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Title: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 12, 2012, 02:41:42 AM
I needed to get away from work and painting/weathering, so I took a couple of evenings to build the new Trumpeter kit.

It's a beautifully detailed, engineered and molded kit. Went together with minimal flash clean-up, ans only minor slot/tab and hole reaming. I liked it so much, I have a second one on the way. Texture was added with Mr. Surfacer, and additional nuts/bolts/rivets are from 'Grandt Line' and 'McLeod'.

This one will be built as scrapped/scavenged, and sytill has a long way to go,...but for now this is where I am in the build of the basic kit.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.earthlink.net%2F%7Erbadesign%2FS65_001.jpg&hash=4cb2a0b418dfba67ef01167c60bf16fa9ebcbddb)

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Marc
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: pwranta193 on March 12, 2012, 06:07:28 AM
I've just started eye-ing these from afar - good to hear that it's a nice little kit, since Trumpeter can be a bit hit and miss sometimes.  I've got this and the MiniArt Gaz-AAA on the list for an upcoming project, so I may have to drop the hammer and place the order.  This is the one that some nit-pickers are upset with because it comes with the engine covered (while most comments I've seen have are pretty darn happy with it)?
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Junior on March 12, 2012, 06:15:00 AM
Nice clean job on that one Marc. Looking forward to the progress on this one AS WELL  ;D! We all know it will look great!

Anders
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Seattle Dave on March 12, 2012, 10:23:20 AM
Hmmmm.....I bet that could be built with some small modifications to come out close to a small Cletrac in 1/24 scale too, just judging from the proportions.  Might have to pick up one of those.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Mr Potato Head on March 12, 2012, 11:46:40 AM
You probably knew this? But here's an engine upgrade: http://www.lzmodels.wbs.cz/
and:
http://www.migproductionsforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9224&p=71969#p71934
OK Marc show us the way!  ;D ;D ;D

MPH

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Ray Dunakin on March 12, 2012, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: Seattle Dave on March 12, 2012, 10:23:20 AM
Hmmmm.....I bet that could be built with some small modifications to come out close to a small Cletrac in 1/24 scale too, just judging from the proportions.  Might have to pick up one of those.

I was thinking the same thing! It definitely has some kitbashing potential for 1/24th scale.


Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 12, 2012, 11:19:37 PM
Paul; I agree on the Trumpy kits...but I was really awed by the quality of this one...better than any of the DML kits I have messed with. Screw the nit pickers...most of those guys will never build one anyway..or at the very least a high enough qaulity one where the engine will make a difference....and those that want the engine can go to LZ for it.

Gil; Thanks, yes am aware of Libors Motor....waiting for him to get the PE parts from the fabricator, so he package the kits.

Ray/Dave; I think that "The Lord of Bits & Pieces" (Gordon/gfadvance)...is already working towards bashing a model into 1/24 using this kit.

The only thing I am really dreading is building the the tracks...gaaack....each link has to be built out of three seperate pieces....each of thopse pieces has at least two sprue connectione, plus 1 to 2 overflow gate connections......simply removing them from the sprues tages forever...never mind how long it's going to take to ctrim and clean each piece (BTW...the nit pickers that are complaining about lack of engine, will probably also never build the kit, because they are likely  too lazy...or to busy arm-chair modeling, to build up these tracks.)
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: shropshire lad on March 13, 2012, 01:02:21 AM
Quote from: marc_reusser on March 12, 2012, 11:19:37 PM


The only thing I am really dreading is building the the tracks...gaaack....each link has to be built out of three seperate pieces....each of thopse pieces has at least two sprue connectione, plus 1 to 2 overflow gate connections......simply removing them from the sprues tages forever...never mind how long it's going to take to ctrim and clean each piece (BTW...the nit pickers that are complaining about lack of engine, will probably also never build the kit, because they are likely  too lazy...or to busy arm-chair modeling, to build up these tracks.)

You could always wait for Fruil Models to bring out a set of metal tracks for it .

Initially I thought that there wouldn't be any where I could use a WWII Russian crawler tractor , but then I remembered that I am ostensibly modelling Post-War German industrial narrow gauge , possibly East Germany , so I guess there is every possibility that there might have been one around . Doh!

  Looking forward to seeing this one progress ,

   Nick
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Wesleybeks on March 13, 2012, 07:01:33 AM
After seeing how cool this one is, I bought 1 this morning aswell as ordered the engine upgrade from lz models.

Im looking forward to seeing your progress Marc.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Ray Dunakin on March 13, 2012, 07:14:27 PM
Is there anywhere in the USA that sells this kit, or would I have to order from "across the pond"?
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Wesleybeks on March 13, 2012, 11:00:07 PM
Theres a couple on flea bay Ray. Thats where I got mine.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 13, 2012, 11:28:55 PM
I bought both of mine online at Great Models. Think they are somewhere on the east coast.

http://www.greatmodels.com/

Here a direct link to the kit page:

http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=TSM5538

Marc
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 14, 2012, 01:17:52 AM
As one of the main reasons for purchasing this kit , well for me , was the tracks thought a few pictures of them might help everyone else

One point .......... for reasons that I will not bore you with I have narrowed down the tracks shoes by 2mm on either side

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi232.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee275%2Fgfadvance%2FS65%2520Crawler%2FS65Crawler001.jpg&hash=e9585c020131ac1a692a456dfe33f2d07efb3f97)

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Each track is built individually, and can then be clipped together which leaves the track fully articulated.

As Marc mentioned its not quick, however have found that placing a number of the track shoes on some d/sided tape. then gluing on the internal link sides helps, you can also leave the final cleaning up on the sides until the glue sets when it is a bit easier.

But the end result is superb , wonderful tracks that compliment the quality of the rest of the kit
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on March 14, 2012, 01:43:17 AM
Hey Gordon - so that's why you've been so quiet lately? ................. Actually if you're fiddling with this as a means to transposing it to 1:24 I need to know what you're playing at.

Plus, I was aware of this kit, but didn't know it was available yet; - where did you get yours from??
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 14, 2012, 02:22:18 AM
Oh that would spoil the surprise Andi  :D

You will get it here

http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/trumpeter-135-russian-chtz-s-65-tractor-model-kit/

I have 2 and am saving up to get some more ............ its a great kit

Also interested in this when its released ............... tracks look wonderful for a crawler crane ala Priestman.

http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/emhar-135-mk-1a-whippet-wwi/
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 14, 2012, 03:12:27 AM
Gordon,

Great to see you starting to play around on this. Keep it going.

What do you mean when it's "released", on the Whippet? Are they re-releasing it? I have the EMHAR whippet kit, and the tracks are miserable...they are the old rubber-band style. I actually had to hunt down a rare out of production PE set for the tracks on this...and they are not that super either (but better than the kit ones).

Marc
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Barney on March 14, 2012, 06:35:04 AM
Emhar Whippet kit -I would not bother with unless you want rubber band tracks -Accurate Armour have some nice ones for Whippets and plate track for Mk 1V,s
Barney

http://www.accurate-armour.com/showaaproducts.cfm?category=12&subcategory=94
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 14, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
OK chaps, thanks for the warning .................. although I thought this one was a new release ?

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 14, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
Gordon, I have the Accurate Armor tracks as well....and I am usually a big fan of. AA.....but let's just say these are less than stellar....compared to the S65 tracks, they look like bumpy resin strips. They are useable if hidden/covered with copious amounts of muck. I know you could scratch a much better set.

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: james_coldicott on March 18, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Just a quick pic of a real Whippet for anyone that may be interested...

James

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Mr Potato Head on March 18, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
C'mon james! That's not a Whippet! This is a Whippet! LOL
MPH
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 18, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Oh....errrr......I thought this was "whip-it" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw   :-\

M
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: W.P. Rayner on March 18, 2012, 06:49:31 PM
Phew.... for a moment there I thought we were going to see chaps with chaps and whips... :o

Paul
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 01:40:44 AM
Rained all day yesterday, so I couldn't paint, so worked a bit more on this build.

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(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.earthlink.net%2F%7Erbadesign%2FS65_006.jpg&hash=15094d9245596056e0f3f3257cf9b58fd697b866)

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Still lots of little details and wiring to go; then comes the engine. The tracks are a lot of work (2 hours to build 11 links), but they are very nice.

The steel plate detail is just mocked-up to see how it looks. The detail came from the attached image below.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Scratchman on March 19, 2012, 01:53:30 AM
Marc great progress. That is a nice looking kit. I like the steel plate detail.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 02:09:52 AM
Thanks Gordon.

I like the plate as well, just not sure yet if I have I like the proportions...maybe have it a bit closer to the radiator. The finished one will also be of .010 styrene instead of .015.

M
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Wesleybeks on March 19, 2012, 04:17:36 AM
Fantastic stuff marc.

That ref picture is a real beauty. Will you be going for the same sort of look as it?
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: LesTindall on March 19, 2012, 05:41:00 AM
That looks a great kit and at a reaonable price.  Looks like my "scrapyard" on the diaorama is going to be rather full!    Could you bring one along next meet Gordon?    Les T
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 02:24:05 PM
Thanks Wesley. Yes, that is the general condition/look I will be shooting for on mine, however it wil not be yellow. As my timeframe is c. 1970-80s, Have not decided whether  to leave it in the russian green or German grey that it would have been from the war...or tone of those base colors with a later overpaint color...say maybe orange, red, or blue.  I personally dont like doing orange and red on heavily weathered vehicles, because the weathering doesn't "pop" as well, and it is much more digfficult to do.

Some more ref pics I am using atteched.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
Two more
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 02:31:04 PM
And two more...

Have more, but dont want to bore you guys.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Ray Dunakin on March 19, 2012, 06:34:58 PM
I recognize that last one, it's displayed with some old mining equipment in front of a motel/casino in Tonopah, NV.

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
This is what I plan on building for the second build of this kit:

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...that will leave me with plenty of great gobbits for the scrap/parts box.  ;D
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Wesleybeks on March 19, 2012, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: marc_reusser on March 19, 2012, 02:31:04 PM
And two more...

Have more, but dont want to bore you guys.

Not a chance of that happening. I have the kit on the way, so all these ref pics are a gold mine of information for me and im sure alot of others.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 20, 2012, 04:14:02 AM
Eventually will start a new thread for this but just to add to the variations for this kit this is what I am doing with it

1/24 Caterpillar Fifteen ( it might end up as a 7C Fifteen?)

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Cat Fifteen

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Cat Fifteen 7c

The basic running gear of the S65 is almost spot on for a 1/24 Cat 15, most the running gear is shared across the Cat 5, 10 and Twenty  so there are other options  ;) although layout does differ from model to model.

Obviously the body work will have to be scratched, and I am playing around modifying bits of the kit to see what would work and what will not .

Here is the kit radiator, Russian markings removed and narrowed by about 4 mm to get it closer to the body width of the "15"  ........... which meant that I then had to scratch a new fan shroud( an interesting little build  :))

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Still need to sort out new starting handle access and the radiator filler , as well as Cat name and cast lettering, etc.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Junior on March 20, 2012, 04:33:28 AM
Great start on these guys and good to see Gordon back at work! Will follow along with great interest.

Anders
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on March 20, 2012, 09:51:32 AM
Don't think I haven't spotted what you're doing Gordon. Seriously - very interested, and interesting! I'll return the compliment methinks and keep an eye out for anything I can thieve.... 'erm'....be inspired by.

Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Mr Potato Head on March 20, 2012, 10:14:05 AM
Forget the shroud of Turin! That's a great job on the radiator! Thanks for getting rid of the Ruski letters; I can't wait to see this thread!
MPH

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Ken Hamilton on March 20, 2012, 10:25:18 AM
Yeah...that fan shroud is the bomb-diggity.
It's amazing how carefully arranged basic shapes can turn into a superior piece of scratchbuilding.
Go, Gord-O, Go !!!!!
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: finescalerr on March 20, 2012, 11:53:33 AM
This is turning into a terrific thread. I like the idea of watching simultaneous builds of the same kit. -- Russ
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: TRAINS1941 on March 20, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
Looks like a great thread.  And by two no less.  Should be some good learning here.

Jerry
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: pwranta193 on March 21, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
HooYeah... great bits on both accounts (still a little bonked by the 11 links in 2 hours metric - a quick reminder of why most of my MK sets languish in the drawer).  I'm really glad to see the detail in the radiator (and what you've done to dress it up on the back side).  Again - with my experience with the Trumpy MGMC-16 - the radiator was completely devoid of detail, and that was in 1:16.  It looks like they have done this one up right.

Now toss in Libor's engine rusting away behind the barn...
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: JESTER on March 21, 2012, 11:51:49 AM
Don't know if you've seen this (it's the first thing that comes up in a search :o) but here are some clean pics: http://svsm.org/gallery/chtz-65

Some other good reference: http://svsm.org/gallery/automotive-tractors

-

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 21, 2012, 01:58:52 PM
Jester now known as Tim ;)

Many thanks for that second link , the Cat 10 album has absolutely fabulous detail included in those pics .......... especially in areas that are not normally photographed!

Going to put all on disc in case they disappear

Thanks again
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 21, 2012, 03:58:32 PM
Marc

Suggest you have a look at the second link posted by Jester, the Cat 10.

Although it has probably far too much paint on it for your tastes but its has some of the best and clearest pictures of all the wear points on the track, track rails etc that I have seen and which might prove useful to you.

You might also note the use of bolts rather than rivets on the tracks ............ sure you will happy to sand of the existing rivets and replace , 34 track shoes x 4 rivets per shoe, times two sides mmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ ::)
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 23, 2012, 11:16:42 PM
Tim;
Thanks for the links. The first one I had seen and saved all the images....the second one is new, and awsome. Thanks.

Gordon;
The shroud is awesome. Keep posting your progress.
Don't think I haven't thought about replading all those rivet heads...they are just so visually irregular, that they are getting on my nerves.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 23, 2012, 11:27:35 PM
Woohoo..got a note from 'LZ-Models' that my motor is en-route.

01001101
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 28, 2012, 12:45:18 AM
WooHoo...motor arrived today. From a quick glance it looks like a very nice kit....and quite the project to build! ;D
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on March 28, 2012, 01:07:53 AM
Kah-rikey!!!...................

Now that looks like a kit of parts in it's own right [sic-ironic]! I'm so envious; not only of your ownership - but what you will do with it, how you'll make it look............. and generally how bliddy impressive it will end up being.

As ever look forward to your posts on the build-up.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 28, 2012, 01:42:57 AM
Well Marc, you got yours before mine has arrived .......... looks like a good investment.

Anyway my back up S65 kits arrived yesterday ............." was that a delivery darling, no says I quickly putting them in storage"  ;D

Must remember to destroy credit card bill!
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 28, 2012, 02:02:05 AM
Well what do you expect Gordon....you have to deal with the local ground Posties, where-as mine came via air. ;D

I am all to familiar with that "was that a delivery?" issue.  ;D ;D

M
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 28, 2012, 02:57:26 AM
Well the engine arrived this morning ..............absolutely superb!

Looks like I am going to have to build one of these in 1/35 after all.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 28, 2012, 03:01:30 AM
Thanks Andi. Yes, it is quite the kit....looks like it will be almost as much work as the tractor kit itself. Will have a bit of modifying to do on this. Will post pics when I can get back on it.

Gordon..good to hear. ....you definitely want to do a second build...can't you hear those tracks calling you? ;D
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on March 28, 2012, 03:46:17 AM
Hey Cheps..........

Just bought my one and only tractor kit [sniff]. But mine is/will be, a definite 1/24 transposition. Seeing as it will be resident on a Dioramic [if it ever gets finished???] Estate railway base, which employs a highly eccentric [yet gifted] engineer. It will probably be built to represent one of the Cat' models but I'm so tempted to put the vintage Leyland engine in from the Routemaster bus - or even the Bedford engine from the Emhar O'series trucks.

Haven't really worked out the engineering viability of such a transplant - but I can't help but feel it's exactly the sort of thing that could take place at the "Top Yard".
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on March 28, 2012, 02:44:54 PM
Congrats!...now I really look forward to seeing your 1/24 creation....it will give that Gordon fellow a nice challenge.  ;D

M
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: narrowgauger on April 01, 2012, 08:40:31 PM
Hi Guys

in the context of Marc's excellent series on the Trumpeter kit I thought you might be interested in seeing the comparison with the similar PlusModels Caterpillar Sixty model.

Having now worked on both the PlusModels and Trumpeter kit I have to say that the Trumpeter kit is miles better, particularly the tracks which are lousy on the PlusModels product.

the model is basically built ootb, except the engine which has had a major overhaul, incuding the valve pushrods, wiring & piping.  reasonably happy with the outcome, although the weathering techniques were severely limited due to the extremely fragile nature of the resin kit.  In spite of these limitations I am reasonably happy with the outcome.

as always comments & crits are most welcome

have fun
Bernard
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: narrowgauger on April 01, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
Hi Guys

couple more shots of the Caterpillar Sixty

Bernard
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 01, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Very nice!

What was wrong with the tracks?
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on April 01, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
Looks really F.A.B, Really like the subdued colour and its very workmanlike state .................... would of liked to see larger or detail pic's though. .................. VERY very good work.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: JESTER on April 02, 2012, 06:15:08 AM
Any better pics? Most are blurry and really small. Maybe I'm getting too old!

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Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Franck Tavernier on April 02, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Nice paint job Bernard!

Franck
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 02, 2012, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: finescalerr on April 02, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
Isn't it rewarding to find such a delightfully crude and frustrating kit? That is why I so often wonder about kit modification when scratchbuilding requires little more time and delivers a far better end product.  -- Russ

I read the above on the Bedford thread and thought how true, but in my case its with a twist  :(  I can take an extremely good kit which requires no modification really to improve it  and butcher it

I.E.

Here is the start of the modified S65 track frames ............. which hopefully will end up looking close to a 1/24 Caterpillar Ten

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi232.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee275%2Fgfadvance%2FCat%2520Ten%2FS65Crawler004.jpg&hash=5f9bd83062546d351772d12405cc161937812b62)
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I did notice on the same thread the comment from Andi about the difficulty/challenge having to repeat/duplicate work ............ about to find that out as well :)
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Dave and Tammy Aarons on April 13, 2012, 12:26:46 PM
Hey all,I was working on rebuilding a Cat D-8 from SWSM's logging and tractor repair shed that was old C.Br. kit. 1/48.When I saw the chtz S-65 tractor.Just started it yesterday,and yes the engine upgrade is in the mail from LZ. Didn't notice this thread till today. Being a retired/,disabled auto tech,who did major engine repair,loved the LZ kit,which is almost identical to the early Cat D-13000 inline 6 cylinder diesel.Yes it does resemble a Cat. I too will try to post some pics in future.

Dave
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: billmart on April 13, 2012, 01:38:34 PM
Gordon - What material did you use for the springs?

Bill Marrtinsen
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 13, 2012, 02:18:59 PM
Hi Bill, spring was made out of 1/24 spark plug wire, would round a 30thou rod   ............ it looks to me very like the stuff you get in telephone cables
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on June 02, 2012, 02:56:13 AM
Kind of bumping this into the conciousness of the board to see if anyone has made any headway, or has interesting news or updates they want to share - and mainly because I'm seriously thinking about opening the box on this one myself and after the Bedford I'm selfishly looking for a bit of a inspiration and guidance............ anyone?

PS, Mines not going to be a slavish factory stock or even Rep' stock build - rather a Phantom build to suit my requirements at the Top Yard - got a few ideas for making it cute and funky but nothing too grandiose - [heaven forbid I couldn't stand the angst].

In fact I'm going to go this very minute .................. to glue the engine halves together.............
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on June 02, 2012, 02:57:27 AM
Well unless you bought the after market engine you are going to be hunting for a long time in that box for the engine half's  :D

Look forward to seeing what you come with Andi, I have 2 that are "very" slowly making progress and probably like yours have been converted to 1/24 ish
M
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on June 02, 2012, 03:01:32 AM
No progress for me either,

But this info I posted on the MIG forum, may be something to give you a tad bit of impetus to build and partake:  ;D ;D

I received an email from Rick Lawler (Mig USA) today, with the anouncement, that to show their support for the forum members and the group build, MIG Productions has very generously offered a prize package, for the best model to come out of this GB.

Models will be judged by select members of Mig Productions (Spain) staff, master modeler and painter Jose Brito, and me.

Below is what the prize package will contain:



(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.migproductionsforums.com%2FphpBB3%2Fdownload%2Ffile.php%3Fid%3D9624%26amp%3Bt%3D1&hash=e13e7a7f04ac021dfd5252be4a2a52417abe5a00)


T-Shirt MIG
Dvd. Vol 1
P249 Pigment Fixer
P239 Thinner for washes
P411 Standard Rust Effects
P226 FRESH MUD PIGMENT SET
P227 RUST & SMOKE PIGMENT SET
P220 Dark Wash
P300 Earth Wash
P301 Warm White Wash
P418 Warm grey for Panzer Grey
ABT320 Weathering Oil
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on June 02, 2012, 03:52:29 AM
Thanks for the link and info' Marc.
I've actually made an attempt to join, and await my "live" status. Had a quick look round and there's some talented builders on that site [It's new to me] and quite a few known villains too [Gordon]! It's amazing every time I finally arrive at a place every bugger else seems to have been there for ages - a guy could get paranoid you know!! [smiling of course].

The thread looks to be really interesting - and varied enough to keep me amused for some considerable time; should provide more than enough inspiration and encouragement. It remains to be seen whether I feel able to contribute in spite of what looks to be a fantastic prize offer - never the less could be good................ if only for the craic.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on June 02, 2012, 12:41:51 PM
Andi, you have been approved.

Now let's see you work your magic.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Wesleybeks on November 21, 2012, 05:00:36 AM
Hi guys.

Does anyone know if there is replacement set of metal tracks out for this kit? The kit ones seem like a pain in the @ss to build. Building them would be my last resort if no replacements are available.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on November 21, 2012, 02:04:14 PM
Building the tracks is a "rite of passage" (to the looney bin).

Not aware of anyone that makes them.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Wesleybeks on November 21, 2012, 11:57:53 PM
Thanks Marc. Off to the looney bin I go then.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: finescalerr on November 22, 2012, 01:13:06 AM
The problem with using links to images in your posts is that they sometimes don't work. In this case, the link to an image on the Mig Forum is only viewable if you are a member. Marc, you are a bad boy and must stand in the corner.

Regarding scratchbuilt treads, they are the norm among paper modelers and nothing I would enjoy tackling. One needs an extreme amount of patience and a masochistic personality ....

Russ
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 22, 2012, 03:30:28 AM
Wesley, building the tracks are not that bad  just a bit of planning and a degree of patience

The kit tracks are built from only 3 pieces to each complete shoe and there are 6 complete shoes on each of the track spruces . I tackled one spruce at the end of each modelling session or when waiting for something else to dry  ....... piece of d/sided tape  place main shoe on it then clean up and place the 2 side pieces touch of liquid glue and leave overnight to dry, then final clean up. Honest it like a lot of things you imagine in life, in reality its not that bad and you will love the finished effect.

Its still a lot easier than scratch building tracks

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi232.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee275%2Fgfadvance%2FHanomag%2520KV50%2520circa%25201938%2FHanomagK55029.jpg&hash=bc9726c9d83e06bc82fe40dc97409af226514e89)
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on November 22, 2012, 04:09:17 AM
QuoteHonest it like a lot of things you imagine in life, in reality its not that bad...

Gordon is lying.....they are about as much fun and painless to do as a daily root canal, while getting a prostate exam......both of which I find preferrable to having to build the second of the track-sets I still have to do.

Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: chester on November 22, 2012, 07:20:22 AM
Quote from: marc_reusser on November 22, 2012, 04:09:17 AM
QuoteHonest it like a lot of things you imagine in life, in reality its not that bad...

Gordon is lying.....they are about as much fun and painless to do as a daily root canal, while getting a prostate exam......both of which I find preferrable to having to build the second of the track-sets I still have to do.



And yet, you will.
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 22, 2012, 07:49:46 AM
Ah the snap of the rubber glove ;D.  Reminds me of a certain trip via Customs


Well lets ignore my hurt feelings over the slur on my integrity, your comment Marc implies that you have already completed one set ............... So can we see how far along you are with it !
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: W.P. Rayner on November 22, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: marc_reusser on November 22, 2012, 04:09:17 AM
they are about as much fun and painless to do as a daily root canal, while getting a prostate exam......

The dentist/proctologist combination is a medical office to be avoided at all costs...

Paul
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: marc_reusser on November 22, 2012, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: gfadvance on November 22, 2012, 07:49:46 AM
Well lets ignore my hurt feelings over the slur on my integrity, your comment Marc implies that you have already completed one set ............... So can we see how far along you are with it !

Sure mock me, when you know darn well that I am up to my privates in boat hull building...the CHTZ is no further than it was 6 mo. ago.....interestingly, neither is the paint work on your 1/24 crawler.   :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 22, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
Touché


But it is an old photo  ;)
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Andi Little on November 25, 2012, 01:30:46 PM
Just picked this up again after some considerable time - posting mainly to prove I is builded the tracks too!
Not too bad actually - just a case of organising ones-self, I built with the liquid Revell glue ... and in a sort of staggered assembly line fashion so that the previous point of assembly had had time to go off: making it easier to build in the hand [always my preferred method as I always get jigs and things wrong].

Anyway - and by way of proof ...........

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi180.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx248%2FAndismodelpages%2FYard%2520Tractor%2FYard-Tractor2.jpg&hash=1b8be64f56f6ca5b3b687d38468cb47940be3684)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi180.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx248%2FAndismodelpages%2FYard%2520Tractor%2FYard-Tractor-3.jpg&hash=6bd2e1dfb212c9a4ad2276c2f9f41ae65d802e7f)


Ooops - sorry - this is the one you wanted.

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This whole way of building is a bit new to me so I'm struggling to get things built in the right order for the particular paint effect that I'm trying to emulate - s'ard innit?

Still struggling to come up with a suitable colour topcoat - trying to get the front seat out of an old "Jag" to fit out back and I'm not so sure a flathead V8 is a suitable engine replacement?? - looks a bit toooo Hotroddy!
Anyhoo - just thought I'd let you know that neither me nor the model had flat-lined - [yet]!
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on November 26, 2012, 12:10:46 AM
Looking good Andi, glad to see you are finding some bench time.

Can't remember if we have discusussed this before but engine wise how about the 6 cylinder job out the Chevrolet Pickup ....... Think Revell  are now producing it, it's a really nice detailed engine
Title: Re: Russian ChTZ S-65 Tractor
Post by: finescalerr on November 26, 2012, 12:39:19 AM
I predict the model will look very good when you complete it. Looks fine so far. -- Russ