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Title: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 04, 2011, 04:55:19 PM
I've been in a real slump lately, nothing really had me fired up.
Been talking things over with my buddy (Jerry Trains 1941) but not much I really felt like doing.
He has been bugging me to work on a machine shop.
I pulled out my Western scale 1:48 planer and then thought of doing one from scratch in a larger scale. I thought about 1:22.5 but finally decided on 1:16.
go big or go home! right?
I really enjoyed the scale when doing the Plymouth.
So by using the 1:48 parts and plans here is where i am after a good weekend.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FPC040182.jpg&hash=2c7687df15d2a4af5da7a20015f695cd04588b12)

overall length is 15" and height is 5 1/2" right now. The large pulley is 2"
Base is MDF, sides are styrene

I am able to build most parts and have almost enough pulleys.
BUT, I am at a loos how to make/find the "rack gear";
a long flat gear about .090 - .120" square. Any suggestions?
I know I could build one form triangle strips.....but that's a lot of work!

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: eTraxx on December 04, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
I found this in an old printer .. it's about .160 wide but since is a rubber belt could be narrowed. If you have any old printers .. you might get lucky

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages56.fotki.com%2Fv362%2Fphotos%2F2%2F1709102%2F9661358%2Frack2-vi.jpg&hash=14d5886c7a9884139a2e9c053d21c1f71570d882)

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages9.fotki.com%2Fv248%2Fphotos%2F2%2F1709102%2F9661358%2Frack1-vi.jpg&hash=b9ce62a6638b370b86a1d14eeb563449bdb7aa9e)
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on December 04, 2011, 06:08:55 PM
My rule of thumb about scale: Small scales for layouts, large scales for models and dioramas.

If you build a layout you need as much mileage as possible per foot. You need as much impact as possible to wow people (or yourself) with a model.

Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Chuck Doan on December 06, 2011, 07:09:01 AM
This should be a nice model! Good suggestion Ed.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 06, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Thanks Ed, but i bet it would be a bitch to attach and paint.
The more I think about it I will likely end up milling my own.
I only need two, 4 1/2" long, shouldn't take more than an hour on the mill.
Would be a good candidate for rapid prototyping! Oh well.
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Seattle Dave on December 06, 2011, 09:38:28 AM
How about making an oversize (in length) trough that you could fill halfway with clay or the like, and then use a round gear to impress "teeth" into the flat surface?  You could then pour resin into the "form" and make your long flat toothed part.  The only real trick would be to find a round gear that was wide enough for your needs, although I have used multiple ones ganged together to beat that particular problem.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Chuck Doan on December 06, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
Dave at Vector Cut might be able to stack laser cut strips from your artwork.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 06, 2011, 11:41:38 AM
Dave, good idea!

Chuck, what artwork? ;D

-mj
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Barney on December 06, 2011, 01:55:30 PM
Try some of the electronic companies like Maplins or http://www.motionco.co.uk/gears-racks-c-32_42.html they all do a wide range of racks and pinions and some are very fine.On my workshop drill stand I did it the long way flat strip and separate teeth - then of course I found these suppliers - that's life !
That's some inspiring work you are doing just keep it coming
Barney.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Mr Potato Head on December 06, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
What about RC parts? they have Rack n Pinion Steering, my local HS has tons of parts! do you want me to look for you?
MPH
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 06, 2011, 03:49:22 PM
WOW, those are small!
.020" and .040" that is amazing!
I'm gonna try and make my own, I think I can...................
Started playing with the setup today, we will see.
If not then i have a source!

Gil, I dont think the r/c stuff would work, plan "C"

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: David King on December 06, 2011, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: Mr Potato Head on December 06, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
What about RC parts? they have Rack n Pinion Steering, my local HS has tons of parts! do you want me to look for you?
MPH

Actually R/C cars use servos, no racks.   Stock Drive Products carries that kind of thing;

http://www.sdp-si.com/

David
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on December 06, 2011, 06:02:35 PM
-MJ

Well your off to a good start.  I think there wouldn't be a problem for you to make that part.  Or for that matter any part you need.
Hell you were crazy enogh to start this monster!!!! :D

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 08, 2011, 06:50:35 AM
Got the rack gears made last night!
Only took about 30 minutes.
I used .060" x .100" styrene.
Turned out great! Pics soon.
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on December 08, 2011, 12:28:46 PM
Don't delay! Post today! Hurry! Offer limited! (Void where prohibited by law.) -- Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: marc_reusser on December 08, 2011, 05:25:57 PM
Very nice clean milling and assembly work. Like the shape and detailing....look forward to more.

M
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 11, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
Here is a shot of the gear.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_3726.jpg&hash=5b8afdf278dc2edfdc4dc8a57552735da37636e0)

It was made from .060" x .100" styrene, gear "teeth" are .035" on center.
I gave it a quick wash of silverwood to help show them.

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on December 12, 2011, 12:39:51 AM
Did you make that from a billion individual "teeth"? -- Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 13, 2011, 11:14:55 AM
No, used the mill and a pointed cutter to cut the billion teeth!
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on December 13, 2011, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: lab-dad on December 13, 2011, 11:14:55 AM
No, used the mill and a pointed cutter to cut the billion teeth!

All the better to bite you with!!!!

Nice job MJ.

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Wesleybeks on December 13, 2011, 11:00:40 PM
Sweet work Marty.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 18, 2011, 03:58:36 PM
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_3725.jpg&hash=56a790a4841e5114f0c298a62c492ada28dfc478)

I have been working on the tool holders.
here is the reference picture;
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Ftoolholderreference.jpg&hash=98760b357f657d21044caa23389ef605242aafca)

And here is where i am as of today;
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Ftoolholders2.jpg&hash=711ff4ecdb68ecf17e4fa7c650f5ed0f8737332f)

The curved tool adjuster is a paper proof from Dave at http://www.vectorcut.com/ (http://www.vectorcut.com/)
I tried to do them myself but with the styrene being only .060" wide it deformed a little...
For size reference the square "backing" above is .800" square.

More soon!
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Scratchman on December 18, 2011, 06:20:46 PM
Looking good Marty. You need to build a full machine shop in this scale all you need is a small building in your back yard.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: nk on December 18, 2011, 08:38:45 PM
This is really looking good, really great mill work. More teeth there than a Great White.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on December 21, 2011, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Scratchman on December 18, 2011, 06:20:46 PM
Looking good Marty. You need to build a full machine shop in this scale all you need is a small building in your back yard.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/

Excellent idea Gordon.  At least it will keep him off the streets.  Wait until he gets ot the drill Press!!!!!

Good show Martin.

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: michael mott on December 27, 2011, 05:29:52 PM
Marty the machine looks great, I'm curious why you used hex bolts on one side of the tool mount and square ones on the other side?

Michael
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on December 28, 2011, 05:59:23 AM
Michael,
I'm working from prototype pictures.
The square are like my epics, the brass hex on the back are not prototypical.
the brass hex also allow me to remove the holder for painting.
thanks.

Update, as of right now;
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_4363.jpg&hash=5528599cbf95e5c26f2d1cbd97dfb655ae258fe3)

I've added some items and improved some......
Still just laying together so I can paint all the components separately.


Mj
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on December 28, 2011, 11:41:43 AM
My stars! -- Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: jacq01 on December 28, 2011, 11:48:11 AM

Will you make it working in this scale ?  ;) :D 
  Than you can mill real O scale parts  ;D ;D ;D

looks very very good. I hope we are not loosing a small scale modeler. 

  Jacq
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 01, 2012, 10:19:49 AM
It is almost as big as my Sherline I am using to make the parts!
In between eating and drinking I did manage to work on the model.
Below is the left belt shifter.
FWIW the width of the styrene channel is .500, the levers and such are 9/32" and the hardware is 1 mm.
And yes it does function.
The trick will be getting the one on the other side to work in tandem with this one!
And the associated linkage.......... :o
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FLeftbeltshifter.jpg&hash=50988799d5561b37a47e9b1a4dbb8c5a6da73ca1)

Happy New Year!
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Malachi Constant on January 01, 2012, 11:32:10 AM
Yowza!  You're definitely getting into the larger scale there and taking advantage of the all the opportunities to really "go for it" ... neat!  -- Dallas
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on January 01, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
I'm jealous of your progress. I have spent the past three weeks in obnoxiously painful drudgery, restoring Mal Ferrell's 155 (or more) Argent Lumber Company photos for the upcoming Logging Annual. A horrendous job, but it's finally done.

Nice work, young Martin.

Happy New Year everyone.

Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on January 02, 2012, 07:04:19 AM
Yes young Martin.  Excellent!!!!

Have you started the addition to the house yet??????

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: jacq01 on January 02, 2012, 09:27:52 AM
  Marty,

  this is coming along very nicely. do you have the Western Scale model as reference. If so a photo of the two will give a nice idea of size.

  why did you make the cutter knives from plastic and not in polished steel or nickelsilver ?
  Will you dress up the frame openings with flanges, the edges do look a bit rough IMHO.

  Jacq
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 02, 2012, 10:44:13 AM
Jacq,
It all gets painted so materials dont really matter.
I dont actually intend to cut with it!
Yes the frames are rough still needs work and soda blasting.
No flanges on the original.
I do have the WS one but it is not built.
This one is 3 times bigger.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: michael mott on January 02, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
The work is moving right along, an interesting project all around.

Michael
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 03, 2012, 08:56:14 AM
While not the best picture (iphone) this is the start of the Left side belt shifter.
I'm currently working on the linkage that goes through the base to "shift" the belt on each side.
This is what makes the table go back and forth.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Fleftbeltshifter-1.jpg&hash=0f9762b8452b7723865a0624d228105e8e95387d)

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 03, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.Vectorcut.com  (http://www.vectorcut.com)parts arrived!

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Fvectorparts.jpg&hash=2066e383419bfd8259cb5209b46bc5060453c36c)

Can't wait to get them put on!
The funny darker shape in the bottom is the guide for placing the letters on the side of the frame.
Now I have no excuse for screwing them up!

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Chuck Doan on January 03, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: danpickard on January 03, 2012, 03:42:19 PM
Hey Marty,
Very nice build so far...you should be able to do service call outs to machinery shops by the time you finish this one.  Hats of to Dave as well for some fine laser work as well...just the sort of details that will make this piece "pop".  That letter space is a pretty cool idea.

Cheers,
Dan
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Malachi Constant on January 03, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Real nice!  I've got some custom letters and the handy-dandy spacing guide from Dave for a project ... might have to shoot him an email for another little bit.  Those bits will add a lot of "zing" -- Dallas
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Mr Potato Head on January 03, 2012, 05:30:19 PM
Nice vector cut letters! but what are the hot dogs for? ::)
MPH
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 03, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
Nice laser work, and the template for laying out the letters is brilliant!
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on January 04, 2012, 12:57:47 AM
Marty, that stuff by Dave will really ice the cake you are baking. What a great combination of talent! -- Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: michael mott on January 04, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
Marty, really nice sheet of stuff, what sort of costs are involved, and what sort of files do you need to generate, and what is the thickness and material is it..... Will he ever stop asking questions?

Michael
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Frederic Testard on January 05, 2012, 06:20:37 AM
I'd say about Dave that it is good to have a 250 IQ person willing to make some modelling parts.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 05, 2012, 08:04:53 AM
Thanks guys!
I need to start playing with paint soon too so I can experiment.........

Michael,
The parts from Dave were a great service!
I talked with him, sent a rough sketch of the curved pieces with dimensions.
he drew them up and sent me a paper "proof".
The letters were done from a photo I sent him and my specified heights.
I received two sheets for $40.00 including shipping.
Material is .0145" thick
No way I could have ever done the curved pieces for that (time vs. aggravation) much less done 4!
I was going to use Plastruct letters but they didnt have the sizes I needed.
I expect to use www.vectorcut.com (http://www.vectorcut.com) for a lot more parts.

More soon.

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: michael mott on January 05, 2012, 01:01:46 PM
Marty thanks for the reply and info, I will look at their website.

Michael
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 10, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
Did get around to putting the letters on the top cross member.
Dave supplied a template to get the spacing and orientations correct.
Dont know how I could have done it without the template... ??? ??? ???

FWIW The letters are 9/32" tall.

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FplanerPOWELL.jpg&hash=1d452d8eda9ffc7921d17c89b24d9e060bf6bd95)

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: artizen on January 10, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Malachi Constant on January 11, 2012, 09:03:16 AM
Marty --

Couple of questions:
-- What did you do to hold the template in place?
-- What did you use to glue the letters in place?
-- How did you avoid gluing the letters to the template?

Thanks!
Dallas
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 11, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
-painters tape
-CA
-be careful

Easy!

Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Malachi Constant on January 11, 2012, 12:50:34 PM
Thanks!  Figured it came down to "be careful" but wouldn't hurt to see if there were any special tricks.  ;)

BTW, if the letters are intended to be "cast" in place, you can make a nice fillet around them just by brushing a bit of Vallejo Mat Varnish around the base of each letter.  Do one pass, let it dry, do another.

Cheers,
Dallas
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 11, 2012, 04:48:29 PM
Thanks Michael, thats a good tip!
I should have mentioned there is nothing around the top half (or less) of the letters.
Look at my earlier post showing the tool in dark brown.
That helped keep glue off of the letters/tool.


Bouncing around I worked on the tool holder adjuster side.
Reference photo;
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Ftooladjusterreference.jpg&hash=5de55bc832b348e1a43c7fdbd33a531a4f0e6075)

Model, unpainted (obviously)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Ftoolholderadjuster.jpg&hash=f88f00224da136c706f1cb61beba76df02a82562)

Gears are by Vectorcut per my specifications.
In this case I layered two on one another for additional thickness.
I would have liked thicker but size was more important than thickness. no jokes please :P

I see I need to add a ring at the base of that handle/crank.

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on January 12, 2012, 01:23:40 AM
Not bad. -- Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on January 12, 2012, 10:03:10 AM
Now that's pretty good stuff young Martin. But I see I need to add a ring at the base of that handle/crank.

Let's try not to let that happen again!!!! ;D

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 27, 2012, 05:06:26 AM
Proof i am still working on this.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Fplanerbed.jpg&hash=06bed5af0a6d0a1b6d2f6f498d155d7094e51b14)

I just set the prototype picture on the model.
Still need to add the T-slot on the side for the stops.
Also been busy playing with minor details and screw-ups and paint/color finishes...........

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Junior on January 27, 2012, 09:47:18 AM
That will be some kind of a model :o! What´s your plans when it´s done? Some kind of a small dio or?

Anders  ;D
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on January 27, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
I am certain he is building it strictly for the article I will publish. -- ssuR
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 27, 2012, 01:11:14 PM
Anders,
The "plan" for now is to do several machines in this (obscure) scale.
A drill press is next, then a lathe and a bandsaw?
Eventually a small (yea right) dio with the shop and some track.
Finally a twin of the Plymouth I did that actually operates using r/c & batteries.
Should only take me 20 years..............

Russ,
what article?  ;)

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on January 27, 2012, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: lab-dad on January 27, 2012, 01:11:14 PM
Anders,
The "plan" for now is to do several machines in this (obscure) scale.
A drill press is next, then a lathe and a bandsaw?
Eventually a small (yea right) dio with the shop and some track.
Finally a twin of the Plymouth I did that actually operates using r/c & batteries.
Should only take me 20 years..............   [THAT IS WHY WE CALL YOU YOUNG MARTIN!!!!!!!!

Russ,
what article?  ;)  STOP BEING SO COY!!!!!!!!

-Marty

All and All a great model and what a diorama this will be when finished.

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Mobilgas on January 27, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Marty,    Fooling around in this large scale.....you just might not go back to O scale  :D
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on January 31, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
Craig,
I'm not foolin' around - I'm serious!

I thought some of you might like to see how applying the lettering goes.
At least how I do it  ::)
Below you see the template and the letters going on.
I only tape the guide down on one side - the bottom usually.
On this set up I used plain old Elmer's to attach the letters initially.
The base they are going on is MDF, basically fine ground sawdust......
I put glue on the top 2/3 of the letter so not to glue it to the template.
Once the letter is down - I do one at a time.
I hold the letter down and lift the template.
After I do the whole row I seal/blend/secure the letters with Vallejo matt medium (thanks Dallas!)
Next day another coat.
Can't wait to see these all one color!!!!

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Flettering.jpg&hash=97e31320e90fee6835ec16a1d5ff8e418d6414c1)

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: artizen on January 31, 2012, 03:24:14 PM
Neat.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Mobilgas on February 02, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Yes Marty....I'm sure your Serious ;) I think you took my last post the wrong way??
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Chuck Doan on February 02, 2012, 02:13:17 PM
That template is a seriously good idea.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 02, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
Naa Craig,
Just messin with ya'

Glad everbody likes Daves letter positioning fixture.
Mj
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 03, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Fsideletters.jpg&hash=9ba1e6aac8c8c5a0dd1930b19d76f20f008b6b9e)

;D
-Marty


If anyone notices the W being a little low (as I just did :-[ >:(, it is; .008" too low. I can live with that.....)
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on February 03, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
That turned out rather well.

One thing about this forum: Every day I see something else to inspire me.

Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Malachi Constant on February 03, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Did Dave actually cut the little dots in "U.S.A." or did you have to do those yourself?  ;D

Looks really good!  Perfect touch to reproduce that cast-in detail AND have it match exactly what your doing.  Nice.  -- Dallas
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: danpickard on February 03, 2012, 01:37:59 PM
Dallas,
Dave cut the dots (see pic back on page 3 of this thread of the letters on the fret)...you didn't expect him to only do partial madness did you?  If you are going to do crazy things like this, you might as well go right the way to the end of the loony plank :)

Marty,
Turning out a cool "little" piece.  Clean and intricate...should keep you off the streets for a while yet.

Dan
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 03, 2012, 01:41:15 PM
Actually the periods are .025" styrene rod.
Dave's were square but impossible to place.
I used the template to drill holes, insert rod then trim to length.
See i am not as nutz as you think! :/
Mj
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Post by: lab-dad on February 04, 2012, 11:55:05 AM
Well the next images should prove beyond a doubt I am out of my mind..........

Original machine (pictures provided by Bill @ Western Scale Models)
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Fpowelltoolholderdrive.jpg&hash=e5d4dc8de0b5e2c390dede4df2902f2dd1e84eef)

And here is the model.
(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Ftoolholderdrive.jpg&hash=f30be3c38af1aa611e86fc73fd50624ca7ceb11b)

Mine is cleaner of course!
FWIW;
The O.D. of the large circle is .500"
The styrene slot guides are .040"
The thread on the screw is 00-90
The handle started life as a piece of .046" brass rod.

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on February 04, 2012, 02:28:01 PM

It's called two words "certifiable nuts"!!! :)

Nice job for a youngster!!!

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 12, 2012, 02:07:40 PM
Starting to add some color.
Wont be much but it should make all the details "pop"
Ordered some AK-086 "dark steel powder" to do the shiny surfaces.
and the FAQ 2 book ;D
I think all the major fabrication is done....I think.......
Looking forward to the finish line.
Marty

(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FProgress_Feb_12_2012.jpg&hash=5bc284aa00ea1d1a5ae17620829a4342327fe2a0)
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Post by: Andi Little on February 12, 2012, 02:22:22 PM
Dear Lord! .................... is it no wonder I won't post anything here.

Just - just simply speechless....... amazing.
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Post by: TRAINS1941 on February 12, 2012, 02:37:53 PM
Young Martin.  Truly amazing!!!

Jerry
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 12, 2012, 05:06:19 PM
Holy moly! For a moment there, I thought I was looking at a builder's photo of the prototype!
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Post by: BKLN on February 12, 2012, 07:05:15 PM
What a beauty!
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Post by: Gordon Ferguson on February 12, 2012, 11:45:22 PM
Well that certainly worked out well ................. fabulous!


"Make the details pop out"

Think even without additional paint  the details pop! , and the lettering makes it
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on February 13, 2012, 12:37:59 AM
Satisfactory thus far. -- Russ
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 13, 2012, 05:00:38 AM
Thanks guys!
Looking forward to finishing this one up.
Will be nice to put this together permanently!
Right now everything is in place but nothing is secured (for painting purposes).

The drill press looks to be a real challenge!
-Marty
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Post by: Chuck Doan on February 13, 2012, 06:46:50 AM
Looks great, Marty! That will be an impressive shop someday.
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Post by: Hauk on February 13, 2012, 07:49:29 AM
Triple I !

-Hauk
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Post by: fspg2 on February 13, 2012, 12:36:03 PM
I like your work - just the details makes the model!
Why are the two wheels in the middle not parallel to each other?
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 13, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Thanks
The wheels are crooked because they are not secure.
Need to add bushings.
The model is not "assembled" just put together for pictures.
Needs to come apart for finishing.
More soon.
Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: W.P. Rayner on February 13, 2012, 08:27:31 PM
Very nicely done Marty... most impressive. Looking forward to seeing it in its finished state.

Paul
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on February 14, 2012, 11:47:53 AM
Geesh Marty,

If I didn't know better I would be thinking this Machine Shop and the Critter be in a Museum!!!!!!! ;) ;)

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Wesleybeks on February 14, 2012, 10:21:33 PM
Well I cant really expand on what has already been said Marty.

So ill just say, MORE PLEASE.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: JESTER on February 15, 2012, 06:42:07 AM
Wow! Very cool!!

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Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: darrylhuffman on February 15, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
Marty,

When I began in this hobby 60 years or so ago, my focus was on improving my Lionel trains and my main concern was trying to keep them on the track on curves.

50 years ago the Lionel was discarded in favor of HO when I first noticed John Allen's work.

40 years ago I opened my first hobby shop and found the wonderful world of friends to be made in this hobby.

30 years ago I was still building large layouts and having fun.

20 years ago I realized it was more fun to build detailed models from scratch.

10 years ago I began making DVDs to share with others.

5 years ago I gave up on layouts completely in favor of dioramas.

1 year ago I decided to abandon Alaska and move to Idaho.

This caused me to carefully evaluate the packing and shipping of models I had made over the years.

My dumpster soon became filled with things that I used to think were pretty good models.

Today, as I am finalizing the move to Idaho, I realize that the standards set by you and Chuck Doan in which you spend a huge amount of time building a little diesel switcher and a planing mill while Chuck spends months on a dirty old tractor and a month or more on one gas pump are terrific and if I had the skills and ability to see details like you do, then I would want to try to do the same level of work.

HOWEVER-------as my eyes and hands are no longer what they used to be I think I will just have to be content to build an occassional building here and there with my old, established standards and just content myself to stand and stare with my mouth hanging open in disbelief as you and Chuck continue to amaze me with your efforts.

Party on, dudes.

Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: EZnKY on February 15, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
I'll add my congratulations to the mix Marty - very nice work!
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 16, 2012, 05:01:30 AM
Darryl,
Thanks, being in just the same paragraph as Chuck is an honor.
Glad you are enjoying. Wait till you see the drill press! I hope I can pull it off!

The more I do the more fun I have.
Thats what it is all about! ;D

Besides I've seen your models, your no slouch! ;) AND your a movie star!

-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 25, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
Well the planer is done!
Before I show the final images i want to thank a couple of guys, who without their assistance I could not have completed this model.

First off to Bill Gustafuson at http://www.westernscalemodels.com/ (http://www.westernscalemodels.com/)
Bill measured the original machine and produced a fabulous kit in O scale that started this.
Bill was also very, very  kind to send me additional photographs of the machine that allowed me to fill in the blanks and detail the (larger) model to my standards.

Dave at http://www.vectorcut.com/ (http://www.vectorcut.com/) who without i would not have had the lettering, impossible to make details and proper sized gears. I think the model without the lettering would have lost a great deal.
Dave took my chicken scratch and turned it into perfect components.

And last but not least;
Jerry (trains 1941) My number one fan!
Without him I would have never started this project.
Every time I do one of these large scale scratch builds they are so much fun!
Now if I could just get him to finish something!

For those who may have forgot or missed the dimensions;
Total length; 15"
Width; 6"
Height; 7 1/2 "
Bed; 2 1/8" x 8 3/16"

The levers all work, the tool holder goes up and down and the tool holders go left & right, the belt shifters work.

So without further delay.........


(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_4409small.jpg&hash=a6e4a680af667bf44dedd7312737fb7069ef4a12)


(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_4420small.jpg&hash=94599cd88eb040b4d765436623b8428aefc0475b)


(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2FDSC_4413small.jpg&hash=9a8fe5c5776b9824118759b216a145cc99da08f6)


And just for fun, based on some of your observations of a earlier picture;


(https://www.finescalerr.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi263.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii121%2Flab-dad-jones%2Fpowellad.jpg&hash=f8b465903686d161325fe65831966ed620e3e794)

Parts for the drill press are already ordered!
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Scratchman on February 25, 2012, 02:22:39 PM
Marty, that turned out very nice. How about a tutorial on the finish.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on February 25, 2012, 02:34:42 PM
Yes young Martin you surely out did yourself.  One of the best I've ever een.

And I will always be your number one fan.  And maybe just maybe I'll finish something.

I can';t wait to see the Drill Press and did I tell you you'll need a Shaper!!!!!!! :)

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: artizen on February 25, 2012, 03:10:51 PM
Stunning work.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 25, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
Sweet!
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Post by: W.P. Rayner on February 25, 2012, 07:50:38 PM
Very nicely done Marty... the surfaces and textures are superb!

Paul
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Post by: BKLN on February 25, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Excellent paint job!
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: michael mott on February 25, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
Marty, what an outstanding work of excellence!! Inspirational to say the least.

Michael
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Post by: marc_reusser on February 25, 2012, 08:59:39 PM
Yup!....what all the others said!


Marc
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: finescalerr on February 26, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
I commended you earlier today. Now get me some hi-res shots to publish. -- Russ
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Post by: fspg2 on February 26, 2012, 02:02:41 AM
Simply brilliant!
How did you do the silvery surface of the rolls ?
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: marc_reusser on February 26, 2012, 02:16:12 AM
Quote from: finescalerr on February 26, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
I commended you earlier today. Now get me some hi-res shots to publish. -- Russ

Publish?..printing?...dude, that's so yesterday....it's already on Facebook. ;) ;D :P
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Post by: Barney on February 26, 2012, 02:18:25 AM
Miniature engineering and realism of the highest quality -great stuff -keep feeding us more.
Barney
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Post by: lab-dad on February 26, 2012, 01:51:37 PM
Thanks guys!
The cast paint is just primer and refer grey
The pulleys were polished on the lathe (boy did I f%^k up the large one! twisted it to sh&t)
The polished steel surfaces is AK interactive dark steel powder.
Glad you all found it interesting/enjoyable.
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: rckwallaby on February 26, 2012, 05:00:01 PM
Congratulations Marty.

Absolutely stunning detailed work.

Now you gotta actually use it to make all the rest of your models in the future !

Still inspired ?

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: michael mott on February 26, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
QuotePublish?..printing?...dude, that's so yesterday....it's already on Facebook.

Marc,..... when all the lights go out there will always be BOOKS. they are so tomorrow it is not even funny!! :P

cheers michael
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: artizen on February 26, 2012, 10:46:45 PM
I do hope the Facebook splash has Worcester spelt correctly. (As I am from just east of there - Bromsgrove.)
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: shropshire lad on February 26, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: artizen on February 26, 2012, 10:46:45 PM
I do hope the Facebook splash has Worcester spelt correctly. (As I am from just east of there - Bromsgrove.)

  Just to be pedantic , it's more North than East .
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: Andi Little on February 27, 2012, 12:27:32 AM
Quote from: michael mott on February 26, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
Marc,..... when all the lights go out there will always be BOOKS. they are so tomorrow it is not even funny!! :P
cheers michael

Apologies to all you bright young things ................. But I've got to stand in Michaels queue - being a dyed in the wool dinosaur you understand?
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: artizen on February 27, 2012, 12:34:06 AM
Actually it was an oblique reference to my new 4mm plank called West of Bromsgrove. Which is anywhere on the GWR with an obscure name but unfortunately Upton Snodbury is too far south so maybe I will settle for Commins Coch.

Getting back on topic again, the concept of getting laser cut letters and a template to apply them with, is something I would like to explore on my upcoming 1:12 plank for the nameplates on the loco etc. Beats hand lettering or printouts or even waiting six months for a brass etching.
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Post by: lab-dad on February 27, 2012, 05:07:25 AM
Jesus Christ Artizen!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
I thought I had spelled Worcester wrong on the model!!!!!!!
You gave me a heart attack!
See dave at vectorcut for any letters!
-Marty
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Post by: Chuck Doan on February 27, 2012, 06:59:10 AM
That is just spectacular Marty! It should make a great centerpiece on your no doubt upcoming diorama. 
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Post by: artizen on February 27, 2012, 02:27:38 PM
I am sure Dave of Vector Cut would not knowingly let a template out of his sight with a spelling error! I don't want anyone on this site or this build having heart attacks - but the catalogue page is so good that the single word spelt incorrectly just jumped out at me because I used to live near there! Mind you, Worcester was a bit posh - we lived in Bromsgrove because my dad was able to afford to buy land and build his own house there. Still standing too - drove past it the other day on Google!
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Post by: JESTER on February 28, 2012, 07:54:54 AM
Does it matter what primer color you use with these powders? Did you seal them with anything?

Thanks, great build!!

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Quote from: lab-dad on February 26, 2012, 01:51:37 PM
The polished steel surfaces is AK interactive dark steel powder.
-Marty
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on February 28, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
QuoteDoes it matter what primer color you use with these powders? Did you seal them with anything?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
For lighter silver use white or nothing at all on styrene.
On the bed i used the grey so the "steel" would be darker.
Compared to all the surfaces on my real machines the color/sheen/finish is a perfect match.

No, I did not seal it. Once it is on it is pretty hard to get off!
I dont expect too much touching of the parts anyways.

I found applying it with a Q-tip the best way to somewhat control it. It is VERY fine powder.
I also used my fingers to apply then polish it.
On the bed I used a microfiber for glass (very soft/fine) to polish.

-Marty
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Post by: JESTER on February 28, 2012, 08:22:14 AM
Thanks for the info. I've always used Rub-N-Buff for metal finishes but this looks very cool!

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Quote from: lab-dad on February 28, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
QuoteDoes it matter what primer color you use with these powders? Did you seal them with anything?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
For lighter silver use white or nothing at all on styrene.
On the bed i used the grey so the "steel" would be darker.
Compared to all the surfaces on my real machines the color/sheen/finish is a perfect match.

No, I did not seal it. Once it is on it is pretty hard to get off!
I dont expect too much touching of the parts anyways.

I found applying it with a Q-tip the best way to somewhat control it. It is VERY fine powder.
I also used my fingers to apply then polish it.
On the bed I used a microfiber for glass (very soft/fine) to polish.

-Marty
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Post by: Junior on February 28, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
Brilliant work! Will we see the Death Valley Plymouth parked outside this enormous shop?

Anders
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Post by: pwranta193 on March 01, 2012, 08:52:26 AM
I completely missed the end stage of this??? What a great finish, Marty.  Your metal work is perfect - and something I'm still learning to do (I just need to get off my duff and spend the time in expiramentation) - and very inspiring.  Besdies a great result with the industrial grey, the lettering really gives it a genuine feel.
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: lab-dad on March 02, 2012, 05:05:44 AM
Anders,
Yes that is the plan.
Actually an operating DV critter too

pwranta,
That is what we are here for; inspire and prod one another!
Get started and if you get stuck we are here for assistance!

-Marty

p.s. i have most of the materials for the drill press......more soon!
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on March 02, 2012, 05:46:44 AM
I heard he has all the materials for the drill press.  If you think the "Planer" was awesome wait till you see this one.

Jerry
Title: Re: (finally) getting inspired!
Post by: nk on March 02, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
A big wow from me as well. Beautiful, beautiful work.