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Title: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 25, 2010, 07:27:46 AM
AKA the paddlewheel I'm making for my Fantastical Fish-Shaped Submersible build-up. This will be part of the base scenery and sub support along with other shipwreck stuff. Build-up details on the link:

( Should these fish-sub builds go in Maritime Modeling? :D )

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffichtenfoo.net%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2Fpaddlewheel-02.jpg&hash=b4405c32f7010acd13b1eb4d7e82a5597f112a2c)
Title: Re: Four-Story Spanking Machine
Post by: finescalerr on September 25, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
Nice info in the link. You never stop creating. Glad you're here. -- Russ
Title: Re: Four-Story Spanking Machine
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 25, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
Thanks Russ! Yeah, not sure if it's an addiction or a mental illness. Some would say they're one and the same.
Title: Re: Four-Story Spanking Machine
Post by: lab-dad on September 27, 2010, 01:57:07 PM
I couldn't look at this at work, apparently the title set off the decency alarms!  ??? ::)
go figure! ???
Good info on your site, looking forward to this coming together after seeing Vinny.

can you go into a little more detail on the hex slices?
I fear I would waste more than I was able to use.
-Marty
Title: Re: Four-Story Spanking Machine
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 27, 2010, 02:18:12 PM
Ooh... I'll change the titles soon to avoid that. Thanks for the heads up!

Plastruct makes hexagonal styrene rod in various diameters. By making thin slices, it makes fantastic bold-heads. Just use a utility blade to slice off bits of rod, then glue to your subject. a quick sanding after the glue dries cleans up the edges and smooths them out better. I used a ton on the Dampfrich (and the fish sub):

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/the-dampfrich/
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on September 27, 2010, 09:36:06 PM
Oh darn... I liked the "spanking machine" title though I must admit I did expect to see some of Russ's thong-clad cutie office assistants...  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on September 28, 2010, 12:54:55 AM
The bikini girls were here today, Paul, eager to cater to my every whim.

I really like that Dampfrich, uh, thing. Beautifully crafted and finished.

Russ
Title: Re: Four-Story Spanking Machine
Post by: Philip Smith on September 28, 2010, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: finescalerr on September 25, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
Nice info in the link. You never stop creating. Glad you're here. -- Russ

yes indeed! can't wait to see this wheel!

Philip
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: lab-dad on September 28, 2010, 10:46:45 AM
Thanks!
now I can follow along while I am "supposed" to be working!
-mj
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 28, 2010, 04:30:34 PM
I just took some pics and will resize/upload them later.

I finished gluing the paddlewheel's components together today so structurally it's done. It's rusted and the wood is weathered and now I get to figure out how to do the various marine encrustations and life. I've got some plans though based on a few trips to the pet store for visual reference as well as my usual Google image search and a serendipitous showing (which I promptly DVR'd) of the sinking of the aircraft carrier Oriskany to be an artificial reef.

It's amazing how much sealife accumulates in such a short time period and how much there is to depict in just a few square yards of a reef system as I want to depict.

I picked up some fine ballast (light gray and brown) and light cinders. These I'll mix with some finer grit, sort of semi-opaque pigment and matte gel medium to create a general crust on the rocks and objects like the paddlewheel and anchor/chain. I'll dust parts of the crust with some greenish pigment powders for a general algae. I also have some auto-interior flocking in a few greens, white, and gray, that I'll mix to get some fluffy algae texture.

I also have some very fine turf that I picked up the other day by AMSI which is either an awful gray green on purpose or by color-fading. Either way it's just the color I need to mix with other turfs (and Jute/cotton fibers) to create thicker strands of seaweed and algae growths. Some Woodland Scenics snow will be colored with acrylic for other brown and red growths seen in my reference. That stuff is crap for snow, but fantastic when mixed for flowers. (see below)

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/shadow-of-the-minotaur/

EDIT: see also my Dagobah Dio for the seaweed on the X-Wing... that technique I'll also use:
http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/dagobah-diorama/

I have a one-off PE sheet in the works with some starfish, fan coral, and anemone tops on order. If it works out, I may make it a product to go with my subs. I also picked up a bag of super tiny, but real shells at Michaels. Some are less than 1/8" and will work nicely. Other corals and seaweeds will be made from clay, Britta filter beads, lichen, and tissue most likely. I also ordered some resin fish in 1/35 for the scene.

Debris-wise will be the paddlewheel, an anchor and chain, snagged rope/wires/lines, maybe a bottle, perhaps I'll make a lobster trap to snag in there as well.

Aside from the coral and rocks, there will be some sand on the base. I did rippled sea-floor successfully before so I think I just need to figure out what I want to use for the actual sand. I'll either use some real "decor sand" which is pretty fine, but probably too large, or some of the powdered titanium oxide grit I got at harbor freight for my air eraser sprinkled on over a matte medium base for texture then airbrushed in an ocean floor sand color. Something light warm gray. Here's my last attempt at rippled sand:

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/round-buckler/

Anyway.... that's my plans and I'll probably add more to it. The trick will be that as seen from under water, things will not necessarily be glossy. I've seen people gloss everything under the sea before and that just doesn't look right.



Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 28, 2010, 07:37:23 PM
A few images
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: marc_reusser on September 29, 2010, 12:15:26 AM
Whoa!  Beautious and bodacious!

Marc
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on September 29, 2010, 01:17:39 AM
Uh, what he said. -- Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: marc_reusser on September 29, 2010, 03:00:48 PM
FWiW...for those that do the FaceBook, Michael has new "FichtenFoo" page, where he has around 150 photos of his finished projects....some new and shiny..some old and worn....but all worth looking at.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/FichtenFoo/112462068814700 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/FichtenFoo/112462068814700)


M
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Frederic Testard on September 29, 2010, 03:20:11 PM
That's a beauty!
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on September 30, 2010, 08:38:38 AM
Quote from: marc_reusser on September 29, 2010, 03:00:48 PM
FWiW...for those that do the FaceBook, Michael has new "FichtenFoo" page, where he has around 150 photos of his finished projects....some new and shiny..some old and worn....but all worth looking at.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/FichtenFoo/112462068814700 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/FichtenFoo/112462068814700)


M


Wow Marc, you work fast! LOL!

Added more progress on the build-up.

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Philip Smith on October 01, 2010, 06:01:24 AM
Sidewheeler paddle turned out nice! Great SBS explaining your alternate circle cutting method.


Philip  8)
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 02, 2010, 06:36:10 PM
Thanks Phillip!

Progress and much gunk added:

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/ (http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/)

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Malachi Constant on October 02, 2010, 07:02:58 PM
Ooooooh ... great looking paddlewheel and wonderful composition on the diorama base.

Cheers,
Dallas
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 02, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
Wow!! That looks great! I love the ripples in the sand, very natural looking. And the speckled texture is great too -- until I read how you did it, I thought you used real sand. Also like all the growths and crud on the wheel.

Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: chester on October 03, 2010, 06:19:02 AM
Wonderful work! I know this isn't discussed much here but I really like the look of the sides of the base.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on October 03, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
This is troubling. The rest of us struggle with normal ground cover and you already have advanced to undersea representations.

Go stand in the corner.

Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 03, 2010, 01:55:58 PM
Thanks guys! I'm pretty happy with the results so far myself. It's definitely better than the first time I tried an undersea scene years ago.

Russ: Thanks! It's interesting to model something that's usually not attempted like this and I've learned a lot in the process. I think that modeling different subjects such as this generally increases the modeling skillset as a whole since you need to come up with new solutions for the new problems. The reef crud for example was based on a prior moss tutorial I made years ago, but heavily modified for this piece. The TP for the ochre corals was something I never tried before. I've never had luck using the TP for tarps and such as others have, but for this it was perfect.

I'll get to try this again at some point with the next sub design so hopefully I can improve it even further.

Almost makes me want to have an underwater themed group build (something we do at my boards occasionally) where we can all bounce ideas off each other and learn some new tricks.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on October 03, 2010, 04:15:34 PM
Michael, we're going to have to start calling you Robert Ballard... ;) Have never seen an underwater scene modelled before... watching this come together is a real treat... great job.

Paul
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 03, 2010, 04:28:59 PM
Thanks! I've only seen one from a preview/promo scan of a book and it's pretty cool. I'll try to attach images of it.

EDIT: It' a well-done build, but it could had gone further IMO... there's only one type of plant, the rock I see looks like it's covered in moss, and there's no fish! Gotta have fish to really sell it. LOL!
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on October 03, 2010, 04:45:32 PM
Yeah I agree... it's a cool concept, but, at first glance, I don't get the sense that it's underwater...

Paul
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: marc_reusser on October 03, 2010, 08:23:46 PM
Ha!...thanks for those two pics...I have never seen that model in it's original "un-photoshopped" appearance.....very interesting.  If I recall, there was a guy that did quite a underwater dio of a diver diving on a sunken WW2 plane, and it was in a sealed glass box, filled with colored/tinted shampoo (if memory serves), to create the illusion/color of a pacific Island lagoon.


Marc
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 04, 2010, 10:34:30 AM
I actually started adding even more corals based on this video and feedback from an underwater archeology student who's been following the build and giving me feedback. There's a LOT of color to be had here... almost like an underwater flower bed... really amazing. (3:20 - 3:30 specifically)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbN161yBBGA&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: DaKra on October 05, 2010, 12:16:05 PM
I like your version, its a fantasy piece, but still believable in its own way.  The rippled sand is great, and the subtle details are balanced and do not overwhelm.   Perfect.

The sunken Kriegsfischkutter boat is really nice, but all that clutter and a bicycle, too?  Speaking personally, the flak gun doesn't do anything for the model.  A fishing boat is an honorable vessel and does not need a flak gun to justify building a model of one!   Again just my personal reaction.   Its a very well made model. 

Dave

Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: JohnP on October 05, 2010, 08:34:33 PM
Michael, please call the mother ship and go back to your home planet with its creatively advanced modeling civilization and its highly accelerated time warp. ;D

How do you work so fast? Do these ideas form in your mind as a whole or do you just start and don't look back?

I'm serious with the questions. It may be something akin to when I go out with my 4x5 camera. Sometimes, I cannot see an image anywhere. Other times, they pop out at me and generally on the best ones I set the camera, don't have to move it, and I get what I envisioned. Your modeling work that way?

Thanks, John
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 06, 2010, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: DaKra on October 05, 2010, 12:16:05 PM
I like your version, its a fantasy piece, but still believable in its own way.  The rippled sand is great, and the subtle details are balanced and do not overwhelm.   Perfect.

The sunken Kriegsfischkutter boat is really nice, but all that clutter and a bicycle, too?  Speaking personally, the flak gun doesn't do anything for the model.  A fishing boat is an honorable vessel and does not need a flak gun to justify building a model of one!   Again just my personal reaction.   Its a very well made model. 

Dave



Thanks! Yeah, that and all the military gear used as debris is distracting. To me that is almost laziness as it's readily available stowage stuff. More interesting would had been barrels, shoes, fishing gear, etc... I too think the flak looks way out of place. Otherwise the boat itself is awesome.

Quote from: JohnP on October 05, 2010, 08:34:33 PM
Michael, please call the mother ship and go back to your home planet with its creatively advanced modeling civilization and its highly accelerated time warp. ;D

How do you work so fast? Do these ideas form in your mind as a whole or do you just start and don't look back?

I'm serious with the questions. It may be something akin to when I go out with my 4x5 camera. Sometimes, I cannot see an image anywhere. Other times, they pop out at me and generally on the best ones I set the camera, don't have to move it, and I get what I envisioned. Your modeling work that way?

Thanks, John

I just kind of focus and push through it, although at the moment I'm feeling a little burned out... I need some inspiration or something to get back into the mood. I think once I start painting the fish I'll feel better, I just need to sand the little rascals. I've been adding more coral and it's a sloooooow process.

I get an idea in my head, sometimes I sketch it and others like this base, I just let form on their own adding things where they seem most appropriate. I usually call it "modeling by the seat of my pants". A lot of my scratchbuilds are done that way. The ones you've seen made into kits are the winners, while I have a huge box of half-built losers that I use as filler and fodder for other builds.

With nature and natural settings, it's best to let the chips fall where they may. Otherwise it looks to produced. Nature is random and abhors a vacuum. Not sure what the latter has to do with this, but it sounds cool.  ;) References help a great deal, but artistic license plays a huge roll as well.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: JohnP on October 07, 2010, 09:02:51 AM
I guess I've had too much Six-Sigma, Kaizen and process control experience to allow myself to "go with the flow". Maybe there's some other way to release my Inner Self, shut of the CAD and build something.

Actually, I had fun making beautiful trees in 1:160 a while back and writing about it for N-Scale mag. I have been wondering how to do it in 1:48. Trees don't have rivets, do they? ???

Maybe you've cured me FitchenFoo, without an intervention.

John
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 07, 2010, 09:09:28 AM
Trees are fun! Try this method:

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/hardboiled-afs/

You can use the really nice "horsehair foliage" from Silflor. Noch flake foliage over bark-tinted pulled-cotton will also work. Similar to this "seaweed", but thinner, more teased and stretched out strands to build up bulk to hold the leaf flake.

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/in-progress-%C2%BB-dagobah-diorama-%C2%BB-seaweed/
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: JohnP on October 07, 2010, 07:40:12 PM
Hey why no photos of the Dagobah scene with a blue filter and some dry ice gasses floating around? The early Star Wars were fun to look at because those were real models from tiny to 1:1. Nice job on that diorama, brings me back to my first big screen viewing.

I have been ogling the newest and latest in scenery products. The Scenic Express catalog is a handy reference. 'Course I can still recall the delicious odor of a fresh box of Life-Like lichen on Christmas and birthdays, the steaming vat of real Maine lichen I treated once, then the miracle of ground foam. In 1:48 I should be able to enjoy the latest textures more than in 1:160 previously.

Anyway, it's your thread Fitch, thanks!

John
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on October 08, 2010, 12:45:30 PM
Lichen definitely has a distinct odor. Not unpleasant or anything, but earthy and distinct. I forgot until I took my bag of it out of a drawer to use some for this coral. The smell stays in the drawer, but not in the zip-lock.

Definitely try the wire trees though... they'll slice your hands a bit, but worth the effort.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 18, 2010, 10:21:18 AM
I'M BAAAACK!

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/ (http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/)

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on November 18, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
That is insane. I like it. Please do not seek therapy. -- Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Philip Smith on November 18, 2010, 07:16:38 PM
What kind of license do you need to command that? FDL? ::)
I like the button tuck seat! Was that a stock casting or add on?

Philip :)
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 18, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
Thanks guys. I made the seat for the master from styrene, epoxy putty, and the same balls I used for the rivets so every kit's got one. :) I'm building this OOB so those waiting for the 2nd edition to be available will know what they're getting.

Oh, and I got an email from my caster and he'll be starting the 2nd ed. casts for me in a few weeks. WOO HOO!
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 18, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Very nice, definitely has that elegant Victorian/steampunk look.

Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 19, 2010, 02:01:26 PM
Thanks! Now I'm having fun with Mr. Metal Color's buffable paints and the mounting hold for the sub to attach to the base.

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Malachi Constant on November 20, 2010, 01:31:16 AM
Wow!  The sub interior is outrageously cool and the metal work is shaping up beautifully ...

Cheers,
Dallas
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: DaKra on November 20, 2010, 06:23:22 AM
Looks great.  How much of the gold finish is the paint, and how much is the actual brass? 

Dave
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 20, 2010, 10:10:11 AM
Thanks guys!

Quote from: DaKra on November 20, 2010, 06:23:22 AM
Looks great.  How much of the gold finish is the paint, and how much is the actual brass? 

Dave

I sanded away the paint and primer so that's the bare brass. There may be a hint of green primer and the bronze paint left in the very fine initial sanding scratches, but not enough to do anything more than filter the color.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 21, 2010, 05:15:17 PM
Here's the latest progress. Engine painting and copper plating!

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on November 21, 2010, 05:35:28 PM
Satisfactory. -- Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: marc_reusser on November 21, 2010, 10:51:01 PM
Very Cool!

Thanks aslo for all the info and research.



Marc
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 22, 2010, 07:09:49 PM
Thanks guys! Here's some more... I painted the brass on the portholes and such.

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Malachi Constant on November 22, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Good Gawd, that thing is amazing!  Can only imagine the one that got away ...

Unbelievable (outstanding) finishes ...

Cheers,
Dallas
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 22, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
That is so cool and beautiful! I love the various metallic surfaces.

Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on November 23, 2010, 12:34:12 AM
Superlative deleted. -- Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 23, 2010, 08:49:34 AM
Thanks guys! I wish my paint order was here, but instead I get to sit on my hands rather than painting the fins. Bummer. I need to get them painted so I can assemble them prior to weathering.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: JohnP on November 23, 2010, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: FichtenFoo on November 23, 2010, 08:49:34 AM
prior to weathering.
NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't weather it! Make another one and weather it but save this one and post huge photos of. So I can sit and stare and wonder in amazement. It is so beautiful as it is. Incredible job sir.

John
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on November 23, 2010, 11:53:48 AM
John's idea ain't bad. Maybe something to think about .... -- Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 23, 2010, 05:48:14 PM
Believe me, I'm very torn. It looks beautiful as is, but weathering it will make it fit the sunken base. I did already add the post hole afterall. The weathering will hopefully enhance and not take away. And regardless, this won't be my last one of these to build.  ;)

The weathering will be a slight dark splotchiness (seen in the copper bust tutorial I posted) as well as some patina. I intend to keep as much metal sheen as I can. No worries about mud since it'll be underwater.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on November 23, 2010, 09:37:08 PM
Gorgeous piece Michael. It reminds me of an antique pocket watch, beautiful to look at with exquisite mechanical details. I tend to agree with John and Russ, save this one as is, unweathered with it's existing patina and do another weathered version for the diorama. Afterall, you know where to get a second version...  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: marc_reusser on November 23, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
Unfortunately I tend to agree about the weathering...I almost just want to see this one on a stand under one of those glass dome things (bell jars) you see in museums.

The one by the paddle wheel dio should IMO be more muted and with some kind of blue grey cast to give that feeling of being underwater. ...

...but I'm one to talk....Im still keeping it in the box for lack of courage to build it.

M

Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on November 24, 2010, 07:09:29 AM
You guys are acting like I can't replicate this later.  :P :D

Again I *would*, but it's already got the unsightly square hole on the right hand side for mounting to the base. I added myself to the 3rd Edition list to do another of these very clean. Maybe my wife will even let me display it in the living room. LOL!

Anyone know where I can find a suitable bell jar cheap?

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: DaKra on November 24, 2010, 08:36:27 AM
Michael's should have the big bell jars.   I got one there some years back.   I actually liked the look of the model in the primer coat better than the copper finish.  It looked like riveted iron, which is what I would expect for an early submarine.       

Dave

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 05, 2010, 05:08:16 PM
Here's the latest. Sorry guys, but I had to weather that copper!

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffichtenfoo.net%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F12%2FSubPaint-24.jpg&hash=9c6aab2b57ccd3a9075759255e81e8573baa5ff4)

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 05, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Added a new image which better shows off the effect.

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Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Ray Dunakin on December 05, 2010, 07:34:21 PM
Holy cow, that looks great! The slightly-oxidized metallic surface is perfect!
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Malachi Constant on December 05, 2010, 08:08:14 PM
Further evidence that the fish is a great design .... looks great all shiny & pretty ... looks great all dingy & dirty ... and I can't decide which I like better.  Just dang cool ...

And really looking forward to the finished dio ...

Cheers,
Dallas
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: finescalerr on December 06, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
No less satisfactory than previously. -- Russ
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 06, 2010, 07:07:02 AM
Thanks guys! Hopefully the ones that wanted shiny aren't too disappointed.  :D I'm pretty pleased with the results so far. It's funny that after all those swatches and testing I didn't use any of those patina methods and went with oil paints instead. I like to think that the other methods taught me as much about what not to do as they did on how to get it looking right and with the least chance of randomness. I liked the pigment method, but the results would had been random and oils gave me more control.

Now I want to do something else with a more developed patina.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: clevermod01 on December 06, 2010, 08:54:17 AM
that's a great finish. I like the mix of metal types.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: Chuck Doan on December 06, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
I prefer it this way. Very nice!
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 06, 2010, 08:11:05 PM
Thanks guys! It's all done so hopefully final pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on December 06, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
That's a terrific finish Michael... spot on. You've certainly set the finish standard very high for this model. Looking forward to photos of the sub in place on the diorama.

Paul
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: JohnP on December 07, 2010, 06:32:31 AM
Where's my Brasso???? ;)

John
Title: Re: Sunken Paddlewheel
Post by: marc_reusser on December 07, 2010, 11:05:42 AM
WoW!....I retract my earlier gripes and groans......the patina finish is beautiful.


Marc
Title: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 07, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
All done and photographed. My best yet! 8)

http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/fish-shaped-submersible-build-up/

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Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Hauk on December 07, 2010, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from: FichtenFoo on December 07, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
All done and photographed. My best yet! 8)

An absolutely superb combination of craftmanship and creativity!

With great respect,
Hauk
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Chuck Doan on December 07, 2010, 03:44:28 PM
"With great respect", yeah me too!  Just a pure pleasure to watch come together and now to see the finished work. That blue photo is just awesome.
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Frederic Testard on December 07, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
Yes, the last pic is great, Michael!
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: finescalerr on December 07, 2010, 05:55:35 PM
What's the big deal? All his models are superb. What else did you expect? -- Russ
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: JESTER on December 07, 2010, 06:06:37 PM
Very Nice!! Did you scratch build the oval name plate?

-
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on December 07, 2010, 07:30:01 PM
Beautiful job Michael... photos are excellent and absolutely convincing. Though, I am curious how you got Angelina Jolie's lips in the porthole?  I realize it's the leather seat but in the first photo it looks like a big pair of lips... ;D

Paul
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Ray Dunakin on December 07, 2010, 08:59:43 PM
Bravo!!

More pics, please!
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: JohnP on December 08, 2010, 05:34:54 AM
Indeed more pics please! This is beyond comprehension. The photo with the paddlewheel looks like the best CG artist made it. The whole deal demonstrates a mastery of the finishing arts. It is a unique and complete concept carried out with great intent. And he showed us all how to do it.

Thanks
John
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 08, 2010, 06:56:24 AM
Wow, thanks guys! Quite the accolades!  ;D Now go build yours! I want to see! Also check out the Group build on my forum (http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?board=46.0). So far just one other build-up on-going but it's really great! A racer version.

The CG image was fun to make. I recalled watching how they made scenes from "The Hunt for Red October" and "The Abyss" so used those memories to do this. I didn't want to use smoke, so added that haze in photoshop. Making adjustment layers to desaturate and add blue helps. Also messing with the contrast, using wave and ripple filters for the lighting effects on the sub and surface water, using a 1% huge dissolve brush to start the speck floating in the water... Having good refs helps. I also had the assistance after I started of an underwater archeology student who actually dove a paddlewheel wreck and told me to really pop the reef colors as IRL they're really bright with lots of reds.

Paul: I noticed the lips too. Pretty funny! Fish-lips!

Jester: That was part of the PE I produced for the kit.

Russ: Hahaha! Thanks!

Chuck, Hauk, Ray, John, Marc: Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: lab-dad on December 08, 2010, 11:09:42 AM
May be a "waterline" version will be available someday.......
I could see one bobbing in a harbor somewhere in South Florida!.....
Would be a shame to cut a whole one up.
Really enjoyed all the pics and info on this build.

Does it bother you all those were sold and only one "lives" so far?

-Marty
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: DaKra on December 08, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Turned out great!    I really like your diorama compositions, they are very 3 dimensional and lively without being complicated.   

Dave 
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: BKLN on December 08, 2010, 01:00:22 PM
I have to say that Michael's work might be some of the most creative I have seen in a while. Obviously, this forum is a showcase of some of the most talented model builders in the world. And we usually judge good modeling by the execution of the build, the paint job, the weathering. But besides being perfectly executed, it shows a true talent for storytelling. So much of our work fits into certain categories: narrow gauge trains, automobiles, structures and so on. But Michael's stuff always sticks out. Can't be categorized. Very cool!
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: FichtenFoo on December 09, 2010, 06:12:53 AM
Quote from: lab-dad on December 08, 2010, 11:09:42 AM
May be a "waterline" version will be available someday.......
I could see one bobbing in a harbor somewhere in South Florida!.....
Would be a shame to cut a whole one up.
Really enjoyed all the pics and info on this build.

Does it bother you all those were sold and only one "lives" so far?

-Marty

Thanks! Not sure about producing a waterline version... there's only been a couple requests for it and you lose so much of it that way. Plus it'd mean making an all new PE set-up which unfortunately isn't cheap. More than half the cost of my initial run's PE cost was the set-up for the film negative. I don't know if I could justify the cost. ??? Actually there's mine and another. Check out Mike Rinaldi's build-up on my forum's group-build: http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=6001.0

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Quote from: DaKra on December 08, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Turned out great!    I really like your diorama compositions, they are very 3 dimensional and lively without being complicated.  

Dave 
Thanks!

Quote from: BKLN on December 08, 2010, 01:00:22 PM
I have to say that Michael's work might be some of the most creative I have seen in a while. Obviously, this forum is a showcase of some of the most talented model builders in the world. And we usually judge good modeling by the execution of the build, the paint job, the weathering. But besides being perfectly executed, it shows a true talent for storytelling. So much of our work fits into certain categories: narrow gauge trains, automobiles, structures and so on. But Michael's stuff always sticks out. Can't be categorized. Very cool!

Thanks! I try to weave my own little world. I already live in one... might as well model one too!  :D
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: shropshire lad on December 09, 2010, 09:49:17 AM
Hey , Marty , give us a chance , we've only had them for a week or two . Unlike the two Mikes the rest of us are slow workers .

  Plus I'm waiting to gather as many tips as I can before "diving in" ,


   Nick
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Bexley on December 09, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
Just use a resin waterline. You'd still get to see everything. Though, you'd probably have to be extra careful that the cockpit is watertight before pouring.
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Philip Smith on December 13, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
Your build turned out wonderful Michael! I prefer your highly maintained one over your associates version.

Philip 
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Malachi Constant on January 27, 2011, 05:10:22 AM
Just noticed a couple "figure" sets (well, critters actually) that might be useful to the underwater / seaside fans ... Mantis Miniatures have a couple 1/35 sets with various fish, seals, pelicans, seagulls and a crab:

http://www.mantisminiatures.pl/EN/11,0,Accesories.html

These are supposedly offered in the US by Military Miniatures Warehouse ... but trying to navigate that clumsy site leaves me wondering ...

Cheers,
Dallas
Title: Re: Completed » Fish Sub / Paddlewheel!
Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 07, 2011, 09:39:17 PM
Check out Google's interactive "doodle" honoring the birthday of Jules Verne! I just saw it and it reminded me of your diorama.