The Plans are from the July/August 1992 Gazette. The first time I built this truck was between10 and 15 years ago. At that time I would build most of the model before painting (photo one and two). I also made a parts list and drawings of all the different assemblies. I built assemblies for two trucks. The first I assembled into a full model (photo one and two) and the second I left unassembled. These act as a three dimensional plan.
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Photo #1 and #2
My pilot model was built 10 to 15 years ago
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Photo #3 I used the cab floor plan to check location of brace for headboard. The new cab floor will be built to these dimensions.
I?m building this truck starting from scratch doing the finish work as I go. I will be using the same techniques that I used on my work truck #8 and my cold weather cab class A Climax # 5. I well be improving some of the parts and will add the engine detail on this new truck. I will be posting photos as the modeling progresses, but will not be doing a build report in this thread being that the model is a contest entry. I will do a build report after the contest is over. I?m also modeling a small piece of equipment that will be used as a load on the truck.
The first part I have assembled is the headboard.
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Photo #4, #5 and #6 is the headboard assembly. I will be doing some dry brushing with the White paint to remove the rust where I don?t want it and some oil washes. There are 190 parts in this assembly.
More to come
Gordon Birrell Scratchman
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Well Gordon I will be following this thread. Can't to see how you do in the contest and then the follow-up with how you did this. So far this is just outstanding this what you expect from guys like you on this forum.
I'm learning alot from all you guys now just to put it to good use.
Jerry
Jerry, I'm probably not going to enter it by itself. I'm looking for a little narrow gauge critter to build and load on its bed and let it enhance the critter.Then I would enter it in the critter category.
Gordon Birrell Scratchman
Gordon,
I have always really liked that first one.....and I definitely look forward to the second one.
...hmm...say.....isn't Marty building some kind of a neat looking NG critter?
What contest are you building the model for? NNGC?
Marc
Hey, Gordon, if you don't want to enter the truck by itself, I'll tell everybody I built it! Looks as though it's going to be pretty fabulous. Document it well and we'll put it in a Modelers' Annual! Very impressive. Thanks very much for the post. -- Russ
Mark, NNGC is probably the only thing I will be thinking of till September. I have almost got my work for next year's annuals finished and it will be full steam ahead on my contest model truck. Since it's a railroad convention I will want to have a railroad entry.
I have been going though my magazines and books looking for a little critter and can't find one that will fit the truck. The little Plymouth that Marty's doing has got me really excited especially with the plans you post but Marty jumped on it and no way do I want to do the same prototype as someone else. It can be built at a later time. Marty's critter has also really got me excited, someone else modeling the way I do and in that large scale. Marty is a very good model builder and what I've seen so far of that critter it's going to be a good one.
A free-lance critter is maybe the way I will have to go. My little maple syrup critter is a little too big to fit the truck. I am thinking of redesigning it to fit my need. If I have enough time I would like to build a three-sided shadow box backdrop-type diorama, a smaller version of my 3/4 " diorama that was in last summer's annual. If I can get this much finished I will then enter it as a diorama.
Unc, I will have my caboose article by the end of the year.
Gordon Birrell Scratchman
I have some good plans for some Duetz, Skoda, and other European critters, but I think they are all bit out of the time-frame for the truck. How about some kind of battery mine loco, or one of those small smokeless/compressed air type of locos?
Marc
... And I have some catalog data on Brookville locos and maybe some others. Send an e-mail or phone me with the details and I'll see if I have anything appropriate. -- Russ
Cool project, Gordon. I always was a bit partial to those trucks! ::) ;D
Chuck
Gee with all these 1:16 models it looks like the NNGC will be BIG!
Thank you Gordon for the compliments, I will do my best.
-Marty
Maybe I will take you up on those plans and data at a later time but I think for this I'm going take the easy way and redesign that maple syrup critter. I really like using those V-belt pulleys for wheels. Thanks to you all for your comments and support.
Gordon,
Could you show & tell how you will make the wheels & tires?
(If it doesnt violate the contest thing)
This is something I am very curious about.
-Marty
Marty
What I meant by its being a contest entry is that it is going to a contest. Its going to be my best effort and will be taking up most of my time . The main reason for not doing a how- to-do here is that the effort will be worth publishing.
The wheels on the first truck are a rough mock up. Using plastic pipe for the tire, a lid off a spool of Teflon tape and strips of styrene for the rim,
and a 36 inch V-belt pulley casting with two flat washers for the center. The axle come though a 1/8" hole in the center of the casting and the hub cap fits over the end of the axle. I added N.B.W. casting to the spokes on the back wheels.
The wheels on the new truck will be following closer to the prototypes. The plans have a cross section so that will help the center well be carved out of styrene. They well be like the curly spoke wheel on your Plymouth.
Gordon Birrell Scrathman
So Marty, are you putting rubber tires on your Plymouth or have you got something else going on?
gordon
No Gordon, no rubber tyres on the Plymouth.
And no, I dont have anyting else going on.
Just thought I might be able to use the techniques in 1:48.
I have all the Gazette plans and love these old trucks.
BTW,
Got a good source for 1/16 hand tools? You know wrenches and plyers.
Thanks,
Marty
Marty,
O scale,
For the wooden spoke wheels on my O scale 1919 Packard, I started with an HO scale wagon wheel casting for the center, where I got them I don't know. The castings I used had a 1/2" outside diameter. So for the rim I used a slice of 1/2" inside diameter brass tube. If you want your rim thicker you can add the next size of tube. The front has a single tire and the rear has a double tire. The tires are brass turnings that I turned on my lathe sized to fit over the rim. To finish off with the hub I used a small washer and whatever you want for the cap. The plans are from a Kemtron plan pack.
For the picture of this O scale model, go to my Flickr site, under the O scale section :
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Gordon
Gordon,
The O scale truck is a beauty! All those parts for the Doane are wonderful to look at.
Marty,
Maybe check Grandt Line for the spoked wagon wheels. I know they have several different types and sizes in O-Scale, and I have seen a few HO also.
Marc
Marty
Hand tools in 3/4" scale, there are none that I know of. Ozark Miniatures have some things in 5/8" and 7/8" scale that can be used. Because of the large scale it is easy to scratch some tools
Gordon
These two photos are of the truck parts that I use for a three dimensional plan.
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Gordon Birrell
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Gordon,
Those are just plain beautiful. The pieces remind me/have the feel, of wood casting patterns. (like those used for sand casting or for making plaster casting molds.)
Marc
Hopefully you can find a way to display these photos with the model at the contest. At the San Jose meet, they prohibited any additional info, which I thouht was pretty Boneheaded. >:(
Chuck
Sometimes I actually like to look at just subassemblies and unpainted models. Your photos, young Gordon, fall into that category; the subassemblies are art in themselves. Gorgeous. -- Russ
Outstanding - a true pleasure to look at... as are all the photos of your work.
Bill
Can't say much more than what was already said. They just make you want to build something just beautiful, the most outstanding parts I've ever seen.
And the photo pretty good to. Thanks Gordon.
Jerry
The second part is the frame. I replaced the old stake pockets with new scratch-built ones that look more like the prototype. I added all of the connectors and there are at least 500 more parts on this frame than the pilot model. The Black paint is a primer coat. I may paint this part White or keep it Black (830 parts).
Gordon Birrell Scratchman
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Three photos one before painting and two primed Black
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Gordon
Oh my God! I'm lost for words this is just so outstanding, awesome work and detail. This is one of the finest I've ever seen here or any where.
Can not wait for the next pictures.
Jerry
Yep......very beautiful.
Does the primer fill/hide the wood grain, or are you doing anything special for that?
Marc
Marc,
The Black paint is a backing for the white top layer of paint. This first layer of paint also helps cement the small NBW and rivet castings to the wood parts. Most of the wood shapes have no wood grain in them. I have dusted the frame with chalk and did a good coat of Dull Cote. to see if I liked the color. I don't know if this helped much but I will do this full process one more time I think most of it will go away.I love these wood shapes from Northeastern scale models for this application
Gordon Birrell
Jeez Louise! Remarkable! Outstanding -- even the unprimed frame! Need I write more? -- Russ
Just added two new assemblies, the bed decking and the sideboards. I've now assembled all four parts, finishing the bed, and mounting it to the frame.
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Decking: 240 parts
Sideboard: 280 parts
Gordon Birrell Scratchman
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Gordon this is some real serious modeling, its just keeps getting better I can't wait for the end product. Truly a masterpiece in the making.
Jerry
You are one of the best modelers on the planet, young Gordon. -- Russ
Old Trucks at the Hays Museum, heres the link:
http://rides.webshots.com/album/551206211MgMfSZ (http://rides.webshots.com/album/551206211MgMfSZ)
Gordon Birrell
"Old Trucks at the Hays Museum..."
Excellent group of photographs Scratchman ? thanks for posting the link.
Bill
Excellent link, Gordon. Thanks!
Here is a similar one I found:
http://rides.webshots.com/album/555384561ALuAFx
Tractors and such.
CD
Gordon & Chuck
Two really interesting links. Thanks!
Jerry
Another excellent link ? thanks for posting Chuck
Bill
Chuck
Thanks for the great link.
Gordon
I just added the radiator, hood, and cab to the top of the frame. I still need headlights and a stake rack on the opposite side of the toolbox. The roof is not glued on yet, so I can paint the canvas, and the stakes on the one photo are not glued in yet. They will be some of the last things glued on, because they break off the pocket too easily.
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Gordon Birrell Scratchman
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Gordon
Just an outstanding model. The weathering it just doesn't get any better than this. I just think the canvas roof is perfect can't wait to see it painted. Is there an engine behind that radiator? I don't remember if you said it would have one or not.
Jerry
Thanks Jerry
The only part of the engine that I modeled is the bottom part that is below the frame.
Gordon
That has to be one of the finest four wheel vehicle models anybody ever has constructed! IN-@%#$^-CREDIBLE!
Russ
:o :o :o :o :o outstanding work...
Bill
Aww man, musta parked it in the wrong neighborhood!
Its up on blocks!
This continues to amaze me.
Gordon,
tell me about the radiator, please!
-Marty
Thanks guys
The radiator (If you look at the radiator over in the unfinished assemblies box, you can see how and what I used to build it)
1-Start with a wood core and cover the face with brass wire screen. Paint the parts before gluing them together. I only glue up the sides where the side channels will cover the screen. Mask off the front using tape.
2-The sides are made out of a wood channel that goes over the core, screen and tape, along with some styrene shapes.
3-The flanges on the top and bottom are two layers of styrene with Grandt Line nut bolt castings (#128).
4-On top of the top flange is a wood carving with a filler tube and cap.
5-Paint and remove tape.
6-The brass screen is from Precision Scale Co. I will see tomorrow if it is still available.
Gordon
Quote from: finescalerr on December 16, 2007, 12:57:25 AM
Hey, Gordon, if you don't want to enter the truck by itself, I'll tell everybody I built it! Looks as though it's going to be pretty fabulous. Document it well and we'll put it in a Modelers' Annual! Very impressive. Thanks very much for the post. -- Russ
Can I do that also................::??
In the next photo I have added the Headlights and what I think is a rack for extra posts. This group of assemblies has 690 parts.
Brass wire screen from Precision Scale Co. comes in 60, 70, 80 and 100 Mesh 4" x 6" sheet @ about 7.00 per-sheet.
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Gordon
I hope your going to have this at the Portland, Or show this year. It will make my trip all the more worth while. I just showed them to my wife and she is totally impressed.
Jerry
I just added the new assemblies for the under body. There are 475 parts in these assemblies. The model still needs the chain assemblies and the front and back wheels. There are 475 parts in these assemblies.
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This thing is looking better all the time. You have truly raised the bar for making model trucks.
John
And this is just going to be "cargo" on a freight car? Gimme a break!
Russ
My God Gordon running out of words this is just a work of art. Truly unbelievable.
The detail is just beyond expectations.
Jerry
Here's a photo of the last work on the under-body: the drive line, chain assembly, and brake drum. The wheels are next and then onto a critter for the load. Uncle Russ, I'm not building a freight car and I'm not sure what else I will do, maybe a diorama for the two models, or maybe something completely different. This assembly has 50 parts in it.
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Gordon Birrell
This may be your best work ever, young Gordon. I really don't have words to express my admiration.
I guess I got it wrong. But that really puts you behind the eight ball: You'll have to build a critter to the same level of detail as the truck! If so, figure on a long article about the truck and a second article about the critter. In the meantime I've given your four wheel rolling stock article 15 or 20 pages in the upcoming Logging/Industrial Annual.
Russ
Gordon
Outstanding!! Modeling at its finest. Perfection at its best.
Can't wait to see the finished product and diorama this will sit on.
Jerry
Gordon
Thought I sent you an email but can't remember.
I was wondering how do you get the chain and gears to have that greasy oily look?
Thanks,
Jerry
Gordon,
this afternoon I came across a finescale railroader with some of you critters. This goes a lot further, really
fantastic modelbuilding. A benchmark for all of us.
Jacq
Gordon:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is just superb work. Thanks for sharing...
Bill
Thanks guys for your comments. Jerry, all I'm doing is painting and then sealing with Dull Cote. I use Floquil that's in a rattle can, this is more flat than the bottle stuff. I'm not trying for an oily look but I am pleased with the way it has turned out.
Gordon
Thanks Gordon I'll have to try that it gives a very nice effect. Will try it on gears on the next Western Scale Models Lathe that I still have to build.
Jerry
Got the wheels finished, and here's four pics of the truck sitting on my diorama. 140 Parts.
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Gordon Birrell
Can you say "awesome"? Can you spell "article"? -- Russ
Just "AWESOME". The whole scene is just what you would expect. Russ is right can you say "ARTICLE".
That was a great thread Gordon can't wait for more to come from you. Your work is just unbelievable.
Jerry
Stunning!!!! When you say article, I gotta have a copy.
John
The pervious photos, of the Doane, on the diorama were taken in a dark room using one enlarger lamp ( ECA 250W 120V 3200K). The following group was taken in the shade on a sunny day. This model has 2900 parts and it?s the first time I counted parts on a model since my Michigan-California Shay#2 back in 1972. It was a lot fun sharing this with the group. I will be starting a new thread on my next model, a Lombard Auto Type Tractor Standard 10-ton tractor converted into a rail truck. Plans are from the Sept-Oct 2007 NG&SL Gazette.
Gordon Birrell
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Aaaargh! The Genius strikes again!! -- Russ
Just please don't tell us you also need new glasses. That you can't see so your next will be better. We couldn't handle that.
John
Matthew, over on the Railroad Line Forum, took and posted these photos on my Doane thread.
http://picasaweb.google.com/Mat2Graff/OldTrucks
Picasa Web Albums - Matthew - Old trucks
Gordon Birrell
I have decided to post this on this thread, and not start a new one. It goes along with my previous post. Just for us old truck lovers.
http://www.federalmotortrucks.com/images/federal/index_pics.htm
Gordon Birrell