Silverwood , alternatives

[Gordon Ferguson]

Hoping that someone here will help ?

Been playing around with alternatives to Silverwood stain ( which appears to completely un-obtainable in Europe)which look as if they could be worth pursuing , but I could do with some base line info on Silverwood itself

Ideally what I would like is a kind person to stain some strips of bass wood and post some pictures,

One strip I stained bass wood
One strip with one coat of Silverwood
One strip with two coats
One strip with three coats

Just trying to get a handle on the strength of Silverwood and how multiple coats change the colour

Thanks for any assistance

[Younger]

I've been working with Silverwood and other stains (see my previous topic on fading), and put together a test panel of various stains to test the fading possibilites. The panel is exposed to flourescent lights about 16 hours/day. The strip of tape is used to prevent light from reaching part of the sample. I'll pull the tape in about 6 months to see how the fading goes.
-Jerry

[Gordon Ferguson]

Younger ,

Thanks for posting that picture...... Exactly what I was hoping for and very useful & informative

[Mr Potato Head]

will it hurt when you pull the band-aid off
please say no
MPH

[Younger]

Here is the test panel after two months. It is apparent that silverwood by itself fades rapidly. When used with other stains, not so much. I'll post another shot in a couple of months.
-Younger

[Gordon Ferguson]

Younger thanks for the update .

My tests continue using Tamiya paint as a substitute for Silverwood , started with their X-20 thinners but switched to Tamiya Lacquer thinners after a lot of advice & guidance from Marc.

Getting closer to the effect I am looking for with old worn wood but still struggling for a "bleached" wood effect ............... not that bleached wood is something I come across a lot in the UK 

[lab-dad]

Gordon that looks good.
Have you tried a swipe with fine sandpaper?
I know acetone lightens silverwood.......
Marty

p. s. any word on my wrench question

[Ray Dunakin]

Is Silverwood just a stain, or is it some kind of chemical treatment? Or both?

[TRAINS1941]

Ray

I think like most people do that Silverwood is a combination of Alcohol & India Ink or a black ink of some kind.

He could add something else to it but I think is just the amounts he uses to get the color.

Jerry

[billmart]

Is Silverwood just a stain, or is it some kind of chemical treatment? Or both?

Silverwood appears to be just a stain, much like India ink or shoe dye with an alcohol base.  I see no chemical reaction with it, unlike Weather-It.

Bill Martinsen

[Lawton Maner]

OSHA requires vendors to have copies of the MSDS sheets for any chemical they sell on hand for the purchaser to read before buying.  Ask for it the next time you visit your dealer and watch his/her reaction when it isn't there.  Also vendors are required to provide them when asked.  Se your local safety and health officer for the section of the law which applies and quote it when a vendor refuses to hand over the sheets.  If you don't get a positive reply, just forward your request to the local office, and I assure you the vendor will give you a reply once they get their a*** chewed out. 

BTW, my local OSHA rep was a college chum of mine.  Last inspection was conducted over lunch at a Pub in W********, VA.

[Younger]

Hi guys, attached is the test panel after 7 1/2 months. As you can see the Silverwood faded badly, along with some others, but other weathering/staining colors seem to be impervious to the flourescent lights 16 hours/day.

[marc_reusser]

Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do and post this.

[mabloodhound]

For my personal use, I like #10 and will have to try that.   
I was using India ink but the leather dye looks better.
These tests are very revealing, thanks.

[finescalerr]

Here's a question I've had for decades: Why Kiwi shoe dye instead of India ink? How does the appearance differ in the beginning and over time?

Also, in my experience with alcohol/ink, as the wood yellows over time the combination of the black/gray ink and yellowed wood eventually results in a brownish appearance. So the change is not so much from fading but from the color change of the wood itself. I discussed that with Jerry a couple of times but neither of us knows how to prevent it.

I have mentioned this on the forum in the past. Maybe this time somebody knows the answer.

Russ