Came across this photo couple of weeks ago, and it just appealed .......... Also thought it might just encourage a fellow member here to finish his ship dio ;D
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Based on the Revell tugboat, the hull was cut to waterline configuration and the stern cut of and remodelled
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As you can see , I first planed to upscale to 1/35 but even I could see that with start of the wheelhouse it wasn't going to work ....... So plan B 1/48 scale
I had also decided I wanted the engine compartment open, which meant I needed to have the hull below the waterline and the shape had to be correct to show the propellor shaft, etc, etc ...... So much much for forward planning. Any way by cutting, shunting and extending managed to make the bit of the hull I had already cut off fit the bill
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Modified the kit bulwarks, built the engine compartment coatings and new wheelhouse
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It's now at this stage , most of the major construction has been done .... Although since these photos have been taken done a few changes to the bow area. The white lines on red hull look over the top as representative of the weld lines but in reality there are only about 2 to 3 thou thick so hoping when they get paint on them they will just be visible
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Lots of small details to add, bollards, towing beam etc so will see what progress happens this week
Excellent work!
I like the variety of your projects and the quality of your work re-shaping and re-detailing with styling!
Don't know anything 'bout boats though, so don't ask me that! ;D
Cheers,
Dallas
Looking good Gordon! Will there be an engine showing?
Looking really good Gordon, enjoyed the preview but very grateful for these "in-process" shots, gives one an insight into your thinking. As opposed to your mind which I suspect is a bit dark and musty?? Pretty much how you succeed so well with your weathering then!
Seriously - Great Job .......... I'm really trying not to make mine 1/24 scale (Why can't I break out from this scale) - But there is such a beast as a "River, or Canal tug". And they are funky little things, pretty much all engine but barely big enough to stand on, cannot find a picture of anything with such an elegant hull though. So if mine gets off the ground (s'cuse pun) it'll be another one of those rubbishy whimsical things.
Well done.
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This too big for 1/24 but you get the drift - I'm sounding terribly nautical lately.
Nice picture Andi, yes harbour tugs, river tugs, launch tugs , canal tugs ....... Very fond of these little beasties, got all the bits of big boats but at a size which can be modelled by people like me with a short concentration span
This one is one of my favourites
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About 36' long
Or
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About 42'
Or
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I happen to have plans for this , in its earlier days before enclosed wheelhouse ....... When men were men ;D
Will bring with me on Thursday
That last one looks like it's about 8" from sinking!
This looks very promising, Gordon!
Very nice Gordon.
It reminds me very much of Napoleon a little rafting tug my farther in law operated at the Deep River log dump at Miller Point Road. It was owned by Brusco Raft and Tug Service. The Napoleon did not have raised sides. It would be very much like if you removed the raised sides and made a step down into the little cab. She had tow cleats bow and stern with side cleats. The Napoleon was sold at an auction in 1989 and I have no idea who bought it. I operated the Napoleon quite often when we would spend a week end up there. Was a very nice handling tug and fairly powerful with the diesel engine. I am guessing , from memory, that it was about 15 -18 feet long. Basically all engine, fuel tank and small cab with a steel hull wrapped around it.
Bill
That's sounds really interesting , any pic by chance of Napoleon ? .... Great name ;D
Chuck
Was planning an engine, but was advised by Mr Reusser that it was probably un-necessary as I was going to do it as a derelict anyway so by just including a few bits lying around of the engine ...... like rocker cover, manifold, etc, etc ..... It would increase the desolation factor ......... Think he just wanted to get me closer to "painting" , however do tend to agree, so no engine
Got the last couple of pieces sorted out , towing beam & bits, bit of detail around the bow ...... So paint looms :(
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That's looking great Gordon, wondered what you were up to when you mentioned "boat". Nice to here you are in to "dereliction".
Les
Here is a very derelict boat
Very nice our Gordon - inspiration big time
Barney
Paint! Paint! Paint! Oy! Oy! Oy.....Paint! Paint! Paint! Oy! Oy! Oy!........
Marc, you obviously have not heard the news ;)
Glasgow's last shipyard Ferguson Shipbuilders set to close.......... So that solves the paint issue. ;)
( not funny for the people involved, but could not resist )
Quote from: Gordon Ferguson on August 15, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
Marc, you obviously have not heard the news ;)
Glasgow's last shipyard Ferguson Shipbuilders set to close.......... So that solves the paint issue. ;)
( not funny for the people involved, but could not resist )
No pwobwem , we sen shippie to Korea get good paint jobbie . As least we'll be able to understand what they say . Unlike those Glaswegians .
Great looking little boat, Gordon. Thanks for sharing your process. The pictures of derelict tugs reminded me of the Mary D. Hume in Gold Beach, Oregon.
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Not my picture, but *somewhere* I do have some shots of this tugboat, some from the river side even. This boat is irresistible to photographers.
lovely little boat.
maybe you need a bit of a marine wall.
regards kim.
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Great pic Kim, filed that one away.
Paint ........ Needs tiding and some work on those hull weld lines
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By all means tidy it up. But it looks pretty good already. -- Russ
I'm wondering if some crusty bubbling rust and paint could help cover/minimize what you don't like about the welds...
Chuck, that solution would probably have helped ....... But gone for another, wet sanded the whole lot off and will start again
Looks good to me nice tidy little job and as Chuck says a few bits of bubbling rust should do it but the main thing is finish it !!!!
Barney
I actually liked the wide flat banding/weld lines....I have seen hull plates welded like that. Have also seen wide welds like that that were ground smooth/flat.....and kinda like that.
Quote from: marc_reusser on August 17, 2014, 10:03:44 PM
...I have seen hull plates welded like that. Have also seen wide welds like that that were ground smooth/flat...
Now what have I said to you before about "timing" re comments ::) ...........
Got any pics of examples?
If this continues to happen to you....maybe it's not me... :P :D
Sorry, none off-hand....probably have something somewhere in my drives...will have to check.
This vessel reminds me of the logging pusher boats used to corral log rafts in the Pacific NW. Perhaps some bumpers all around to cover what you don't like about the welds.
Quote from: Gordon Ferguson on August 18, 2014, 12:40:09 AM
Got any pics of examples?
Hi Gorden,
I hope you can see a bit of the welding seams that are not sanded, so that the stability of the weld obese in full.
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What a lovely vessel Helmut, many thanks for posting these pictures, would be a great way of displaying to show the full hull
Andi hope you have a look at this
Hi Gordon,
I took the photos in 2004 in the LWL Industrial Museum Henrichenburg.
The ship would have to my knowledge today be still there to see.
Unfortunately, more 195 km away from my house, otherwise I would like to take pictures for you.
In addition, the ship is back in the water.
Ship Cerberus (http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de/lws_wissen/vorlagen/showcard.php?id=2997)
But all of my many ship pictures, you can see the weld seams here still the best.
Yes, I can see it - "Luverly, ain't she"? And that detail in green is what I meant by a "stitched" weld. A deep penetrative weld at the join, followed by a running stitch across the joint to finish - VERY strong by all accounts. They usually just nibble the surface with an angle grinder to clean it up: But in this instance I would suggest just a quick swipe, and then a couple of coats of sticky hull blacking.
I reckon all you had to do was a dribble of poly cement to soften it - emboss with a file or the like for effect, and chuck some gobby paint at it - job wuz'a good 'un I'd say!
Please feel free to needle me when I'm struggling!
I just found the welds in 1:35 see here (http://www.dersockelshop.de/archer-fine-transfer/bogen-schweissnaehte-set-/-1-35.html).
you can buy them direct from Archer also, they have more than one type
MPH
Quote from: Mr Potato Head on August 18, 2014, 02:47:27 PM
you can buy them direct from Archer also, they have more than one type
MPH
Welds etc. toward the bottom
http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html
Archer transfers were ordered on Sunday & dispatched yesterday ;D
Painting continues
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Nice job! The grimy, oily glop looks perfect.
Coast Guard is gonna cite you for an oil slick!
Mark
Well for the first time in a while actually enjoying the painting stages , maybe because it seems to be working so far ........... Famous last words!
Engine room/bay is finished, note use of that word
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Now started on the wheelhouse, for a derelict think I am happy so far with the look
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The pics show some areas that need clean up and a bit of tweaking.
So as someone famous once said KBO
Sublime.......
Just superb, as always.
Gordon Birrell
What they said. -- Russ
Great job! I really love the engine area.
Some boat wreck photos.
OK Archer weld lines applied, with some adjustments to previous run of plates and attempts at weathering hull
So progress and paint does continue ;)
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Looking good Gordon!
Any further work on this little puppy Gordon?
Michael
Hi Michael, great to to see you back and with another new beautiful boat.
On this one, no the boats has had little or no work done on it , although been experimenting with different techniques for the water for the final dio ........ Think this technique I will be going on with! it's meant to represent a wind rippled water in a canal setting canal
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p.s. The water base is just resting against the wall, hence the "slope" on the water :D
What I really like about the picture Gordon is the subtle transparency at the wall, this is the trickiest aspect of this sort of diorama, getting the water to have just the right amount so that it has a sense of real depth, enough solids in the water as in reality to allow a little penetration, (of light) and the gradual change from more transparent to less as the water gets deeper.
Michael
very nice - how was the wall done
Barney
Methinks you have achieved penultimate success. -- Russ
Barney, the wall is just plastic card ,40thou, with the mortar grooves cut with one of those Olaf cutters
Excellent work on both the wall and the water.
I would like to express my highest appreciation for this work.
But what interested me, as you have made the water?
Quote from: Design-HSB on March 22, 2016, 06:15:45 AM
But what interested me, as you have made the water?
I am very interested too! That water looks spectacular! :o
Cheers, Peter
Here is a link to information on the water , I don't think it's a closed forum so non-members should be able to see it OK.( if not I will cut & paste)
This guy is an artist and it shows , worth looking through his other builds and "seas"
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=158909&p=651903#p651903
I used his exact technique , painting on the "eye" shape with medium , then after all the shapes are done giving the whole piece about 10 coats of of the medium. Then applied paint , used an airbrush for this to feather out the colours ..... I used a dark slate grey, gradually adding an olive drab colour before ghosting on a lighter green at canal wall interface.
Then it just about applying the Liquitex glaze , again on this piece I did about 10 coats .... It dries quickly so you can get 3 or 4 coats on in a day
It's an relatively easy technique , but like all things worth practicing with ...... I did a about a dozen small test pieces before I started to understand the technique properly....... I think ?
The only thing I would add is that when painting the "eye" shape don't do the modellers technique of brush painting by starting at one end and going to the other ........ You want the eye shape to taper off at either end so placing the medium/brush in the centre of where you want the shape to be and working out to either end is the way to go .
Oh, and as he says don't repeat don't go back to fiddle with a shape until the medium is dry, you'll get wrinkles and all sorts of issues which will be difficult to correct ....... Easy to fix anything if you allow medium to dry first !
Thanks for the link and the additional info Gordon.
Michael
Gordon, thank you very much for your response. The way it looks - and it looks marvelous - I almost had feared that it might be the "Flodberg technique".
Why feared? That technique seems to be THE choice when a water surface hits a wall or a ship's hull. If you want to create a slow sloping riverbed (and that's what I am looking for), then I have to use a different technique.
Hmmm ... it's a pity! Your wind rippled water is exactly what I am searching for.
Looking forward to your next update!
Peter
Gordon, you nailed it, somehow :o.
Cheers,
Volker
Peter, I am most probably not understanding your issue properly because I don't really see why this technique could not be used to simulate a slow moving river .
If I remember my geography classes, it was a long time a go!, a slow moving or meandering river could have a drop or gradient of less than 50 metres over a distance of 10 to 15 kilometres.
Now I have no intention of doing the "maths" but in model form you could be talking even in maximum terms of a 10mm drop over a 1 metre length...... Hardly noticeable
So if it was me I would cut out my shape of the river , add the ripples as per the article ..... In most cases the ripples would be right angles to banks, if you have curves in your river more ripples on outside of bend fewer and in some spots none on inside. Do all the medium coats and then glazes and fix base in place , propping up one end by 10mm
Hi Gordon
Sorry, I don't want to hijack your thread. So I will try to reply briefly. English is rather basic so I couldn''t express properly what I wanted do say.
What I meant is, to represent such a river bank as this here, with stones, sticking half out of the water, I will most probably have to use another technique, more transparency.
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Resin, poured in several layers, seems to be the way to go, but resin has a number of disadvantages compared to your approach:
... How to simulate the flow of the water?
... How to prevent the resin creaping up the side of the stones?
Cheers, Peter
Hi Peter, your not hijacking the thread ....... Water is the stumbling block
And as I am Scottish and worse come from Glasgow your English is better than mine ;D
Off out for rest of day , wedding anniversary , lunch & drinks with all the family ...... So don't have time to fully answer.
Have done some experiments along the lines you thinking about , will post pics and comments tomorrow