looking,
marty

Marty,    What size shay will this be....13 Ton or??

Marty, this is great and I look forward to seeing more progress! I too enjoy machining on a small scale and happen to be working on an "Elmers engine" now.

Chris

Sweeeet!! What you've done so far is already awesome!

Quote from: lab-dad on May 22, 2013, 04:51:58 PM
Well for what it is worth here is my current distraction (last 3 months).

Ooh, tantalizing view of secret project ... this should be good!   ;)  -- Dallas

That thing is really coming along well. Do the gears mesh smoothly? They look perfect. -- Russ

hey marty
you are a craftsman
regards kim

This is gonna be one of those ones you don't really wanna paint, and then hide a lot of the craftsmanship behind it.  Great start Marty, and I'm sure this will be a pleasurable one to watch come together.  All the best with the rest of the project.

Cheers,
Dan

Simply lovely craftsmanship, and one hell of an undertaking. Kudos. Unfortunately it like the other brass work on this forum is so far out of my realm of skill and ability, I dont know what else to say. But I am very happy to finally get a glimpse of your progress on this, and look forward to more.

Thanks guys!
It has been a real challenge and a wonderful learning experience.
To answer Craig's question it is based on a 13 ton Class A with 6x10 cylinders.
Any questions, please feel free to ask!

-Marty

Your work is just beautiful.  If I had half your talent I'd be happy.

But the real question is are you going to make these in On30 ;)

Jerry

Iv'e been watching this one. Your fab and machining skills are quite wonderful. Way beyond me too, but fun to watch.

Marty, awesome, not only in scale, but also by the quality of the craftmanship!

Franck

Hi Marty,

that looks great.

I would however like to see the other side without the bevel gear.

QuoteDo the gears mesh smoothly? They look perfect. -- Russ

Why yes, of course! Would i settle for anything less?  ;D
I spent a lot of time fine tuning the backlash down to .002" - .003"

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Here is the "plain" side of the truck.

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I did not use the normal spoked wheels on the "drive"side as they are hard to see, also this made securing the bevel gear easier (for me) any way. The wheels did require some modifications for my use though.

And here is what I did to spring the axle bearings on this side.

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The bushings are aluminum so I can replace them if I wear them out and not the axles (steel).
Also there are lube holes (not shown in this pic) down through the bushings to lube the axle.

It's no wonder they always show the guy with the oil can walking around the locomotive, there are numerous places for oil/lubrication. I have tried to plan for a way to do this as well.

Marty

So, the cat is finally out of the bag, cool.
Beautiful work Marty!

Rick

Where did you get the wheels and gears?

Before you answer Ray let me utter a simple, "Good heavens!" -- Russ

QuoteWhere did you get the wheels and gears?

Wheels came from Gary at http://www.sierravalleyenterprises.com/ (http://www.sierravalleyenterprises.com/)
Wonderful service and a really nice guy!

Gears (and so far the most expensive part) are from http://www.sdp-si.com/ (http://www.sdp-si.com/)
As far as i know, the only place in the USA to get neat stuff like that.

Thanks Russ!
-Marty

Marty -
Have you seen the Shay thread by another "mad machinist", Dan Rowe, on the SE Forum (www.7-8ths.info)?
He has done a lot of CAD work from original Lima plans, and even some 3D Printing for a
model he's building. Not sure what size, but he calls it a "Mapleton Shay"Australian prototype
maybe? Here's the thread...  http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php?topic=1357.0

Great job so far, BTW...
Carlo

Marty, absolutely wonderful, I liked your opening comments about your methods of drawing and machining as well, We need to keep those skills alive.
Brass does have such a crisp Victorian quality to it, especially when mixed with mahogany.

Michael

This mans "an engineer" and it takes your breath away !
Barney

Carlo,
Yes, Thanks!
I had seen the "other" thread.
Unfortunately the author was not very helpful, I did find he had "plans" published in some magazine whic I have ordered back copies of.

Michael,
I was thinking walnut!.......

Barney,
Thanks! But I am just a whacker!

Working on what is known as the bottom bracket, basically the crankcase.
This was one of the few items i had no blueprint for, and did not fin any good drawings anywhere.
May be the articles mentioned in my reply to Carlo?

Anyway using the crankshaft drawing and pictures i drew up my bottom bracket.
I need some 1-72 threaded rod to bolt down the mains and then I can mill the bore for the crank!
The block of aluminum is 1"wide x 1.75" long x .883" tall.
Back holes are 0-80 the center is 2-56.

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-Marty

Work continues on the "bottom baracket"
The three large hex (2-56) bolts are caps to allow oiling of the main bearings.
Couple more steps before this is done.
Marty

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I can not understand how people have the skills to work with metal like that.
It's a modelling area I can only look at with WOW.
:o

Nothing to add, it's way beyond my skills and abilities.
Just wow. Fantastic.

Despite Alexandre's and others' positive comments, I think your work is horrible, Marty. Dreadful. Disgusting. Wretched. But, compared to most of what I see, it's really not so bad .... -- Russ

Yeah, way too much thought and craftsmanship in this stuff ... shame you couldn't just slap some crap together and call it done ... guess it will have to do.  -- Dallas

IMPRESSIVE AS ALWAYS!!!!

Jerry

QuoteDespite Alexandre's and others' positive comments, I think your work is horrible, Marty. Dreadful. Disgusting. Wretched. But, compared to most of what I see, it's really not so bad .... -- Russ

QuoteYeah, way too much thought and craftsmanship in this stuff ... shame you couldn't just slap some crap together and call it done ... guess it will have to do.  -- Dallas

C'mon Guys your being way too easy on him, How is the lad going to improve with wishy washy comments like that. :P

Marty don't listen to any of us were all just jealous, because you are walking the walk.

Michael

Thanks guys.
Working my way up to the cylinders.
The valve train is giving me a headache.
May have to pause and do something easy......
Marty

Valve train ... good one!  ;D

Quote from: Malachi Constant on May 31, 2013, 05:21:17 AM
Yeah, way too much thought and craftsmanship in this stuff ... shame you couldn't just slap some crap together and call it done ... guess it will have to do.  -- Dallas

dunno why he can't just tip it from a box to be honest!  :)

Your kidding me.   Wonderful work.

I was indeed  ;)

I agree, this is great stuff

So much work and craftsmanship......wouldn't you rather just have a nice Bman one? :)

Quotewouldn't you rather just have a nice Bman one?

Sure, "if" they made one, and "if" it wasn't a p.o.s. and "if" they made it in 1/16th..


Anyway, working along on the engine.
Decided i would pause on the valve train and continue the cylinders.

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Crankshaft is next i guess, then back to the valve-train.
Still lots more detail to add.
-Marty

Marty,

Please stop, us plastic only kids are starting feel dreadfully inadequate

Although your painting on the machines has been great, hoping that this little jewel might just remain in the raw metal so the workmanship can be fully appreciated.

The steam chests are still under construction, right?

The engine subassembly appears adequate at this stage. If you were planning to fabricate the whole model in metal I might echo Gordon's sentiments but, as I recall, the superstructure will be plastic.

You've become quite the "buildin' fool". Can't wait for the next installment.

Russ

Thanks!

Quote
Although your painting on the machines has been great, hoping that this little jewel might just remain in the raw metal so the workmanship can be fully appreciated.

Sorry Gordon,
This will be painted, and hopefully as adequately as the machines.
Then again my solid brass Corliss still awaits paint.
I will do a "glamor shot" of it all nakid before I paint it.

QuoteThe steam chests are still under construction, right?

QuoteStill lots more detail to add.

Lots more to do Russ!

-Marty

Thanks for the effort to photograph & post the various stages of construction -- much appreciated! -- Dallas

Marty I get the sense that you use the right materials for the task at hand. this is what in my opinion discerns the skilled model builder from the newbie, and all that that implies. If it needs brass then brass it is! if it needs resin then resin it is, and if it needs styrene then styrene it is. and if God Forsake it needs string then string it is!!!!

Marty your work is exemplary! and a whole lot of fun to follow.

Michael

I'm glad to hear you'll be painting it. Although I can understand the appeal of an unpainted model, especially metal models, I much prefer to see them painted.

Whatever you do in regards to painting, it will be what you did. Nice progress on some challenging (to me) shapes.

GaaacK! :o

The crazy thing is this is really going to run when it's finished :o

Jerry

Steam chests are done, just need to work out the manifold.
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And decided to do some woodworking.
Man does not live on brass alone.
As mentioned earlier I am using walnut.
Not sure how I will finish it.
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Guess i should have moved my daughters pencil up from behind the shop window!
Nice to have a background for this thing!

-Marty

That lovely brass work is absolute top quality craftsmanship! I really envy all those engineers like you :-\

Congrats,
Peter

Walnut? First jewelry and now furniture. -- Russ

Georgeous! I will be interested to see how you fasten the running board brackets.

Beautiful work.

Jerry

It's really freakin' cool to see this thing under construction in a scale shop!  8)  -- Dallas

Marvelous work!

Thanks guys!
As far as the running boards; scale hardware has small (1.0 - 1.6mm) carriage bolts.
I think I only need about a hundred............
-Marty

Hi Marty, your work is beautiful  :o

Just crazy, man!

Thanks Guys!
Marc, you know i am crazy!

Feeling "cranky" (hey, where has that guy been-he had cool stuff!).
Anyway, I worked on the crankshaft.
Thought some might enjoy seeing the process.
i did not invent these steps but looked hard to find them.

I started with 4 - 1.1" squares and drilled a hole in the center and another inline at a .3125" centerline (10" throw)

Then i turned the squares .890" round using a machine screw in the center and a pin in the offset hole.

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Then I drilled a recess & hole in a scrap of plywood to remove most of the material for the counterweight.

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Kinda looks like a deranged pac-man! I like it!
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Using pins I mounted the parts in the mill vice and machined the straight part of the counterweight.

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The finished parts.
Sorry I did not get a shot of the angled cut set-up.
Note there is a .020" radius at the corner to reduce stress. (a sharp edge can crack easier - not that there will be any real stress on this crank.)
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And the glamor shot!
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Sadly this is only temporary.
I need to install a large driven gear between the throws for the motor.

Hi Martin

Is this actually going to work via compressed air or something?  (it looks like it should so far)

Regards

Jim

Too cool!

Weird...how the heck did I miss this thread totally?? Maybe the title?

Great work Marty. As a machinist I think you are so close to a working model that your next effort should BE a working model.

Paul

Thanks!
Jim,
I am hoping to power this with an electric motor.
See here;https://slatersplastikard.com/linePage.php?code=GBG3 (https://slatersplastikard.com/linePage.php?code=GBG3)
The whole design is a "work in progress" since it really has not been done like I am doing and in 1/16.

Paul,
I think you mean a steam operated model, and may be, someday. But they look like a PITA
I still plan to do another plymouth/tractor inspired loco as well.

Glad you guys are enjoying.
-Marty

Checking in, the crank looks terrific. Marty you mention a radius in the corner, I see there is a small projection there as well why does the shape not just transition with the radius fillet?

Michael

Quote from: lab-dad on June 18, 2013, 05:09:45 AM
Thanks!
Jim,
I am hoping to power this with an electric motor.
See here;https://slatersplastikard.com/linePage.php?code=GBG3 (https://slatersplastikard.com/linePage.php?code=GBG3)
The whole design is a "work in progress" since it really has not been done like I am doing and in 1/16.

Hi Marty

You might find something a bit more suitable (and compact) from here http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/

Click on gearboxes and there's a gearbox planner, I think most high level gearboxes are designed for mashima motors but it will depend on how much power you are going to need.

Regards

Jim

I think we should start calling Marty, Mr. Wizard.

Really, I feel like Tooter Turtle every time I open one of his build threads.  And I was a machinist at one time in my life.  Awsume skills dood!

That is some impressive work Marty. The machine tools look dead-on real.

What a second.... How do we know that is not a real life size machine shop and steam engine, and that you are actually a giant?

Aha! Busted!!  8)

Nice work Marty, your building this faster than the one I did in styrene.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/

Thanks guys!

Michael,
The little projections are just me being artsy~fartsy

Jim,
Thanks for the link, I think those might be a little too small.
The one I ordered is somewhere between Devon-shire & Florida.......

Russ,
That name is already taken, see first post.

Gordon,
Not really it just feels like it when your watching & not building it!

Thanks again,
Marty

Marty, You're still a wizard of your own making.  Who said there can only be one?

QuoteMichael,
The little projections are just me being artsy~fartsy

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Marty that is a brilliant response! It brings to mind that we are all being as creative as we can be. Because to be Human is to be creative, that is our nature.
and thanks for your kind words on my humble boat build.

Michael

My weekly progress shot
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The motor arrived from Devonshire!
Amazing it was like it was made to order for my Shay!
It did take some time fitting & fabricating but it lined up with my engines crankshaft perfectly. I must admit i was worried, it looked too good on paper.
Also wondered if i could get all the pieces of the crank soldered together!
I still need to remove the excess main shaft between the throws.
I can not wait to see her go!

Now it is on to completing the drive shafts.
Does anyone have or have access to some 3/16" square brass rod?
I only need about 6 or 8" and no one locally has it.
Yes i could order from Special Shapes but ordering a whole length (36") plus shipping is a little silly. Just hoping someone has a better LHS than I do........
I''ll pay for it!

-Marty

Nice real nice Mr. Jones.

Jerry

Marty,

How are you transferring power from the vertical motor shaft to the horizontal engine shaft?
Rick

Quote from: lab-dad on June 24, 2013, 11:34:27 AM
Does anyone have or have access to some 3/16" square brass rod?
I only need about 6 or 8" and no one locally has it.
Yes i could order from Special Shapes but ordering a whole length (36") plus shipping is a little silly. Just hoping someone has a better LHS than I do........

Okay, everybody check their odds-n-ends!  (My K&S scrap bag had none -- I do have a 12" length of K&S 5/32" brass tube with (stated) .014" wall thickness.  Too small?  Close enough?  -- Dallas

Satisfactory progress, young Martin. -- Russ

Rick,
I should have taken a shot from under whilst in the pit! (I will once the motor is mounted)
The motor I received has a series of gears (30:1) and the final drive gear meshes with a gear on the crank.
You can see the driven gear on the crank peeking down under the center main bearing.
I still need to add a fake cap for that middle main.

Dallas,
I need square rod (not tube), 3/16 x 3/16
Looks like I may have to order a lifetime supply.... >:(

Thanks
-Marty

Sorry Marty I don't have any brass sq in that size...be sure and get the orientation of the rods to the u joints correct! One of the back issues of Finescale RR or maybe it was one of the annuals had an article on this...I think the author was Galgerud(sp?) who had the series on scratchbuilding a loco.

Paul

on edit, I found this which gives the issue. Hopefully Russ will forgive the source of this info ;)
http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php?id=1762&forum_id=20&page=2

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edhume3/sets/72157614192042835/with/6976636828/

Found another Shay project that may be of interest Marty.

Ed does simply amazingly great work, and Marty, this is what I was talking about, time to take it to the next level! A working engine!!
Browse thru all of Ed Humes pics, he has built a bunch of stuff!

Paul

Marty,

Try this for the brass:


http://www.mscdirect.com/product/31974785?src=pla&008=-99&007=Search&pcrid=15557577904&006=15557577904&005=21882504424&004=4409695744&002=2167139&mkwid=sJXegN7a0&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test_sJXegN7a0_PLA__15557577904_c_S&026=nv&025=c

Paul

Quote from: Chuck Doan on June 25, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edhume3/sets/72157614192042835/with/6976636828/

Found another Shay project that may be of interest Marty.

Wow. And wow again.

That is an amazing Shay! Way above my skill level!
Thanks Chuck!

Paul,
MSC might be a way to go also, thanks.
Getting to the point where i am going to have to get it somewhere.

On that "working" engine;
I dont think I am there yet, I have "stepped up" quite a bit, but not that far.
Also I dont know if it is possible to build a working Class A steam Shay.
Most of them are class B or larger, and typically 3 truck.
Also, I have no desire to mess with steam!
I will likely run my engine very little, I am a modeler, not a railroader.

Thanks guys!
-Marty

Quote from: Chuck Doan on June 25, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edhume3/sets/72157614192042835/with/6976636828/

Found another Shay project that may be of interest Marty.

Wow! I dont think that guy learned how to run a mill yesterday, he has been around the block a time or two. Amazing!!

Marty do you have a small mill? You could mill a piece of 3/16 brass in no time.


Chris

Chris
Yes i could mill a piece but i would need some 3/16 sheet.
Dont have any of that either.

Here is a shot from under.
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The gearbox interrupts the truss rods so i drilled & tapped the sides of the gearbox for them.

Here is a short video of it running

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Marty

Not a lot of progress but I did mange to get the valve eccentrics and straps fabricated.
The straps still need the rods that go up and (ultimately) work the valves.
I did not make the penny in the picture though!  ;D

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Good news also; more materials are on the way!
-Marty

Wow! That gearbox is impressive. How did you figure all the ratios/gear sizes?

Nice work on the penny. -- Russ

Chuck,
I'm not that smart!
I did not make the gearbox, I just got lucky!
The motor & gearbox is made for some "gauge 1" things in Europe......
From the motor to the large output gear they say 30:1, I figure my driven gear (on the crank) I luse a little then it doubles at the pinion on the trucks.
I'm hoping I have enough torque.
if not; we're gonna need a bigger motor!

Thanks Russ! ;) Now if I could do twenties.............
-Marty

how do you know the offset for the holes?
mph

Quotehow do you know the offset for the holes?

Gil, I'm assuming you mean for the eccentrics?
If so, then according to my blueprints i needed a scale .100" offset.


This weeks update;

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Not much to "show" but the connecting rods and the piston rods are in along with the cross-heads.
Now when the crank goes around the rods go up and down.
Once the material arrives for the eccentric straps i will have a lot going on!

-Marty

Just amazing. I assumed you did the gearbox as it looked like your work.

Not bad. -- Russ

Wow. You got some skillz!

Stunning!  -- Dallas

Marty
Mad scientist  ??? :o
So if I understand correctly the gearing tower is in the or behind the cylinders?
not through the trucks like on all the shay models before you ??? ??? ??? ???
WOW trailblazer
Impressive, really
MPH

Amazing work!

Thank you gentlemen! ;D

Gil,
NO!
The motor is up inside the vertical boiler, the gears below and out to the(right)to the engines crankshaft.
The crankshaft has the driven gear in the center.
Then the crankshaft will turn the driveshafts, which turn the pinions and then turn the wheels/ ring gears.

I'm no trailblazer, I basically copied what Bachmann did in On30.

-Marty

Marty
Am I wrong :o
Traditional brass imported Shays were powered through the rear truck ???
I don't own a Bachmann Shay, so I have never seen their power arrangement
cool none the less.
MPH

QuoteTraditional brass imported Shays were powered through the rear truck Huh

Beats me, I could not afford a Traditional brass imported Shays :o

It will be "cool" when it moves on it's own with r/c power down dead rails!

-Mj

Quote from: lab-dad on July 08, 2013, 11:16:16 AM
...
This weeks update;
...

Beautiful  :o

Quote from: lab-dad on July 09, 2013, 08:17:43 AM

QuoteTraditional brass imported Shays were powered through the rear truck Huh

Beats me, I could not afford a Traditional brass imported Shays :o

It will be "cool" when it moves on it's own with r/c power down dead rails!

-Mj

Well, yeah, that will be cool ... but if you really want to mess with their heads ... double-flanged wheels and pole road!  Look, suckers, my Shay runs on wooden rails ... neener, neener!  ;D  :P

LOL!
Hey Dallas, what about an R/C team of oxen! on a pole road! ???

Arno,
Thanks!
What is your avatar a drawing of?
I tried enlarging it but no luck.

-Marty

p.s. material arrived so no more excuses!

They said of a Climax loco that you could scratch two lines in the dirt and it would follow them.

Quote from: lab-dad on July 10, 2013, 05:24:05 AM
What is your avatar a drawing of?
I tried enlarging it but no luck.

A part of the Arrangement of Driver Brake's drawing for my project. Not obvious to see I guess  ;D

Got the valve linkage, eccentrics and rockers installed.
Just need the rod up to the valve chest.

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Sure is cool to see it all in action! ;D
Once i get it back on the frame I'll shoot a video.

Marty

Double strewth!!!!!  :o

Whoa!

This is going to be so awesome when it's done!

Thanks guys!

Having a little trouble;
Can someone explain the reverse lever and the tumbler shaft on a Shay to me?

The reverse lever moves longitudinally (front to back). While the tumbler shaft (running longitudinally) rotates moving the solid link changing the valve action.
How can the lever, or better yet it's linkage change the motion?

I have stared at drawings for hours!
I cant make sense of it, and i need to so i can make the linkage "work"

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Marty

Hi Marty
Does this help?>http://www.billp.org/Dockstader/ValveGear.html

Arno

I did some research according to some pictures...
looks very simple to me now  :)

First the reverse lever is like a 'L'
Between it and the tumbler shaft's lever, there is a simple rod. Like in that picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Forks%2C_Washington_Shay_Locomotive_1.JPG)
And that's it  :)

I hope I'm clear  :-\

we can (almost) see the things on this beauty;
http://www.gearedsteam.com/shay/images/w_g_tuten_10-sn850.jpg

Arno

Arno,
Thanks for the help!
Between what you and I have found I think I have it figured out.
I did not realize the "drop" in the linkage from lever to shaft.
That is what allows the change in motion.
So many "links" to do a simple motion......
You second image is of great help.
Thanks!
Marty

I'm glad you figured it out  :)
Because I have a lack of technical words in english, I understood tumbler shaft as rocker shaft... At the beginning I thought your issue was with the Stephenson valve gear itself  :D

Arno

Very Neat Marty.
Fascinating to watch over your shoulder.

Phil Morrow

Stunning work, I really enjoy watching this come together.
You should post the comparison photo with the 1/4" Shay to give every
one a good idea just how impressive this Shay is.

After enjoying the shop machinery and the shop build, I just have to ask,
what do you have in mind to top this project ?
Ken

Quote from: kneighbarger on August 03, 2013, 11:44:18 AM
After enjoying the shop machinery and the shop build, I just have to ask,
what do you have in mind to top this project ?

When he's done, he should just mount it on his head and wear it as a crown!

Beautiful workmanship as always ...

Thanks guys!
Sorry i missed your posts.  ???

I intend to just keep going in the scale, pains me to take down my O scale layout but it really is just collecting dust.
I have a copious amount of ideas/projects to build in 1:16 and (luckily) there are absolutely no kits!

Dallas, no hat it is too heavy!

The Shay is on temporary hold as I will be traveling through Yellowstone & the Tetons shortly.
Also I am doing some interior work on my '54 Chevy truck while our weather is poor.

More soon.
-Marty

When your looking at the Tetons! Mr. Potato Head is only 4 1/2 hours away!
Stop by and say Hi, I will actually be traveling through there on the 15th!!
MPH

This is beautiful work. I think you should be making watches!

I think those watches would be closer to the size of big clocks, Narayan! -- Russ

Well the warning at the top says it all;
this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.

That was some vacation!
Well yes it was!

When I put the project on pause(thats French for stop)
I was at the most stressful part (or at least I felt that way).
The drive-shafts and u-joints.

I'm happy to say I figured it all out and she moves under her own power! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So without further adieu;

This is one of the joints. The set screws are 6-32 and the O.D. of the aluminum is .875"
I'm quite happy with the performance and scale.
The original blueprints can be seen in the background.

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Soldering up the yokes to the shafts;

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And there is no sense in having a big ass machine shop if you cant use it for pictures!

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I am glad to be back on this project.
Thanks for looking.
-Marty

You sure have big fingers.

I'm glad you're back on this project, too. Nice job on the drivetrain.

Russ

Welcome back, and very nicely done. Always enjoy seeing the progress on a finely engineered piece like this one.

After I win the mega lotteries that are being drawn in the next few weeks here in Oz, I will be decking out a grand ol' workshop so I can tinker with similar ideas...here's hoping!! :)

Cheers,
Dan

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Seeing the thing take shop in a "miniature" (but still big a$$) machine shop is icing on the cake!  Nice work (understatement).  -- Dallas

Well that sure is purty!!!!!  That drive train is what it's all about I can hear it warming up now!!!

Jerry

Sweet!

Awesome Marty.

Glad to hear you made it past the "sticking point" on this project. Sure looks good!

what i like apart from  the real quality of the shay is the workshop.
kind regards km

Thanks guys!
I cant wait to get the frame and trucks painted!
-Mj

Hello Marty, which is a wonderful total work of art.

Marty,

apart from your outstanding craftmanship I'm very curious to see the photos you'll take one day, using a background behind the windows and involving the mirror effects of the opened windowpanes.

I really like your work.

Volker

Stunning!
I'm glad you're back on this project  :)

Marty,
That is just plain breath taking, exemplary workmanship!!!
Thanks for sharing with us.
Rick

Beautiful work, congratulations

A masterpiece it will be...... :o!

Anders

I appreciate you all looking in and keeping me motivated.
Some time the last few days between fighy pudding and beers.

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Thanks!
Marty

Marty,
What kind of wood are you using for the decking?
Just curious
Rick

Rick,
Walnut. Planning on using it for all the wood.
Still not sure what type of cab it will get though......

-Marty

Seeing has how this is a little Shay, I would do a very open cab to show all the details. But that is the kind I like.  It almost looks like a live steamer.  Enjoying your progress it will be gorgeous!

Max a fellow Shay lover.

Beautiful work, Marty
I enjoy watching this one come together...

Ken

Finally finished up the johnson bar.
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Oh, and yes it is operational.
Happy New Year!
Marty

Well, it's about time. I was wondering when you finally would finish that Johnson bar.

Get a manicure.

ssuR

Great work!

That wooden tool box in the background is a beauty, too.

Just perfect - super stuff - first the workshop and now this it brings tears to my eyes - I'm taking up stamp collecting or perhaps more sleeping !
Barney

Wow. :o I can really appreciate your skill and craftsmanship. This is an outstanding build!

Cheers, Peter

What part in this build do the two large galvanised screws play then?  8)

Wonderful to see such quality modelling on this forum. It's why I log in every single day.

-MJ

That's is a beautiful piece of work.  Good thing it works or we would all be disappointed :(

I thought we would see it running?? :)

Jerry

Thanks guys!

Artizen,
The lags hold thebeam on the garage door when we get hurricanes.....

Mj

Marty,

I constantly come back to this thread so that can just look in stunned amazement at your work ....... Combines craftsmanship with beauty!

p.s. You are going to have to stop biting your nails  :D

You have my undivided attention! Simply amazing!

Philip

Nice Johnson!
and it's operational? The Mrs. must be pleased :o
MPS

Nice work Marty!

I always wondered if there was a tavern near a railroad called: The Johnson Bar, there should be anyway...

Paul

Just checking in with a quick/crappy phone picture.
I have been working on the Shay just too many distractions in my life (or too many hobbies  ;) )
Here are several projects sitting on the loco that are almost done.....

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Thanks,
marty

Sweet! That's going to look so great when it's finished.

Good to see you back at this one.  Beautiful work for sure.

I still need one of these in On3!!! :)

Jerry

Glad to see you still at it. That is some impressive machine work.

Marty, I was kidding you on the Terrapin post. I know you created those brass parts yourself. -- Russ

Built the bottom of the firebox (also hides the geartrain).
Also had to remove the incorrect queen posts to add the supports for the truss rods.

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Unc had teased me "where did you get the castings?"
I knew he was so i teased back.
Even using a resistance soldering I still clamp and weight to hold things.
Here is the headlight and stand being soldered.

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And then lit.

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Marty

Beautiful work. I like the way the headlight bracket uses the same bolts as the stack.

Thanks for enlightening us Marty!

Marty, that's nothing short of disgusting. I love it. -- Russ

Beautiful work.

Now less work on your truck and more on the Shay!!

Jerry

Marty,   Great  ;D

I am begining to hate rivets......

Do not know how this is going to hold steam
under pressure with all these holes...

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Well i plugged up all the holes!

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Then i finished the rivets.

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If anyone cares there are 115 .081" holes
Or the eqivalent of one 9.315" hole.
115 pieces of .080" styrene rod which is about 36 lineal inches.

I dont like rivets. Cant wait to build something out of wood!
Marty

Looks good MJ.  Is that the end of the rivet lesson???

But I count 114!!!! ;)

Jerry

Are you certain it isn't some variety of corn on the cob? -- Russ

36 .060" rivets at the top.
Another 48 on the smokebox.
Brings the total to 199.

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Thanks for looking.
Marty

Looking good. Are the rivets brass?

I hate rivets too. But you gotta have 'em.

Your really getting good at this.
And learning to count at the same time!!!

Jerry

Marty, Awesome! What is the deal with the wood plugs? Are you hammering them out to simulate rivets?

Philip

Marty, please excuse me, if I didn't get something: those things may look like welded stay bolts or something but not like common rounded rivets at all?

Volker

I dont know Volker. ???

I just copied what I saw in all my reference pictures and the blueprints I have.
The rivet height is half their diameter and rounded over.


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I may go back and give the tops a little flat to simulate them being "pounded",.?...

The "rivets" are styrene rod.

-Mj

Please have a look at your rivets. They all have a somewhat rounded head, but there's a shaft you won't find at the prototype - as your prototype pictures show. The visible part of rivets is a hemisphere.

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The green one roughly looks like a rivet ...

Do you have a tool for rounding them?

Volker

QuoteDo you have a tool for rounding them?

Yes!
I guess I better use it more!
Especially when magnified so much! Darn macro lens!

-Mj

Squeezing the info out one rivet at a time. Without answering my inquiry I'd quess you used a nail set to achieve the results with these wood plugs.....  :-\

Philip

First off;
Phillip;
Not sure what you are asking. The rivets are styrene rod, no wood used. as far as rounding them off I used a jewelers tool intended to round over rods.
I hope this answers your question.

Next
Volker was right! The rivet height differed greatly from one to one.
After inspection with the visor it was as obvious as his red circles.
I went back and attempted to make them all lower and the same height.
They are better but not perfect. Will post a pic after painting.
I hope once the weathering, cab, controls and all the other things are attached they will be secondary.
I should have just used the rivets from scale hardware; next time I will.

Thanks for keeping me in line guys!

-Mj

Marty
it was kind of a teenage flashback! Arug!............................
Acne!  :'( :-\
MPH

Yep Got it! thanx!

Marty -  Is there a reason for not using "store bought" fake rivets?  They're available in a wide variety of sizes and materials.

Bill Martinsen

Quote from: lab-dad on March 10, 2014, 05:16:34 PM


Thanks for keeping me in line guys!

-Mj

I keep my eyes wide open all the time!!!!

Jerry

I've found that heating the end of styrene rod rounds it over nicely.

QuoteMarty -  Is there a reason for not using "store bought" fake rivets?  They're available in a wide variety of sizes and materials.

Bill Martinsen

Bill, I was being cheap, foolish. stupid.
Pick one.

-Mj

Marty its looking good - but why did you have to wake up the "rivet counting brigade" I thought they had all gone back into hibernation in my experience with them once they emerge you just cant shake them off !! but still it keeps them happy !
Barney

Quote from: lab-dad on March 12, 2014, 05:15:32 AM

QuoteMarty -  Is there a reason for not using "store bought" fake rivets?  They're available in a wide variety of sizes and materials.

Bill Martinsen

Bill, I was being cheap, foolish. stupid.
Pick one.

-Mj

Just one?   ;)

Kind of a Trifecta of sorts?

Finally had some time this weekend.
Welded cab based on blueprints I have.
I purposely beat up and abused the sheet stock for a well used look.
The sheet scales out at .080" posts are 2" in scale.

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Thanks for looking.
Marty

This is truly art!

It had better be a working model when it's finished.

Cool! Nice to see it out in the sun.

Beautiful work Mr. Jones!!!

Jerry

Glad you found some time to work on it. -- Russ

Me too!

Very nice work

Holy shipwreck!  Dang thing just keeps getting better and better ... real nice to have an opportunity to "savor" the various stages of development.  -- Dallas

Thanks guys!
I'm really pleased with how the "welded" cab turned out.
Working on the roof now.
I ordered some of those titchy rivets, so hopefully we wont have to look at any more crappy ones!

-Mj

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Titchy ,060" rivets. Only 39. I cant wait for the tender.......... :-\

Tip;
For those that work freehand. 
I found "free" downloadable graph paper thar you can set.
I was able to use dots instead of graph to lay out the rivets as per the blueprints.

Marty

At least they'll stay dry in the cab now!!!

Beautiful job there.  Glad your making progress.  Soon it should be in the completed shop for repairs or at least a check up. ;)

Jerry

Marty,   Good to see you back at it. ;D    Only one word come's to mind...WOW

Tender cribbage anyone?

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;D Mj

Outstanding craftmanship and beauty of work.
Keep on building.
eric

Tender is finished.... for now.
I need some half round for the edge.


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Marty

Very nice work, Marty.  The rivets look great.

Bill Martinsen

Great job!

Impressive

Very nice, Marty. I especially like the rivets ;). Are you going to add some more for the handrails?

Cheers,
Volker

Hi Marty, I love it to process brass, so I also particularly like what and how you build.

Adequate. -- Russ

Lovely work.

Nice, I love the look or precise brass sheet metal work. What are you going to do for the 1/2 round? I have a jig to make it from round I can show you if you can't source it.

Paul

Excellent Marty. Rivet alignment is perfect.

Amazing progress, working with brass is very time consuming. Looks like your planing for a full load of fuel.

G0rdon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/

Beautiful work.  Your skills with metal are just outstanding.

Jerry

You drilled all those little holes? Wow. Excellent job of forming.

Thanks guys!!!!
Glad you are enjoying it.
Took some time to do. Several jugs and test runs.

Volker, yes the handrails need fasteners.

Paul, i was going to use styrene for the halfround as i dont
think brass would make the bends at the front.
I would be interested in seeing you jig for sure!

Chuck, yes i drilled all those holes, all 318!

Thanks again guys!

Marty,

Anneal the brass by heating it to dull red.  That will soften it to bend.  I have used brass tubing and split it down the length so that it fit over the work piece.

Here is one way to make half round.
Take a block of steel and drill a hole the size of your round that will become the half round. That is the hole that goes thru the long way with the piece of brass sticking in it. Then mill 2 slots across the block down to exactly the half way point of the hole diam. Make a clamping block that goes in the one slot, and make the other slot the width of the cutter you will use.

To use it, lower the cutter into the one slot and lock your spindle in place. Then bolt the clamping block in place. Turn on the spindle and push the brass rod into the hole and pass the cutter. The rod will then go under the clamping block and stay flat and be prevented from turning. Depending on the size you may need pliers to pull it thru. This one is for 1/8" and pliers were not absolutely needed but made it easier.

The hole that fits your round and the clamping block may need to be adjusted slightly to get it to work well. Anyway it works pretty well, you will get cutter marks, but they clean up easily with a flat file, and that side gets soldered down anyway.

And yes anneal it and you should be able to bend it quite easily. I'd give it try...to me it seems a shame to use styrene on that beautiful brass work you have already done!

Paul

Paul,
Kool tool!
Thank you. I will give it a whirl.

I wasnt going to post this until i painted it
but the family went nuts over it.
So here it is.

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I had hoped it would ring but alas i didnt have the guts to make it that thin.
It does swing though.

Mj

Nice job on the bell!

Even if you'd made it capable of ringing, it wouldn't sound right.

Well ring my bell!!!

Excellent work Mr. Jones!!  Do you have to paint it??

Jerry

It's handsome. Did they also go nuts over the cylinder assembly? -- Russ

They are always impressed by what i do, usually though they dont really understand what it "is".
With the bell, a shape and a "thing" everyone can identify it was easy.

I knew even if I made it thin enough it wouldn't sound right, but was hoping for a tiny "ring"

Oh well, off to play on the sandbox ;)

-Mj

As promised.
A little plumbing.
The water column is too big.
I need some .060" clear rod so i can make a new one.

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More soon but it will be a while......
Marty

Looks good MJ.  To bad you have other things to do.  But we will be looking forward to the finish of this beauty.

Jerry

Very nice!

Yay more progress!

Looking good Marty. Where did you get the valve handles for the water glass and what diameter are they.

Gordon Birrell

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Thats one hell of a bell!

Always inspirational to see your progress. -- Russ

 :o
UNCLE!  ;D

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FINALLY! getting somewhere

There's more but you will have to wait!

-Marty

Wow!  Its in the shop for a paint job.  Really looking realistic with it sitting on the jacks.

Great to see your working on this again.

Jerry

Good to see you modeling again. -- Russ

Looking splendid.

Fabulous stuff. Even the brickwork is a work of art.

Wonderful!! But where's the broom?

I've put that photo into my "keep going back to it for inspiration" file.
Les

Awesome and very impressive work Marty!

Franck

Thanks guys!
I feels GREAT to get back to this project!

Another teaser;

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(I photoshopped the rod holding it up out) ;)

Marty

Nice work, looks so clean I thought at first it was a CAD rendering.

I did too!
Very impressive.

Ditto. Satisfactory. -- Russ

me four, the lighting is so even.

The guys in the shop worked late the other night getting the deck installed.
I got a picture before they closed up for the night.

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-Marty ;D

Satisfactory and a half. -- Russ

Wow! Who's payin for the overtime  ::)
MPH

Lovely stuff - inspired realism
Barney

This gets better with every post.

Jerry

Beautiful!

We've been doing nothing BUT waiting!  Really glad to see you back at this.

I'm working, slowly but surely.
Foot boards are on, guess I need to make some polling pockets next and a million other things.....
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-Marty

Satisfactory ... so far. -- Russ

Very nice job !

Yes, very nice! abd chugging right along again.

-MJ

Slow but sure must be your motto!  Looks great.

Jerry

Just, wow.

Marty!  Marty!!  We need more pictures.

What is the hold up?? ;)

Jerry

ohhhhhhhh shinny shinny brass :o
MPH

Soon! ;)
It is killing me to paint all the brass, so there may be a few shiny pieces on it.
Look for a major update Friday or Saturday celebrating the 2 year anniversary of the thread.

-Marty

Parts for the trucks from Shapways

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More soon!
Mj

Very nice
Barney

When you get a chance, please either describe or photograph an individual part so we have an idea of how happy you are with the quality of the print. -- Russ

Another artsy fartsy tease before tomorrows update.

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Reminds me of the old joke about the light at the end of the tunnel being a train.

-Marty

you got the fartsy part down!  ::)
MPH

 ???

Jerry

Gil, go stand in the corner. -- ssuR

Well Happy 2 Year Anniversary to this thread!
I had hoped to have a lot more done to show off for this but I am very pleased with what I have been able to accomplish. Nothing is ever perfect but I'm still proud.

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Thanks to you all for the inspiration and support!

-Marty

Beautiful, really beautiful! Well done!

Congrats, Marty, looks very good!

Don't tell me you're really going to leave the brass parts that shiny ...  :-\

Volker

I agree with Volker but the model is still very impressive. -- Russ

Awesome job Marty.

Jerry

Wow! Quite the machine.

Paint! That is looking fine Marty. For me the painting/weathering is the scariest thing to start when I am doing "metal" stuff. What did you use as a primer/surface prep on the brass?

The arty shot is excellent too!

Thanks Guys!

Volker & Unc, not to worry. The brass will get the proper "patina" to match the rest of the locomotive.
I am starting with an engine in fairly good shape.
It is much easier to weather a model that unweather it!
And remember this is a "progress shot, it aint done.

The painting was done with etching primer and Scalecoat paints.
I'm using engine & loco black and their clears where appropriate.
Also some other blacks here and there.

I hope to get the engine on next............

Marty

Doh, no one ever takes photo's of Shay's from that side...what happened there???  ;D

Excellent anniversary progress though Marty!

Cheers,
Dan

Thanks Dan
The reason for pictures of "that side" was there was no engine installed!

Here is a short video of the now installed engine in operation.
I hope the link works.

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Marty

Nifty! And, now we know the rest of the story. Sounds like the engineering dept wouldn't let the public affairs photographer peek at the right side. But now all (almost?) is revealed.

An the gears go up & down.  Awesome!!!

Jerry

Happy anniversary!  Kudos on a lovely build so far.

Quote from: Hydrostat on May 22, 2015, 12:31:20 PM
Congrats, Marty, looks very good!

Don't tell me you're really going to leave the brass parts that shiny ...  :-\

Volker

Patience, my friend!
If it has not been given a coat of clear laquer it will tarnish quit nicely in a couple of years. Especially if there are chemically blackened parts anywhere near it.

The builders plates arrived yesterday!
I wasted no time in getting it installed.

Again - MANY THANKS to Volker!

Here they are just out of their little black bags;
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raw bronze, raw brass and FUD.

I ended up using the bronze. As far as I am concerned the FUD was useless for this.

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Almost done! (for now)
-Marty

That is so cool.  Nice job Volker.

Well that sure does make a loco look right.

Jerry

Looks great, Marty! You should have told me that it was going to be mounted on a rounded surface :D; it is no problem to make a bent CAD model.

What was the reason for using the bronze instead of the brass? The brass looks even a bit more crisp at the picture but this may result from lighting situation.

Volker

Most satisfactory. I award Marty and Volker the gold medal for collaborative modeling. -- Russ

Stunning! It's like you just shrank the real thing down to size.

It is my dream to one day build a loco which will be called Dazed and Confused. Dazed on one side, Confused on the other! (Long live Zoso!!!!!) Now I know where to go to get the plates made.

Those look great! Refresh me on the process? Are the metal ones lost wax cast from printed wax?

I have a part I need in metal soon, and I was planning on using the Shapeways brass process. This looks very promising.

Quote from: Chuck Doan on June 21, 2015, 09:33:14 PM
Are the metal ones lost wax cast from printed wax?

Yes, Chuck, that's the way they make them.

Volker

That looks super! Was it tricky bending the casting to the curve of the smokebox without cracking?

Thanks guys!

Volker – never occurred to me to "bend" the plate before printing.
I thought I liked the color of the bronze better than the brass. They were both pretty darn close in crispness - I did not see a difference.

I agree the SW process yields a more realistic looking part. After all the original was cast.

Also remember the plate is only ½" in diameter!
I'm going to have another printed at about 2" to put inside the cover of the book I will print with all my pictures.

I was worried about it bending but it went fine and I went easy.

-Marty

Those turned out great Marty!

Thanks Volker! That gives me more confidence for the part I need.

Looks really good Marty.

Well 122 years and one month after the "real" one was finished, so is mine.
It does run, the motor inside the boiler turns the crankshaft that in turn spins the drive shafts and eventually the bevel gears- just like Ephrim intended.
It's been a wonderful learning experience!
I hope to add the r/c system and batteries someday when I have more than 3' of track.

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Did I mention I had a Great Uncle and Cousin that worked at the Lima locomotive plant?
May be it runs in the blood?

-Marty

WOW! Nice...

Hi Marty,

a great quality, with high productivity.

That's a beautiful model, Marty.  I'm very impressed -- and jealous.

Bill Martinsen

A superb work of art. Better still that it runs!

I never knew before that the boiler is offset on the chassis?

Excellent Craftsmanship.. ;D

Very nice Marty!
Gordon Birrell

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonbirrell/

Really nice Marty! You should pose it with your Plymouth. Two beautiful and unique projects.

Holy carp, that is magnificent!! What a masterpiece!

Most satisfactory. -- Russ

Most impressive point is how you managed to knock out the background of those archive pics. I know what family business is all about. You don't deceive me, Marty, no, you don't!

Aside of the over all execution the split wood catched my eye. It's a very nice contrast to the well balanced weathering.

Volker

What a great 122 yr + 1 mo commemorative moment! It looks (and was photographed) superbly. Nice tiny subtle details all over, like the leaf on the water lid. And it runs too!

Just excellent what else can I say.

Can I order mine in ON3 now??

Jerry

Thanks guys!
The praise from you all is quite humbling. ;D

Here is a short (phone) video showing her traverse all the track that I have laid.

http://vid263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/C951211F-8915-4A7A-8EC6-398AA26C455A_zpsiyztlcvo.mp4 (http://vid263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/C951211F-8915-4A7A-8EC6-398AA26C455A_zpsiyztlcvo.mp4)

-Marty

You need more track! -- Russ

Very Nice !

Thanks looks fantastic Marty!  Most, most impressive.

Wonderful craftsmanship Marty.  Its been a pleasure to observe some of the processes behind engineering a little work of art such as this locomotive.  Time and patience has its rewards. 

Cheers,
Dan

Looks great running too. Really nice job getting all those fiddly eccentrics etc. to work.

Impressive job !

That is beautiful, Marty!

Where did the photos of the builders plates go?  I can no longer find them on this thread. 

Bill Martinsen

Marty linked to Photobucket files instead of uploading images as I've requested about a hundred times. Apparently Photobucket's server was down for a while. -- Russ

Link works fine.  How do you find out how much your book costs??

Jerry