During my recent Nevada trip I saw a lot of interesting old equipment. There were two Fordson-powered shovels that I especially liked. Someone like Gordon or Ken might find them of interest as a subject to model...
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There are more pics including a lot of detail close-ups, here:
http://www.raydunakin.com/Site/Fordson_Shovel.html (http://www.raydunakin.com/Site/Fordson_Shovel.html)
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Ray, That's a interesting looking shovel ;) Craig
Just the weathering .. the beautiful rust (which looks more like gun browning) and the yellow is worth studying
DAMN!
We need to get a supply of those 1/16 tractors!
Have to look for some more McKinsey kits.
That is cool!
-Mj
Thanks Ray!
Very cool machines Ray thanks.
Ray,
Thanks those are really cool.
I have seen Fordson tractors, and the tractors adapted to; road graders, locomotives, hoisting engines, construction elevator, various farm equipment and even a snow mobile but this took me by total surprise. Hmmm I have a 1:16 diecast Fordson and wanted another shovel, maybe.
Later
Rick
I've been doing a little research on these things... the two I saw in Tonopah were made by Universal Power Shovel (formerly Wilford Power Shovel). Later the company switched to using McCormick-Deering engines.
Here's a brief YouTube video I found showing a restored shovel in operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8-EKNSzQDY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8-EKNSzQDY&feature=related)
More details on the shovel operation would be helpful.
Looks like the drive is done through the axles, no biggie there.
I am "assuming" the bucket is operated off the PTO.
Must be some sort of complex system to operate the bucket, lift, and rotating.
I really would like to do one of these......
-Marty
This definitely has a great "WTF Factor" that would translate into a kool model.
Thanks for the pics, Ray.
I think Rio Grande Models make one in HO.
I am going shopping for the Frodson tractor this week (NNGC)
I have a bucket and a winch.
I would appreciate any information that is available.
I need to find a good source for tracks, I'm guessing the military guys will have the best!
Just not sure what to look for.
II guess I will try the MIG forum for info........
-Marty
Marty,
From what I've observed, there's a big difference between military type tracks and construction crawler tracks. Of course if you're going to go with the shop built look, I guess anything goes.
Marty,
Responded to the track issue over on MIG....still getting around to the pics.
I think these tracks would be a cinch and no brainer for PAP. (There is actually an Aussie mil. kit and aftermarket parts maker that uses PAP exclusively for their tracks and detail parts).
You would probably have to improvise, reverse engineer a bit on them.....first find the parts you will use for the road wheels, sprockets and return rollers...get them assmbled and aligned, the do some "interpreteation" to get the tracks to look like thoose in the photo, but fit into and over the roller components.
Marc
Well I got "fired up" and started this thing.
I had a casting of a bucket so thats what i started with.
Lots of little pieces in this thing, something like 25 pieces and then the NBW's....
Neat thing is the bottom "hatch" actually works!
I think up next is the boom to hang this dipstick on.
Scale is 1:48 (sorry Russ for not stating)
-Marty
What scale, Marty? -- Russ
Marty,
That will be one hellified project with all those parts.
Nice start.
8)
Work continues on the shovel.
Lots of rivets (.020")
I just recently learned it was called a "Fundom"
The little brackets were a challenge, but after watching Gordon they turned out to be fun!
I dont think all the gears, pulleys and drums will be "fun" though.
-Marty
-MJ
Looks like some excellent work going on there. Let's hope they don't lock you up before all the rivets are in place. ;D
Jerry
Satisfactory. -- Russ
Can't think of what to say exactly ... keep staring at picture ... like it! -- Dallas
I like rivets. Hot bucked rivets. Yummy.
I like this shovel bucket arm too. What a great scratch project. Looks complex, maybe it is, but at least it is finite in extent. Very nicely planned and carried out.
John
Too cool! What a fun project.
Thanks guys!
Ray it is all your fault, you started this!
And thanks for the prototype pictures!
-Marty
Same opinion as Dallas. What a pleasure to simply watch all this detailed work, so well done. Thanks Marty for the pleasure you give us.
Marty, Nice work. Are you doing this model with only the photos from Ray and the photos and information you got from Gil? One thing the STYRENE stabilizer rods on the boom may give you problems down the road. I like using brass for this type of application.
Ray, You also gave me the shovel bug. I have been wanting to model some type of shovel for the last 45 years. Tonopah is 412 miles away from my home and if the weather is good I'm going out there for a better look on the first of October. I may take a look at the Keystone drilling machine that is in Ely also. Thanks for the great photos.
Gordon Birrell
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Marty
Way to go! I just got back to this thread and here you have a shovel half built ;) :)
Looking really great and I know you will have fun with it but I don't know how you
can build something that "tiny", I mean 1:48, really ;) :)
I will have to agree with Gordon on the Styrene rod.
Later
Rick
Thanks, I'm just happy to know that my pics are inspiring some great models!
Thanks everyone!
You are right I wish I had started in 1/16 but that one is Gordon's!
May be Mr. Potato head will show some progress soon?
Snow has to be looming for Idaho.......
Yes Gordon, just going off Ray & Gil's pictures (and the ones Ken just sent to me).
Gill managed to have a ruler in some of his shots. Once I amass all of them in one place I can send you a disc.
If you do go to take pictures please bring a proper story stick, too hard to see the #'s on Gil's
I was worried about the styrene rod too, thanks for the heads up!
Not too late to change it, as you can see I have tried to connect as much as possible with the shafts removable (for now).
-Marty
Here is the progress for the week.
The mechanizim is quite a challenge, a lot of imagineering is going on.
Also having to make some compromises on some of the sizes.
The tractor will be in use so most of the color you see will be gone/covered.
I'm thinking of a industrial yellow for final color since that seems common.
-Marty
Progress looks good! THere is a lot going on with those things.
Thanks Chuck!
Yes, all those shafts, clutches and gears are making me crazy! >:(
I have no idea how any one ever did the masters for the HO one! ???
Here is this weeks progress;
-Marty
Quote from: lab-dad on October 04, 2010, 07:03:36 AM
Yes, all those shafts, clutches and gears are making me crazy! >:(
Here is this weeks progress;
-Marty
WHAT DO MEAN MAKING YOU CRAZY YOU ARE CRAZY!!! WE HAVE THE RESTRAINTS READY IF NEED BE ;D
Outside of that work is progressing nicely. Excellent job so far.
Jerry
Nice!
philip
Marty, seeing this thread for the first time. Really enjoy watching it come together and seeing how you break down the individual pieces. How do you plan on finishing this old and crusty like in the pics or in a little better condition?
I would love to see any of the other pics being circulated as well. Pat
I still can't believe you completed the Fordson to that level of adequacy over the weekend ... and also brought home a new puppy! -- Russ
Thanks guys!
Pat, no other pictures, what you see is what I got!
I am planning on an "in service" look so no on the crusty rusty look.
Something about 10-15 years old, so some nicks and rust but not broken down or worn out.
ssuR that was a whole weeks worth of effort!
-Marty
Excuses, excuses .... -- ssuR
Looks great so far!
After yesterdays fiasco >:( >:( >:( I finally made some progress. ;D
I need to have the superstructure removable and fit tightly inside the frame.
I ended up deciding to use the control lever shafts as a structural piece.
At .010" the diagonal braces (and their orientation) would not work.
That meant having the links on before I installed the shafts permanently.
I also needed some very tiny pillow blocks.
Here is what I came up with;
.032" shaft inside of a .047" tube
Secured in place and NBW's with square washers.
Linkages and such will be installed on the links at a later point.
Well sorry about the two week wait for an update but here it finally is!
I found Gordon's pictures of the underside of his shovel very valuable!
Also received my "cheater" treads as there are none in 1:48.
I am experimenting with using music wire for my cables, these wont sag!
I have .015" here, need to order some .080"
-Marty
-MJ
Beautiful work. What else can one say!
Jerry
Marty,
that looks just the part, a very impressive bit of scratch building.
I need to go back and read the whole thread again but just in case the answer is not there can you give a bit more detail about the tracks and did you scratch-build all the track supports, rollers , etc
That belongs in an Industrial or Modelers' Annual ... even at this early stage. -- Russ
Very nice, can't wait to see it painted!
Thanks guys!
Gordon, the tracks are store bought.
-Marty
Its really coming together now. The tracks seem like a good size, nice find!
This is WAY nice.
An unusual subject beautifully done.
Great job so far.
Getting close to paint.....maybe..
Too many rivets and those damn levers!
I am not crazy about the levers but nothing better I can do in this scale...
-Marty
Hi Marty --
That's looking DAMN good! Admire your patience working with all those fiddly bits ... or maybe I'm just glad not to be there while the obscenities are flying. ;D
Levers look fine to me ... for future projects, you might want to pick up a pack or two of these:
http://www.crowriverproducts.com/AA-O66_Lever%20Bank.htm
6 nice little white metal levers for $4.50 ... not a bad deal ... haven't actually used them yet, but have a set or two stashed for one of those occasions.
Cheers,
Dallas
-MJ
Nice job. Looks good to me. Glad to see you have a lot more patience then me.
Looking forward to the next post!!
Jerry
I love it, Marty. Eveything is perfectly neat.
One of the best hints a model is excellent is when it can be displayed this way, with no paint, and look so good.
Between you and Gordon, a lot of dirt is going to be moved.
Great job so far, Marty.
Looking forward to seeing this in paint.
Thanks guys!
Dallas hat would have been good info about two weeks ago,,,,,,,........
Dont think mine will move much dirt! a shotglass full would take several shovels full......that gives me an idea~
Some slow progress....
Weather has been too nice to be inside around here!
Base colors are down and the tractor has received it's paint job.
A few more details to add then I hope to do the paint job on the Fundom part.
Nothing is assembled here just placed, I plan on doing the paint job before final assembly......
-Marty
Looking good, Marty.
Gordon Birrell
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Hey MJ! Looking real good.
Jerry
Marty, Very nice ;) cant wait to see the final finish and weathering. Craig H
Here are the beginnings of color (zinc chromite yellow) figured that was an appropriate color yellow.
I couldn't find any Mary Kay Pink in acrylic.
No weather has been started yet and only the start to the other colors.
Been studying treads too...........
-Marty
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Looking very good Marty...
Paul
Very nice!
Copacetic!!
;)
Wonderful.
Thanks guys!
Glad we like it.
A little too yellow for me.
I am hoping to tone it down a little, shift it toward the orange a bit.
I'm thinking a filter, I am hoping Marc will help me out.
Craig, bitchin' sign, very appropriate from you! Thanks!
-Marty
-MJ
Now that is just excellent!!!
Jerry
Marty --
Great looking (and impressive) build! Agree with your take on it being a bit too yellow ... so, looking forward to the next round of pix.
Cheers,
Dallas