Am having great difficulty analyzing the sole image I have ( from the 1919 Car Builders Cyclopedia ) of the subject cars' top rail. It "appears" to be almost a horizontal rectangular Z shape based soley on light and shadow analysis. Does anyone know of a better source for an image or drawings for this car?
Thanks
Cheers from the Heart of the Continent
MT Hopper
I have an actual 1918 Gregg Co. catalog...if you can post a pic of the car you are s[eaking of I will dig out the catalog and see if the car is in it...if so I can post the catalog cut.
Marc
Thank you Marc. This is the subject cane car.
Here is an enleged view of the top railing
I'll check the catalog. Don't know how good the image will be if there is one. From your's it does look like a "z" or a pair of lapped "L"s.
I do know that I have a catalog cut showing the design/construction of the standard Gregg steel frame, for their cars, if you can use that also.
Marc
Quote from: marc_reusser on February 01, 2011, 01:13:45 AM
I'll check the catalog. Don't know how good the image will be if there is one. From your's it does look like a "z" or a pair of lapped "L"s.
I do know that I have a catalog cut showing the design/construction of the standard Gregg steel frame, for their cars, if you can use that also.
Marc
The catalogue cut would be great! Thanks Marc!
I've been after the Confluente because it seems to have been the prevalent design used in Cuba during the 1930 to 1945 time period,
The latticed end supports seem to always be on the cars in old photos.
Once again thanks for your help, much appreciated sir.
Will
Still need to dig out the catalog file for the whole car images....but here are the applicable pages dealing with the car frames and one of the pages dealing with the trucks, that I had on hand.
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(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.earthlink.net%2F%7Erbadesign%2FGregg_Trucks_page82.jpg&hash=686c45dc0c0a1cb8ced23d220f80f0b63e663f84)
HTH,
M
Wow! Great images Marc - thanks for uploading these.
Thank you Marc for posting the catalogue cuts.
Will
Sweet stuff Marc. I just love the old airbrushed renderings. Artistic and technical at the same time. 'Course the details for modeling are useful too.
John
OK...sorry for the delay. Finally dug out my scans of the catalog and cropped and sized them for here.
Gregg has about 100 cane cars, but these three are the ones in the style type you are probably asking about,. these are what Gregg terms as their "Gregg Standard Cane Car: For unloading with chains"...and have the structure/design you are after. Thwo of them are all steel, and the the third one is steel and wood (I threw that one in just for interest)
Look at the tables on the sheet, and it will give you the general dimensions and specs for the specific car tonnage.
Looking at the three detail images it appears that the top rail seems to be a simple "L" piece
Car #1:
Detail of Car #1:
Car 2:
Car 2 Detail:
Car #3:
Detail Car #3:
I went back and looked at the original pic and top rail you posted, and interestingly that is the top rail design found on the Gregg "Side Unloading" cars.......yet in your image the stakes are fixed and riveted like on the top unloading cars (note also in your image the vertical flange is only on one side in your image...this is common of the side unloading cars). I could not find any top unloading car that matched the top detail in your image.....most curious.....I wonder if the illustrator had an "off" day, or liquid lunch, when he drew it.....or it could be a car that's not in the catalog such as one that was custom fabricated for a specific client (this was a common thing for companies like Gregg to do).
Other than that top rail (and Gregg logo) the car in your image is pretty much a dead ringer for the "Car #2" I posted above.
M
Thank you VERY much for the catalogue cuts Marc. Despite the original cut with the rectangular Z top rail, all the photos I have seen of rubbished old Cuban cane cars, have in fact appeared to have an L shaped top rail. I'll go with the custom car theory followed by the liquid lunch. Again merci beaucoup Msr Marc.
Cheers
Will
I have seen many photos of the Cuban cars with the "Z" rail as well.....but I believe they were all side unloading...some were being used as top unloading cars. .....regardless, I look forward to seeing your build; cane cars have been a long-time favorite of mine.
What scale are you planning to build in?
Marc
Hello Marc. Thanks again for you efforts. In reply to your question, O scale. I am tempted to also try it in 1-35th so my abuilding Gemeinder has something to pull but then I'd have to fudge the gauge down from 30 inch to 24 inch so I am more than hesitant about the latter scale.
Cheers from the Heart of the Continent
Will