Hi everyone. Marc Reusser told me about this place and said I should post some stuff here. I figured I'd start with what I'm working on at the moment which is a 1/20 scale Rt. 66 style motel parking lot to be used with a retro 50's "Futuristic" robot. The bot will be pretty damaged and painted in a baby blue and white with chrome trim and glowing/flickering red eyes thanks to a self-modified flickering LED tealight candle I stripped to fit in the chest.
I do pretty detailed progress pages on my blog so everything and more pics than below (lots more) can be seen here: http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/vincent/
The rest of my site/gallery can be seen at http://www.fichtenfoo.com
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Oh man, your progress on this is just so cool. Really great attention to detail (I think I may have been at this motel in Bakersfield. ;D ): The tar lines in the asphalt came out perfect & I love the Water proof outlet box. The texture/finish on the painted concrete block, and sign post is spot on.
Of course the reference to Jenny is priceless!
Look forward to seeing more on this one!
I was not aware that he had produced the W.Wood Proto robot...that looks like a very cool kit. Did he ever do the one with the snake like tube arms and claw hands?
Marc
I like when someone takes an ordinary everyday thing and models it. Some folks have the eye to pick out the details that are the soul of the inanimate object. Chuck Doan has it. It seems so does FichtenFoo.
Marc, did they have hourly rates there??
John
Welcome to the forum Michael... glad to see that Marc convinced you to join in on this mad group. Been following this sign project on your blog... wonderful stuff, very evocative on its own sans robot.
Paul
Quite satisfactory. Thank you for joining our forum and for posting your rather adequate modeling. -- Russ
Real nice! Don't think I've ever seen one of those signs actually modeled in miniature before ... the backwards "3" as an "E" and extraneous red number add those believable touches. Electrical box at bottom of the post looks really good. Look forward to more.
Cheers,
Dallas
Thanks everyone! I'm noticing a lot of familiar names and even some from Fish Sub list. 8)
Marc: The reference to Jenny was pure accident, but funny none the less. (I would rather not "make her mine" thank you very much.) I only used that number since I didn't think I'd have enough 5's. :D These are the only two he's released so far, but he's got more in the works.
John P: I love Chucks work and have learned a lot from his tutorials. He's definitely an inspiration here. "HOURLY RATES" was one of the lines I was considering under "GET A ROOM".
Welcome aboard, Michael! Wow, that little mini-diorama looks great already!
Thanks Ray.
Here's more pics of the 95% complete base showing just what kind of trashy motel this is.
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Well, just to prove that modelers say the strangest things: nice trash! ;D
Seriously, neatly (though not really "neatly") done ... those little bits add all sort of dimension and help tell the story.
Cheers,
Dallas
Welcome Michael! Great job on the motel sign and having to tough out both sides! Looking great. I missed the song reference and now thanks to Marc I can't get it out of my head! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axLRUszuu9I
Those kinds of signs are excellent to model...something so common you recognize it immediately. Virgil (Damn Cranky) did a scene with one once that really worked.
Thanks guys! Glad you like the garbage I produced. :D
I'll have to ask V where to find pics of that.
Wow!...what trash!.....the cups are wonderful....as is the coment filled post with the concrete fill/patch at the base. Spot-On!
Chuck, I think that Don Rialton also did a liquor store sign in a sim style on one of his buildings.
Marc
(Between this thread and Chucks pump thread, I am just sitting here grinning like an idiot.)
Thanks Marc!
Amazing work! How did you make those cups?
Eeewww... Is that a condom in the lower left corner?
Thanks! Haha! I actually considered making a scale condom, but until 10 seconds ago wasn't sure how. (Could probably just pull-stretch plastic wrap over a rod without heat, remove, paint, disgust) That's just a little discarded plastic.
I looked online for paper cup templates, then scaled one down/recreated it in Illustrator and printed it. THen I glued it and cut a paper disc and white glued it in the bottom. Lastly a brushed on thin layer of Future to seal and give it that not exactly flat/waxy look.
Fascinating ideas. But you obviously have lost your mind. -- Russ
.. which simply means .. he fits in here
This looks like it should be sitting in front of a Ken Hamilton motel. In 1:1 it would be an eye sore but in miniature it is a work of art.
Very nice.
Let's see some more of your creations.
Don
Russ, eTraxx: Thanks... I think. :D
Quote from: Don Railton on September 08, 2010, 05:54:41 AM
This looks like it should be sitting in front of a Ken Hamilton motel. In 1:1 it would be an eye sore but in miniature it is a work of art.
Very nice.
Let's see some more of your creations.
Don
Thanks! All of my creations, even my earliest and not-so great, (shows progression though :D ) can be seen here. http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/model-gallery/
Here's the start of Vinnie's paintwork. Chipped and faded turquoise and white with nasty chrome trim. Fading and balling-up the chrome to come... Any crap-chrome tips are welcome! I figure I'll start with rust-colored paint speckled on with an old toothbrush and my thumb.
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I've had good results for flaky chrome using silver leaf.
-Marty
I like the colors.
Thanks. I'll have to try the leaf stuff. Any tips or links to tips for application?
Rest of the base chrome trim is done and looks great! Gonna be a fun challenge to age and weather it.
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That's really excellent work. The only suggestion I have is to yellow and dull the clear plastic lettering on the lighted signboard. I'd probably use a tinted clear coat or maybe a dip in strong tea.
the silver leaf is pretty straightforward, I got a kit at michaels.
It comes with a pen of adhesive. I applied as instructed, then "peeled" with a fiberglass pencil.
I used some small dabs of wax here and there so the adhesive wouldnt work (peel/lift)
-Marty
Vincent got old. He's feeling a bit rusty.
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THanks for the tips guys!
He's looking Damn Creaky. ;)
M
Looking good ... especially like the effect of the paint oxidation on the uppermost surface ... the powdery whitish-blue there is a subtle difference that looks very effective. -- Dallas
Quite adequate from every standpoint. -- Russ
Madness for sure! It's a govt controlled art deco destroyer, that no parent lived to tell about!
Good work!
Philip ;D
Jeepers, after trashing all that military modeling that Marc brought to our attention on a another thread, I like how this critter is coming out.
I must sit and think the reasons why. Nice work!
John
Vincent's all done! http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/vincent/
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Hmmm...makes me wish I had an imagination.
Super cool Michael, it came out awesome!
Tom
Exceptional Michael, Vincent is highly believable.
Thank you guys! It was a fun project.
Love it. Great job. Gary
You, sir, are completely deranged! And good at it too. ;D
Well done!
Dallas
Too cool! I didn't realize he was so tall.
BTW, where did you get that comic-book style font?
Quite original Michael... I'm thinking you're into graphic novels as well...
Paul
I believe!
Philip 8)
What's the big deal? Anybody could do that. Heck, I could do it much better if I wanted to. I just don't want to ....
ssuR
P.S.: Most satisfactory.
Superb!
Thanks everyone! Well, except Russ. :P Okay, maybe Russ too. ;)
Ray: I don't recall where I got it, (been a few years) but it's called "Crime Fighter" if that helps. It's definitely better than the dreaded and god-awful comic sans. Ugh.
Paul: I spent most of high school behind the pages of comic books. It was much better than the realities back then. I went to art school and majored in cartooning and illustration with the goal of being a comic book artist, but I also had the silly goal of eating and paying rent so got a job working for an industrial magazine instead. At least I learned web design right from the start there which was back in late 1994.
You are yet another example of how school usually tries to destroy creativity, talent, and intelligent thinking. You had to leave it before you could blossom. -- Russ
It can be published in an industrial magazine and be beautiful for us modellers too. Have a look there
http://www.graphite-garage.com/illustration/ATELIERS/ateliers.html
and don't forget to go there too :
http://www.graphite-garage.com/illustration/ARCHIVES%20DIVERSES/archives2.html
Russ, school has helped me to go far beyond where I would be without it, and gave my brain many many opportunities to explore places it would never have visited otherwise. I'm a bit surprised someone as intelligent as you should have such a radical opinion over an institution that features so many different aspects.
I don't want to disrupt this thread, Frederic, so I'll merely say this: Your school system and the ones I suffered through may have differed in approach and quality. I include in that general condemnation my undergraduate education at UCLA and advanced studies at what was then the best graduate school in the USA: U.C. Berkeley. If anyone wants to compare notes, we could open a new thread on this subject in the Blue Room. -- Russ
Quote from: FichtenFoo on September 22, 2010, 09:11:59 AM
It's definitely better than the dreaded and god-awful comic sans. Ugh.
Boy ain't that the truth... Ray there are many sites online where you can download free fonts. You might try Abstract Fonts (http://www.abstractfonts.com/) or 1001 Fonts (http://www.1001fonts.com/index.html) for starters. They're not always the best quality fonts but can work for many undemanding uses. I also have several thousand fonts in my archive, so let me know if there's something specific you're looking for and can't find, I may just have it.
We have surprisingly similar backgrounds Michael. Schooling was very similar except I majored in editorial cartooning, design and photography ultimately moving on to a photography-related career then editorial design. In the mid-90s I worked as a designer and web master for a poncy Arabian Horse magazine and established their first web site... god they were a bunch of self-absorbed snooty broads though I did have the opportunity to deal with Charlie Watts who is a gentleman "farmer" with an incredible horse ranch in the UK... who'd a thought.
Paul
Quote from: finescalerr on September 22, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
I don't want to disrupt this thread, Frederic, so I'll merely say this: Your school system and the ones I suffered through may have differed in approach and quality. I include in that general condemnation my undergraduate education at UCLA and advanced studies at what was then the best graduate school in the USA: U.C. Berkeley. If anyone wants to compare notes, we could open a new thread on this subject in the Blue Room. -- Russ
But what could we say, Russ? The son of an uneducated (I haven't said un-intelligent) truck driver and his even less educated wife shows a good talent for mathematics and school allows him to become a university teacher. We were several in the group of students I belonged to to be in quite analog situations, so for us school means a lot. And that's what I still try to give to my own students, the desire to become better and go further.
Tom's earlier comment about imagination is profound, because I think he is a pretty open minded guy from what he has posted. But I must agree in the sense that FitchenFoo's overall view is so inclusive. The story, the diorama scene, the beautiful machine- all blended wonderfully. I think it is useful to have a pulse behind the machine that is being modeled. I always felt guilty for not paying attention to things like diesel fan screens or hood door counts, but what does that really bring to a model? The machine was made by people for a reason the people dictate, and it should somehow reflect that feeling. This fantasy robot diorama is more realistic than many a model railroad model contest champion.
Am I making sense? :P
John
Yes, John. That is why the model is satisfactory. -- Russ
John, yeah makes sense to me. Realism is more in the execution than the subject matter. The idea of a scale model is to portray a full size thing made small, even if the thing never existed or isn't entirely accurate. I can suspend disbelief if the general physical attributes are correct and ring the bell of instant recognition, dents, oil leaks and rust, etc. But not if its been uber-highlighted to "AMT" standards, or trying too hard to be cute or whimsical a la Selios. Then its just kitsch. Its the difference between painting, and paint-by-numbers.
Frederic, thanks for the link to the beautiful illustrations, I enjoyed seeing them.
Quote from: Frederic Testard on September 22, 2010, 01:08:42 PM
Have a look there
http://www.graphite-garage.com/illustration/ATELIERS/ateliers.html
and don't forget to go there too :
http://www.graphite-garage.com/illustration/ARCHIVES%20DIVERSES/archives2.html
Ray-- found this on the link Paul provided
http://www.abstractfonts.com/search/vtcsundaykomixcaps
Thanks again everyone! ;D
I think part of making something look good is knowing what does not. I've seen WAY too many sci-fi "dioramas" where the modeler makes a flat tarmak or sandy base and throws on a few objects (usually oil drums or jerry cans) and a random maintenance figure and calls it a day. There's nothing dynamic about it and the result is something flat and boring. I try to make my works "vertically interesting" if that makes sense. Usually the main focus of my scenes isn't the largest or tallest item. Usually... Varying the height of groundwork is usually the start. Other objects help give a sense of scale as well as push the story and feeling of the scene forward. Having the focus (in my case, usually a robot) interact somehow with the scene helps with the realism. Stepping over rough terrain (http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/hardboiled-afs/), holding onto a sign for support, etc..
The motel sign and wall in this piece helps make up for what is basically a flat slab of a base. If the robot was the tallest item, the sense of scale would be off and I think the scene wouldn't look quite right. I toyed with the idea of adding a figure, someone frightened or trying to get out of the way, but it wouldn't have added anything to the scene and might had taken away from the overall feel.
Sometimes the main focus is the largest item, but you can add other interesting things to the scene to combat that large item being overwhelming. I did this with my Edmontosaurus (http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/edmontosaurus/)and Briegel (http://fichtenfoo.net/blog/tag/the-briegel/)pieces. The Briegel is HUGE, but the figures give it a sense of scale and having it on a sloped base as if it's standing watch helps. Adding larger leaves and such (butterflies!) to the dino piece gives that a sense of scale. Having imagination definitely helps, but using a few graphic design theories can help just about anyone create something interesting. (Remember your CRAP! Contrast, Repetition, Alignment, and Proximity)
As for realism, I agree with JohnP. I've seen too many modelers spend months and years accurizing a model (real or sci-fi) only to paint it like a 3-year old. To me a poor finish negates any amount of work the modeler put into a piece. If the end result looks bad, who cares how accurate the door hinges, warp drives, or engine grilles are? I'd rather see an inaccurate model painted and weathered beautifully/realistically than an accurate piece painted poorly. Sadly there's far too much of the latter in the sci-fi world and most of those modelers are content with that. Kinda a pet peeve of mine. Now an accurate model painted to perfection is indeed a sight to behold!
I tend to be the type that just wants to make things look cool and hopefully real. That's what's fun for me. If it's accurate, then bonus, but I tend to not worry about that. I only add PE and such if it adds more interesting details to a kit rather than trying to make it more accurate. Even my Star Wars stuff is painted to look more "real" than what the original studio models depict. Those were made to look good on film, but seeing them in person is almost disappointing to me as they're beautifully built, but not weathered realistically enough for me. Seeing people try to exactly paint the studio model makes me laugh as the end results are usually meh IMO.
Okay... enough elitist ranting from me. LOL!
Paul: Seems that a lot of us have artistic professions. Nice! Yeah, horse people are the snottiest! I went to school with some entitled horse owning bitch. Ugh...
Thats not a rant...thats a sincere and honest insight into why the work you produce actually works. I find little thoughts such as this equally as inspiring as some of the images that appear on this forum. Translating those thoughts into sensible words can be often difficult, but I think you have captured your thinking very well.
Thanks for sharing that Michael.
Dan
Thanks Micheal --
Enjoyed your comments and had some nice little side-trips following your links ... hope I can remember your "CRAP" motto ... but afraid the CRS might prevent it. ;D
Especially like the Briegel. Think you were right not to incorporate figure(s) with the Vincent, but they worked great with the Briegel ... especially since they seem to simply accept and almost disregard his presence.
Cheers,
Dallas
Quote from: danpickard on September 25, 2010, 02:23:11 PM
Thats not a rant...thats a sincere and honest insight into why the work you produce actually works. I find little thoughts such as this equally as inspiring as some of the images that appear on this forum. Translating those thoughts into sensible words can be often difficult, but I think you have captured your thinking very well.
Well said!
Michael, great work. BTW, the crotch-mounted gun turret on the Briegel is hilariously disturbing.
Quote from: FichtenFoo on September 25, 2010, 08:18:15 AM
... using a few graphic design theories can help just about anyone create something interesting. (Remember your CRAP! Contrast, Repetition, Alignment, and Proximity)
Would you elaborate a little on this?
Thanks again guys!
Ray: Actually the Briegel is a Garage Kit produced by a friend of mine, Luca Z, in Italy. http://www.kallamity.com He does strange and fantastic mechanical designs.
Quote from: DaKra on September 26, 2010, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: FichtenFoo on September 25, 2010, 08:18:15 AM
... using a few graphic design theories can help just about anyone create something interesting. (Remember your CRAP! Contrast, Repetition, Alignment, and Proximity)
Would you elaborate a little on this?
Heh... sadly I tend to lump all things into "graphic design" since that's what my training and profession is but I think it's probably better described in photographic composition terms. (along with CRAP) I was Googling for a site that could sum it up nicely and these rules seem to do the trick:
http://www.amateursnapper.com/photography/10-top-photography-composition-rules
See also "diagonal rule" here: http://www.colorpilot.com/comp_rules.html
Of course we're dealing with 3D objects viewable from multiple angles, but when I am designing something for a model scene I generally have a photo (or even cinematic sequence) in my head of what I'd like the scene to look like and go from there. (I tend to think more and more of how things would look in the final photos I take which helps... I can already see my finished fish sub photoshopped image) The real trick is to make it interesting from multiple angles. Mock up your layout based on your mental image, then spin it around and see where it could be improved from various angles. Not every angle is going to be awesome, but if you can get 2 or 3 you're in great shape.
If you're having trouble visualizing it, you can always do some rough sketches or even print out photos of your objects all in the same scale and shuffle those around or even use them as "paper dolls" to make and adjust a scene.
Hope that makes sense... sometimes I ramble.
No rambling; just good, solid, educational comments. Thanks. -- Russ
It can be difficult to put it into words as I tend to not think too much about how to do it and just do it. Genuine creativity can't be taught, but a creative person can certainly enhance their abilities. I try to think of myself as a constantly evolving and learning modeler... my big fear is to get too comfortable and fall into complacency and "my way". There's so much to learn and so many techniques that I doubt I could ever master them all... so it's something I can always learn about which is nice.
Quote from: FichtenFoo on September 27, 2010, 11:55:39 AM
It can be difficult to put it into words as I tend to not think too much about how to do it and just do it. Genuine creativity can't be taught, but a creative person can certainly enhance their abilities. I try to think of myself as a constantly evolving and learning modeler... my big fear is to get too comfortable and fall into complacency and "my way". There's so much to learn and so many techniques that I doubt I could ever master them all... so it's something I can always learn about which is nice.
A good approach! When I first got into graphic design, the guy who taught me said you always have to watch out not to design on "automatic", and the better you get, the more you need to try new ways to avoid that trap.
Any good artist, designer, model maker, architect, writer, musician, photographer - whatever means the creative expression takes, never stops learning. Complacency is the downfall, it leads to routine, formulaic repetitive work... kind of paint-by-numbers syndrome. Always push the envelope...
Paul
Quote from: Roughboy on September 22, 2010, 01:22:19 PMlet me know if there's something specific you're looking for and can't find, I may just have it.
Paul
OK Paul here's a request! I'm looking for a commercial font that seems very typical for the 1930s - 50s. I'm not well versed in fonts, so I don't really know how to categorize it, but its a sans serif and you'll see the cross arms of the letters are lower than the center point. Closest I have is Roadway, but its just not right.
Dave
For fun retro fonts check here: http://www.fontdiner.com/
Not what DaKra is seeking, but fun and inspirational nonetheless.
Quote from: DaKra on September 29, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: Roughboy on September 22, 2010, 01:22:19 PMlet me know if there's something specific you're looking for and can't find, I may just have it.
Paul
OK Paul here's a request! I'm looking for a commercial font that seems very typical for the 1930s - 50s. I'm not well versed in fonts, so I don't really know how to categorize it, but its a sans serif and you'll see the cross arms of the letters are lower than the center point. Closest I have is Roadway, but its just not right.
Dave
Sorry I missed your post Dave, not ignoring you... ;) That's a real hodge-podge of fonts... I expect it's a hand-painted sign from all the inconsistencies in the letters. I'll have a look through my collection and see if I can come up with something for you.
Paul
Dave,
Hmmm....a mix of Twentieth Century MT Condensed, and Hattenschweiler, might be a start?
Marc
Quote from: FichtenFoo on September 27, 2010, 11:55:39 AM
It can be difficult to put it into words as I tend to not think too much about how to do it and just do it. Genuine creativity can't be taught, but a creative person can certainly enhance their abilities. I try to think of myself as a constantly evolving and learning modeler... my big fear is to get too comfortable and fall into complacency and "my way". There's so much to learn and so many techniques that I doubt I could ever master them all... so it's something I can always learn about which is nice.
So true...and my computer has become my most important modeling tool lately. I've learned a lot already, and many miles to go...
Michael, you put your finger on something when you mentioned mocking up elements to arrange compositions...which is how I need to work with a scene. My best sketches never look right in 1:1, I need to position items, mull it over, move things around, mull again...I sometimes wonder if I have not spent almost as much time mulling as modeling!
Thanks for sharing your insights, and your beautifully modeled and evocative scene.
More mulling often results in better modeling ... as long as you don't mull instead of model.
I just read that back. It's either brilliant or idiotic.
Okay, I can already imagine the responses. Go stand in the corner.
Russ
My response is , that you need to find yourself a decent editor so that he/she can correct your typo errors ! Ha , Ha , Ha .
Nick
Meet you in the corner
Micheal, since I'm not drawn toward sci-fi project because of the lack of imagination (I think) on my part how does your mind know whats "enough". The pieces being compared in my mind are this project and your Briegel diorama. In looking at both one is way over the top in added on features and this one is much more basic, but when there is no actual prototype except a film or cartoon version how does one choose where to stop?
After reading some of the rules of photography I see many great points,(some in my mind seem to contradict themselves) but then when reading the last line in the second link it says don't be afraid to break the rules. With this in mind I guess its just up to the audience to perceive the art in its given form and see if they get it or like it. KISS theory seems to hold true for many things in life.
Your work is just wonderful and I have totally enjoyed watching it come together, I would love to hear some more about your techniques as you progress. Thanks Pat