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Title: The Scrap yard in 1/16th scale
Post by: Barney on January 24, 2019, 09:26:50 AM
Had a sort out of unfinished junk and some I had lost interests in - some bits to finish  and then create a small loco grave yard and scrap pile
so far two battery box critters and a compressed air loco
Barney
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Post by: Barney on January 24, 2019, 09:28:33 AM
more
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Post by: Design-HSB on January 24, 2019, 10:43:42 AM
Barney, I like your work and they testify to diligence.
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Post by: finescalerr on January 24, 2019, 11:04:58 AM
Quite adequate so far. -- Russ
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Post by: 1-32 on January 24, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
Hi Barney.
you are so close to finishing you should just finish it .it looks great-
cheers
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Post by: fspg2 on January 24, 2019, 01:35:33 PM


Kim is right - too bad for the junkyard - you should finish the models!
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 25, 2019, 08:52:05 PM
Very cool, especially that compressed air loco.

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Post by: Greg Hile on January 26, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
I agree. Finish them up!
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Post by: 1-32 on January 26, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
Hi, Barney how are you with painting is the thought of painting stopping you finishing. usually, I think that some finishes are not appropriate and the examples of museum presentation are the best, that is a primer and top coat from a hobby quality spray can .no weathering.
cheers Kim
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Post by: Barney on January 27, 2019, 04:12:35 AM
hi Kim - no its not the painting its just at times I get total peed of with the model e.g. taking to long - not satisfied with certain parts and worst of all scale "jumping" and to finalise accidentally dropping it in the paint shop the Ruth Diesel ending life like that !
Scale jumping I think has been my biggest problem but hopefully I have settled to the larger scale by building small prototypes - example small mining critters and mining equipment all built on small dioramas restricted to 2ft x 10'' so they fit in plastic container boxes for storage purposes
(since our downsizing in house) hopefully these small dioramas will be able to bolt together to form one larger exhibition type layout
So to sum up the scrap yard will be "highly detailed" collection of models at the moment building several small features such as an engine block
with cylinder head removed - old exhaust pipes - a galvanised water tank - old starter motors and generators and so on all small items that I know I can finish ! the mining critters will be on a dilapidated bit of track with rotten sleepers with the battery box loco down a bit of a ditch
So watch this space work is processing well and should have photos soon.
Barney
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Post by: 1-32 on January 27, 2019, 12:31:19 PM
HI, Barney, you have hit on 2 very good points -space and future use I personally like the idea of building the smaller parts at least you can see some progress
cheers Kim
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Post by: Les Tindall on January 28, 2019, 06:58:19 AM
The nice thing about scrap lines is you can build whatever you want, and all that lovely rust (sorry I'm dribbling!!)
Here's one just a few miles from me here on the Isle of Wight". 

Les
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Post by: Lawton Maner on January 28, 2019, 04:06:24 PM
Don't forget the angry junkyard dog.
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Post by: Hydrostat on January 28, 2019, 11:13:01 PM
Barney,

I like the scrap yard approach. Much more than another finished 'cupboard exhibition item'. Very difficult to model with a slightly overgrown chaos. Some kind of barn(ey) find.

Volker
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Post by: Barney on January 29, 2019, 05:41:14 AM
Les another classic load of junk loads of dribbling this end too !!
I think Junk - rubbish- grot with rust is part of life if you want a bit of realism in our world of models - but its also nice to see well looked after locos and trucks - its all about a balance
Barney
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Post by: Les Tindall on January 29, 2019, 12:10:29 PM
Perhaps I'm becoming a "wierdo"!  As I look around on my day to day travels I seem to look more closely at rust, grot, stains. Too often I go to model exhibitions and see glossy engines, pristine stock - that's not life. Things deteriorate (especially us humans) and that is what I like to reproduce in models. Long live rust!!!! (though it usually doesn't)

Les   
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Post by: shropshire lad on January 29, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: Les Tindall on January 28, 2019, 06:58:19 AM
The nice thing about scrap lines is you can build whatever you want, and all that lovely rust (sorry I'm dribbling!!)
Here's one just a few miles from me here on the Isle of Wight". 

Les

  Les, that's not scrap , it's good stuff waiting for a new use !  Do you know what the crane is ? Looks a bit like a Ruston Bucyrus RB17/19 . Am I anywhere close ?

  Nick
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Post by: Les Tindall on January 30, 2019, 12:29:57 AM
Its a Preistman
Les
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Post by: Barney on February 10, 2019, 05:27:26 AM
The scrap yard collection is growing - a petrol pump with all its inner bits -a single cylinder stationary engine with water pump and a few galvanised tanks with fittings
Barney
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Post by: Bill Gill on February 10, 2019, 09:53:14 AM
Maybe you could have a yard sale instead of a scrap yard and recoup some of your investment :)
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Post by: finescalerr on February 10, 2019, 12:26:34 PM
What a beautiful collection of future junk. -- Russ
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Post by: Les Tindall on February 10, 2019, 02:39:08 PM
As always Barney, superb, lovely clean lines great detail.

Les
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Post by: Design-HSB on February 10, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
Barny, such a junkyard can have more flair like make glossy plant. I'm excited to see what happens next.
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 10, 2019, 09:49:17 PM
Nice collection of "junk", and much more interesting than the usual pile of castings.

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Post by: Barney on February 20, 2019, 08:06:25 AM
More junk for the yard (or usable bits for another day) The hand winch - all parts trial fit only so-far needs a few more spacers on shafts and fit a brake - the cogs are nylon and were a bit thin for 1/16th scale so they now consist of two glued together back to back
Barney
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Post by: Barney on February 20, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
the real thing
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Post by: Barney on February 20, 2019, 08:12:05 AM
Bit more work on the old boiler (well past its sell by date) more pipes and fittings and a sheet of metal or old enamel sign  with a brick on top !
at the moment in a under coat
Barney
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Post by: Barney on February 20, 2019, 08:20:41 AM
the prototype
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Post by: finescalerr on February 20, 2019, 11:57:43 AM
Your models look better than their prototypes. -- Russ
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 21, 2019, 09:39:43 PM
What kind of paint will you use to paint the nylon gears?
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Post by: Les Tindall on February 22, 2019, 06:03:22 AM
Barney, this is just great, inspirational stuff. I was thinks of making a winch and boiler too (16mm scale - 1/19th), so now I know how to do it!   Recognise the winch location (Black Country Museum - a wonderful place for modelling ideas).   
Les
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Post by: Barney on February 22, 2019, 08:14:26 AM
Ray I use an enamel based paint in this case I have used Humbrol Tank grey /dark grey - is it important to remove the slimy effect of these nylon gears by giving them a good washing in warm water and washing  up liquid . and if possible when dry give them a quick rub with 400 grit paper it gives them a bit of a key - the same goes for glueing it also helps to score the flat surfaces with a knife to give it extra grip
photo shows a quick under coat of humbrol of the parts I can to get to for spraying the whole thing all parts still a trial fit (a few edges to clean up )
The Enamel paint does stick well - top coat can be an acrylic colour if preferred  But I have found the acrylic based paint pretty useless for under coating these slimy nylon surfaces
I have also used car paint cellulose with success on nylon but it does get up your nose a bit and gives you one hell of a headache
Barney 
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Post by: Chuck Doan on February 22, 2019, 10:29:43 AM
Looking good, Barney!
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 22, 2019, 10:09:08 PM
Barney, thanks for the info on painting nylon.
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Post by: Lawton Maner on February 23, 2019, 02:12:42 AM
     My favorite prep for plastics is a Dawn Dish Detergent.  While on a tour of a railcar manufacturer in the summer of 1980, our tour guide informed us that the factory used it as a de-greasing agent for many machined parts prior to painting and assembly because as a consumer product it could be simply sent down the drains without treatment.  The stuff arrived in55 gallon drums.  They did however, pass all of the cleaning waste water through an oil separator to remove any oily residue.  Try a bit of it with very hot water in a power washer at the end of the winter to clean the undercarriage of your car and rust and grime will be limited to your model shop.
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Post by: Barney on February 23, 2019, 02:13:46 PM
When you have made the one with the most holes and rivets along comes a simple version
boat yard scene from Les
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Post by: Barney on February 23, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
Rust inspiration
Barney
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Post by: Barney on February 23, 2019, 02:19:21 PM
and a bit more
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Post by: Barney on March 24, 2019, 01:59:05 PM
The first bits ready for the yard - well nearly - The petrol pump and the winch - bits to touch up and a few more weeds all the parts will be on small bases which will then be fitted to the main diorama 
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Post by: Barney on March 24, 2019, 02:00:03 PM
the pump
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Post by: Barney on March 24, 2019, 02:00:52 PM
the winch
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Post by: Hydrostat on March 24, 2019, 02:22:39 PM
This petrol pump looks fantastic  :o! Maybe those rotten sheets might benefit from some more rusty look all over, it looks a bit like it has been painted after it had rottened away.
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on March 24, 2019, 06:08:37 PM
The pump looks fantastic. I agree that the rusted out panels need to have more rust around the holes.
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Post by: finescalerr on March 25, 2019, 12:02:42 AM
That is some of your best work. Most satisfactory. -- Russ
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Post by: Design-HSB on March 25, 2019, 01:29:50 AM
Even a Scrapyard can get wonderful under your Hands.
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Post by: 1-32 on March 25, 2019, 02:45:18 AM
yes, great petrol pump.
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Post by: Les Tindall on March 25, 2019, 12:27:12 PM
Sorry Barney, been away (holidays), just picked up the thread. Yes the derelict pump looks great. Some of those photos of the real derelict wagons make you think - what was it used for?  There you are - dioramas that lead to questions. 
Les
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Post by: Barney on March 25, 2019, 02:18:49 PM
Thanks everyone for your comments - rust on the rotten bits now being done - the rust on the pump is more coming from the inside and bubbling the paint up like the wings and sills of older cars but yes the bits were its total rot needs a rust effect on the top
Barney 
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Post by: Barney on May 13, 2019, 07:56:21 AM
Attended a meeting of the Slim Gauge Circle on Sunday - So I thought better show willing and  take a few bits and pieces -  I put parts of the scrap yard on a temporary
base - Not everything was "screwed down" so that it could be removed later to be installed on the bigger base board at a later date.
A few things not happy with the cogs on the stationary single cylinder engine I think are a bit course and need thinning down. The scene needs a bit more colour - started now making boxes of junk and more components with more colour e.g. starter motors /shelf brackets/engine blocks and old cans the list is endless but you have to make a start somewhere !!
So have a quick walk round the junk yard and keep your hands in your pockets -
Sign to be erected "Vandals and Thieves will not be prosecuted but next of kin will be informed"
Barney
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Post by: Barney on May 13, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
And some more
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Post by: finescalerr on May 13, 2019, 11:56:42 AM
I guess the operative question is whether the things you don't like really look bad ... or do they just look imperfect to you? Maybe a little more color (such as shrubbery) here and there but, as it stands, the diorama is rather adequate. -- Russ
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Post by: Mobilgas on May 13, 2019, 02:54:16 PM
Looks very good to my eye's ;D
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Post by: Design-HSB on May 13, 2019, 11:35:23 PM
Hello Barney,

scrap places have a special flair for themselves and you have succeeded very well from my point of view. Now it is the case, however, that it depends where the shotgun is located. In a desert it is very dry and therefore little or no green. In climatically wetter areas it looks very different and it can even occur that a tree has grown through such a scrap part. So everything is possible and nothing wrong, it only depends on where your junkyard should be located in.
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Post by: 1-32 on May 14, 2019, 02:56:06 AM
Hi Barney.
looks like a well-balanced scene like the cover on the boiler chimney and the painting
cheers
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Post by: Ray Dunakin on May 19, 2019, 05:41:14 PM
Looks pretty darn good to me!

If possible, you might try photographing it outdoors in natural light. That can helpful in determining if something is truly "off".