Lombard Rail Truck
No finished photos yet. I'm starting this now hoping to find some more info. There are a couple of restored prototypes back in Maine, I think, and maybe someone has some photos that they would like to share. Lombard Auto Type Tractor, the standard10-ton tractor, was originally a tracked vehicle converted into a rail truck. This rail truck is standard gauge so it will not be in the upcoming convention in Portland unless I can work it into a narrow gauge diorama some how. The plans are out of the Sept-Oct 2007 N.G. & S.L. Gazette by Terence F. Harper. These plans are about 80 to 90 percent of a good full coverage of the prototype. Hard to see what the transmission, differential, brakes and some other parts look like. On my Doane thread I said I was going to model the engine and never did, but I'm going to give this one a try. The engine is a 100 hp Wisconsin 6 cylinder. The rail truck prototype has no cab but I'm adding one to my model along with the second gas tank. The rear wheel will be scratch out of styrene trying to match the profile of the 1/2" scale Simpson wheel sets that will be used for the front wheels. The chain and sprockets are from Serv-O-Link. The bed and rear wheel are finished and I have a good start on the frame. I will be doing this thread the same as the Doane thread was done and hope to have the first pics up soon.
Here's a couple of photos of some unfinished parts showing the rear wheels.
Gordon Birrell Scratchman
Very cool! Interesting subject matter...even more interesting that someone in real life would convert a Lombard for this purpose, rather than just a regular truck....sound more complicated.
Look forward to your progress/work on this.
Marc
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Look out, folks -- here he goes again!
Gordon, I can't believe how you can be so prolific and yet model to such an astoundingly superb standard.
Russ
Gordon
Simply amazing that you just finish one. And now will add the engine to this one and a few other parts. It will be a real pleasure following along as your work is just outstanding.
Jerry
Hello Gordon,
Good to see my plans being used. I would love to see photos of the finished product.
That Lombard rail truck was an intersting find. Back in the early 1990's I was contracted by the State of Maine to perform a inventory of all the artifacts and historical sites in the Allagash Wilderness Waterway including the Eagle Lake & West Branch railroads terminal at Tramway. During the survey we found an odd set of wheels and some other parts that just didn't fit with any of the other known equipment.
Early accounts stated that the railroad had a "tractor converted to run on rails" but that was it. Anyway, several years later I got a phone call from the daughter of A.O. Harkness who was the master mechanic for the Great Northern Paper Company. She mentioned that she had come across some more photographs and asked if would be interested in looking at them. Needless to say the answer was YES!. Anyway, while looking through them I came across the photos of that converted Lombard. Then like a bolt of lightning I remembered those odd wheels. It was a perfect match. ;D Incidently those wheels had seen some rough service. They were cast steel with no replaceable steel tire. Both were cracked badly and the spokes had been repaired at least several times. With no suspension of any kind and the rough rail I can image the pounding they took.
Surprisingly there are quite a few Lombard that did survive the scrapdrives of the 1940's.
I know of at least 6 steamers (2 in operating condition) as well as at least 13 gasoline powered tractors. At least 3 of the later are running including one 10 ton and 2 8 ton models. I got to play a bit with a the 10 Ton back this fall. Although it dose'nt have the original engine it sounds real nice! Incidently this tractor was the second to last Lombard made and is equiped with rubber tires on the front.
I was fortunate to have access to several tractors and based my drawings on those dimensions.
Gordon,
I do have some detail photos I can send - engine drive train etc. Contact me via PM and I can send off a CD to you. I would love to see photos of the finished model.
Best regards,
Terry Harper
Terry,thanks for the added info and for your great set of plans.
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Gordon,
fantastic to see the gussets, girders, bearings and wheels grow into a , eh, well ... :-[ eh.. , something, a very good looking machine.
I love to watch these parts taking shape from basic materials.
Jacq
PS
Thanks for the info of Serv-O-Link sprockets and chain. This type of chain I have been looking for to make the jack slip chain of my 1:48 sawmill. The hooks I'll make from styrene after drawings out of some patents from around 1900 I found.
Jacq
The chain and the smaller solid sprockets are also available from Grandt Line.
Gordon Birrell
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I got a good start on the frame, drive line, and bed. I still need to finish the brake, clutch and the rest of the controls. I will be moving on to the front, starting with the fire wall and cab. The extra gas tank was usually no more than a 50 gallon drum. I just added another factory tank. The Lombard consumed eight gallons of gas per hour and ran at an average speed of four miles an hour.
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I can't find the words ...............................
Gordon, fantastic and all from scratch.
Your work is a benchmark....for me.
Can't wait to see the next steps.
Jacq
Disgusting, revolting, hideous work, Gordon. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Russ
Gordon
Just outstanding another excellent demonstration of fine scale modeling.
Jerry
Aw jeeezzz? and I was just getting over feelings of inadequacy ;) ;)
Astounding work Gordon, absolutely first-rate. Really looking forward watching this one progress too.
Paul
Gordon, you are making going back to O scale very difficult!
Although after working on the trusses for my shed, I dont have the room.....
Beautiful.
One question; wouldn't the wheels loose most of their color due to friction/heat?
I am assuming that now that I asked, you will reveal there is still further weathering....
-Marty
Thanks guys,
Marty your right about the wear on the wheels I'm going to try to do something over the top of what I've
already done. I will experiment with the front wheels first. Maybe a wash or some dry-brushing.
Gordon Birrell
Just wonderful Gordon.
I can only echo what the others have already said.
The Skid plate/guard plate wrapping inder the transmission is a neat detail.
Marc
Please, guys, don't encourage him. He'll just get inspired and do an even better job.
Russ
Gordon,
what about using a graphite pencil over a "burnt" hue?
An old trick - I know.
Some oil washes might do the trick for the discoloring...?...
Marty
Gordon,
Iam so pleased to see this model come together. ;D Its satisfying to draw a set of plans such as these. But its an even greater feeling to know someone is using them and using them well.
When this model is done I would like to send (with your permission) a set of photos to Mrs. Black. It was her father , O. A. Harkness, Chief Mechanical Officer for Great Northern Paper Co., who was responsible for this remarkable conversion.
O.A. was a remarkable man in his own right. He was known as the 'Admiral of the Northwoods' due to the many boats he designed and built for booming logs. He also oversaw the completion of the Tramway in 1902. This was 3000 ft. long steam powered conveyor made to carry long logs from Eagle lake to Chamberlain Lake.
The remains are still there today. Maybe one day I will get a set of drawings together for this as well.
Best regards,
Terry
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Gordon,
One other detail of interest. Apparently these big Wisconsin engines had a habit of breaking the cylinder jug bolt tabs.
We noticed quite a few that had backwoods repairs. For instance the most common were 'L' brackets fastened to the side of the jug and the top of the crankcase. Apperently the tab that is cast as part of the jug and which the bolt holding it to the crankcase passes through would fracture.
In one extreme case we found an engine with angle iron placed across the bottom of the crankcase and top of the cylinder and clamped with a threaded rod on each side of the block. Neat detail!
Best regards,
Terry
Thanks guys.
Mark: This truck has a lot of neat detail. The over-sized transmission and differential with it's skid cover. The huge six-cylinder engine. The almost seven-foot long engine cover. And the way the bed sits up off the frame on the cast iron pedestals. Oh, I could go on forever! It's really a nice ride.
Marty: The pencil idea was great, very easy to do and easy to keep it where you want it. After I finish up the brake linkage, I will post another photo.
Terry: Thank you for the added information. Very interesting. And thank you for all your help on this project. You will get the first photos when I'm finished. Hope you've had time to enjoy unc's annual.
Gordon Birrell
Here are two more photos of the rear end with the brake assembly completed and I have added the bed to the frame. I used a pencil on the wheels and brake drum.
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Just beautiful.
Is the chain Delrin?
Marc
Marc
The chain is Delrin and maybe the sprockets are too.
http://www.servolink.com/
Serv-O-Link Corp.
Gordon Birrell
Way to go, Gordon. I love the worn paint and the oily grunge.
Russ
Gordon
The grease and oily look on the wheels and chain excellent.
Actually it looks like the real thing on the chain the pencil treatment seems the way to go to have that look.
Jerry
Lombard Cab
I got a good start on the cab. I got more quarter round coming and will finish up the trim on the windows when it gets hear. The front wheel sets are laying on the bed. Still needs some work on the controls, dashboard, steering, and front wheels before moving on to the engine.
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Gordon,
super.............. the only word coming out after seeing the progress.
Uncle is right, warning everybody...... I hardly dare to put up my work anymore. ;)
Keep up the pace, can't wait to see the engine.
Jacq
Gordon you've done it again. Just superior workmanship.
I can't wait to see the engine.
Jerry
Beautiful!
Why are there two tanks? (extended range) or some other liquid other than fuel?
-Marty
Marty
The Lombard used 8 gals. per hour at a top speed of 4 miles an hour. The second tank was usually a 55 gal. barrow, I added a factory tank on my model.
Gordon Birrell
Gordon, some more excellent work, I for one really appreciate seeing these step by step shots as it really helps in seeing how you break things down to model them. I have to go and look at the plans in the Gazette and see if I could understand how you come up with your pieces. Thanks for posting the how tos along with the shots some will work in HO but I'm sure most won't but if I get one technique that will its well worth it. Thanks Pat
Great work Gordon,
Marty,
As sold Lombards would have had only one fuel tank. However, Ed Lacroix's Madawaska Company which owned and operated the Eagle Lake & West branch railroad upon which the prototype Lombard rail truck ran, equiped all his tractors with extra tanks. It was not uncommon for them to make a 40 mile round trip from the landings to the cuttings and back - at 4 miles per hour and consuming 8 gallons per hour you can see why the extra tank was needed! Typically this was nothing more than a standard 50 gallon drum mounted on a wood cradle.
Ross McKenney in his book "Language of the Forest" described riding on the back deck of a Lombard as part of a survey crew from Ashland, Maine to Mesquacook Lake. It was a 12 hour trip and as he described it he was half frozen from the bitter cold and deaf from the noise. Those short stacks sounded like a machinegun going off continuously for the whole 12 hours.
Best regards,
Terry Harper
Gordon, the idea of the 55 gallon drum as a second gas tank sure would add some backwoods feel pretty easily, just an idea I know you have probably glued your tank in place already. In a modern vehicle they would have a selector switch in the cab, how would it be done back then? You couldn't really just pipe them together as one tank is much higher than the other and gravity would just drain one into the other? Thanks Pat
Pat,
Thats exactly how it worked. The spare drum was simply piped into the the main tank. When running it was in reality drawing from both tanks. Beyond the main tank was a cock to shut-off fuel and isolate the sedement bowl. Then the line ran to a vacume tank mounted on the fire wall then to the carb. Sometimes the vacume tank was located inside the cab on the righthand side of the firewall othertimes on the engine side of the firewall.
One interesting note in regards to fuel:
Lacroix's Lombard operations in support of the Eagle Lake and West Branch railroad required huge quantities of fuel. (He was running up to 11 Lombards) All this fuel had to be moved by Lombard tractor from the railhead at Lac Frontier P.Q. to Churchill Lake. He built special tank sleds for this purpose. Each sled carried two Large tanks resting crosswise in wooden cradles. At Churchill the sleds were hauled up on a raised platform supported on log cribbing with a ramp at both ends. With the sleds elevated 5 or 6 feet above the ground they could simply drain fuel from the tanks into the tractors. Yet another backwoods engineering marvel!
Gordon,
In the photos I posted earlier (Clark-01B.jpg) note the diagonal brace from the top of the cab to the frame. Those cabs took a heck of a beating and backwoods fixes such as this were very common. Yes, that is a dynamite box sitting in front of the fuel tank.
Best regards,
Terry
Thanks for posting the model pics Gordon, and thanks Terry for the historical insight!
CD
Terry, thanks for the further explanation but I still the same problem understanding if one flowed into the other tank and gas caps are not liquid tight what stops the fuel from running out of the lower tanks gas cap? Since it ran on vacuum there would be no fuel pump to restrict the flow. Sorry if I'm being thick about getting it but its something I would just like to understand, thanks Pat
I can only guess, but if you sealed the 55 gal. drum, it would work like a bird feeder. The vacuum in the top of the drum vs atmospheric pressure below would control flow. You've seen them, little tray around the bottom with a water supply above.
John
Pat,
I see what you mean. In fact you have me looking a bit deeper into the archives. Luckly next month (if all goes well) I will be spending the day with one of the tractors in my previous posted photos. I will take a closer look.
Terry
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I have added the front truck, radiator and the detail in front of the radiator. The hood top and fire wall are almost ready for paint. I still have some loose ends to finish up before moving on to the engine. Got the quarter round stock and finished up the trim on the cab windows inside and out.
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Your latest update is most satisfactory, Gordon. Most satisfactory. -- Russ
Gordon
Very nicely done beautiful workmanship.
Jerry
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I still have a few of those loose ends left but I'm going forward with the engine. I am starting at the bottom and working up to the top. The styrene tubes in the corners of the hood are not prototypical. It's a help for this model part. The left side view shows the start to the engine and the two right side views is showing the truck around 95% finished just missing a few things. Still a lot of work left but I hope to finish it up soon.
Gordon Birrell
It's really shaping up, Gordon. Outstanding.
Russ
Gordon as always perfect workmanship, Can't wait for the engine parts to start to appear.
This gets better with every post.
Jerry
Gordon, magnificent work on the details here. I'm looking forward to those great finished photos of yours. Thanks for the update. But if I may be so bold as to issue a complaint, Your photos to date have been a bit too dark on my monitor. Can/should they be lightened?
Chester, Gordon's photos are the way a camera's sensor exposes light colors and light backgrounds. My monitor must be accurately calibrated to match the press output of my printer so I know the images are okay. For publication, I modify photos to appear the way you'd like to see them here. Since Gordon's pictures are acceptably exposed straight out of the camera and still appear too dark to you, I'd suggest you adjust your own monitor to provide a little (not a lot) more brightness and/or contrast. -- Russ
Gordon, thanks so much for showing us your updates and the pics show up fine on my monitor as well, so Chester I think its your computer that may need some adjustment.
Hey Terry did you ever go check out the gas tank thing? And where are the proto pictures for us to see?? Thanks Pat
Gordon,
Its looking great!
Pat here is a link to some photos of the prototype:
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As for the routing of the fuel line. Unfortunatly the machine I looked at has long since lost all its fuel lines! While all the others in the collection are set up with single tanks.
In a batch of photos that just came in some machines have a simple 50 gallon drum for the spare tank while others have two factory tanks as Gordon has depicted. Some have the tanks on diffrent levels while others have both tanks postiioned further aft behind a widened cab. I suspect the split level arangement meant required a fuel cock accessable from the cab.
Gordon,
Note the cool axe holder - looks like a piece of leather or canvas nailed to the side. Note that this machine has both tanks sitting on the back platform at the same elevation as well as a wide cab. Also note the neat wooden tool box.
Note the second photo depicts two factory tanks a diffrent levels. One sitiuated beside the original narrow cab the other on the platform.
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Terry
Thanks Guys for your comments. Terry the link and two photos are great, just in time for my tool box. Chester, the last 6 pix I posted were taken very near dark and are darker than I like.
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I decided instead of waiting a couple of more weeks until I'm finished to post progress pictures now. The left side has all the main detail, but I still have some detail on the right side to finish along with all the wiring on the engine and firewall, gas lines, and controls.
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Beautiful workmanship and detailing! It looks very "delicate"...almost rickety in a sense.....just splendid.
Are you planning on weathering the engine and drive train areas with things like oil, grease and other misc stains?
Marc
Gordon
Outstanding workmanship. Just beautifuly done, doesn't get any better than that.
Jerry
Gordon,
wonderfull, seeing the engine and the complete vehicle, the same question as Marc is asking, come up in my mind. To balance the weathered impression of the rest and particullary the wood I think the engine needs a more "used" look.
this is benchmark material for me.
very , very impressive.
Jacq
Gordon,
You certainly caught the flavor of it.
Best regards,
Terry
WOW Gordon,
That engine is beautiful!
After building one from scratch, I'd love to see/hear more about the construction.
Especially some of the more difficult shapes (heads, plugs, manifolds)
-Marty
Fabulous engine detail. You must have endless hours of research in this piece along with the magnificent building of it.
Thanks guys for your comments.
Marc and Jocq - I have been doing oil washes to the drive train and will do the engine also.
Terry - thanks for posting the photo of the engine it was a great help.
Chester - the only info. I had was Terry's plans and the photo he posted here today.
Marty - I was going to ask you the same things. I'm looking forward to the build report on your critter in the upcoming Modeler's annual. The build report for this rail truck and the Doane will be in next year's annual.
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Gordon its really looking good,
Just some info on that engine.
Lombard used engines from several diffrent manufactures:
Sterling, Brennan, Van Blerk, Wisconsin and Hercules. He even manufactured his own for awhile.
What appears to have been the most popular 6 cylinder was the Wisconsin followed by the Sterling.
Lombard used two versions of the Wisconsin:
The model 'PT' was a 6 cylinder 'T' head engine with a bore of 5-3/4" and a 7" stroke. It produced 100hp at 1000 rpm.
The Model D-4 was introduced near the end of production. It was a 6 cyl. overhead valve design with a 5-3/4" bore and a 6-1/2" stoke. I t produced 125 hp at 1200 rpm.
The engine depicted in my drawings and as modeled so wonderfully by Gordon is the Model 'PT'. Most surving Lombards have 3 stacks sticking straight up through the hood. (2 cylinders per stack) It seems the large gap between the paired cylinder blocks caused un-even heating of that heavy manifold and it cracked continuosly. One intact one I found had bailing wire holding it together! Neat detail.
Great Job Gordon. I can almost hear it running now. Hope there arn't a lot of people living near your right-of-way!
Best regards,
Terry
Man, that engine is great, Gordon! Really brings it all together. I have always been impressed with your abilty to make all the shapes and things you need.
Chuck
At last, this one is almost ready for the finished shelf. Here's a photo of the inside of the cab, and a couple shots of the right side of the engine. Back when I was building the frame. I got the two center channel beams on the wrong side of the layout line, making it six inches wider than the plan. I decided to leave it, but it's been giving me problems. The removable boards in the center of the deck don't work out in the cab, the gas tanks needed to be moved out, but the main problem was the shape of the radiator and hood top, also the front wheels are about three inches smaller than the plan. The gears are solid on the prototype, I left the ones on the model open, these are also a bit smaller than the prototype. The cab, gas tank, engine, and the radiator are not glued on yet, as soon as I glue these on, I will turn it over and take some photos of the under-body.
Gordon Birrell
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Coming along nicely Gordon!
I cant wait for the "build" report in Unc's rag.
I still think that engine is too clean!
Love the gauges and especially the back sides!
Marty
Gordon, your mistakes look better than my successes! -- Russ
Gordon
Very, very nice! Just love the cab great job on the gauges.
I agree with Marty on just one thing the engine needs a little more grime.
Jerry
Gordon,
Most fantastic. If you hadn't of mentioned it I would have never noticed the width issue.
One last detail is missing though (see attached)
Again, most fantastic work! Let me know when the article comes out.
Best regards,
Terry
And a drawing of it.
Thanks guys, for your comments. Terry I will try to figure out how to do the logo.
Gordon Birrell
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What I really appreciate is the level of detail. Hoses aren't just stuck in a hole, they have fittings. Parts aren't just stuck together, they have nuts and bolts and brackets. When I built model airplanes, there was an old saying; "The difference between amateurs and experts is sandpaper". I guess in our case it is details.
John
Thanks guys for your comments. I got the rest of the components glued on and was able to turn it over and take some full shots of the under body. Not as dramatic as the Doane, but still some good detail. Still going to do some more oil washes and more rust.
Gordon Birrell
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