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« on: June 14, 2010, 03:02:58 PM »

Hi, allayoozguyz -

I recently weathered a skip which I assembled from a "Back2Bay6" kit. It's all made from white-metal castings, and I added a few additional details. Painting was a red primer "rust" base, sprayed from a rattle-can. this was followed by acrylic washes, and a 2-part (suspended iron filings and liquid rusting solution) rust application from Sophisticated Finishes. Comments and criticism welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 10:16:04 PM »

Wow!...well, the skip model is really cool, and your trackwork (ties and ballast) are beautiful, they look truly real......but unfortunately I really dislike the rust. I have never before seen rust on a real car that has brush strokes in it, and is that "goopey" and looks smeared on.......I wish you had taken a much more subtle and "scale" apporach to the rust, because other than that I think the skips and scene are quite nice.


Marc

PS. Can you tell that I think that 2-part rust stuff is crap? Wink Grin....it should never be used on a model, and I have never seen it used well/with good scale results on a model. It always looks like what it is...stuff for Suzie home-maker or Bob the husband-handyman to paint craft and garden crap around their house with.  Lips sealed
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 02:03:58 AM »

Other than that your models look terrific. -- Russ
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 04:04:08 PM »

That's what is so great about this forum, apart from world class model building, open, concise & constructive opinions about each other's models.

When compared to the politcally correct wishy washy reviews elsewhere this is the only forum where we say it as it is.  lets not drop this most valauble asset.

by the way Russ at the risk of having to go to the corner I am going to have to take you to task about 1/32 & 1/35 scale modelling, since there are some very important points you have missed in your observations.

keep having fun guys

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 04:26:36 PM »

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by the way Russ at the risk of having to go to the corner I am going to have to take you to task about 1/32 & 1/35 scale modelling, since there are some very important points you have missed in your observations.


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     And they are ? Please expand that statement for the rest of us as well .


    I wouldn't worry about being sent into the corner because it is great here . Russ still hasn't realised that being sent to the corner in no punishment at all . We've got all sorts of thing here to make your "sentence " seem like no punishment at all .


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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 04:49:32 PM »

At a glance or even a good look the skips are very nice models. I like them Carlo. I need some in 1:13.7 for my outdoor railway.

But someone in the audience called attention to certain deleterious weathering techniques that, when specifically looked for, certainly could have been reconsidered.

So the question remains, is the overall appearance of a model in context the goal? Is it to be a showcase of the modeler's skill and knowledge of diverse products and techniques? Is there room to consider that a particular modeler may wish to spend only a certain amount of time before he calls the model complete?

And, if he posted 300x200 pixel photos of the overall scene, would that have changed anyone's viewpoint? Posting big photos on the web means you're asking for it!

John

PS I wish someone would create a brief listing of rust techniques and add a link or two for each.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 05:03:51 PM »


John

PS I wish someone would create a brief listing of rust techniques and add a link or two for each.

I don't think that there is a one singular approach to creating rust effects, as different metals and exposure in different environments affect how they oxidize and rust (also what finish was on the metal, how was it oriented to weather, etc., etc.), rust also varies depending on what stage of it's oxidation it is in.  What is important is to carefuly look at reference images, to see how rust looks/occurs/develops/spreads......rust is not just a large mass of orange or red....it is an evolving and developing event....it has finesse and subtlety, especially at the edges where it is continuing to "grow/expand", or where it's run-off leaches into grooves, crevices, onto adjacent surfaces, and into caked on dirt, dust and grime.


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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 05:36:33 PM »

Thanks Marc,

I've used powdered chalk and drybrushing in the smaller scales but I'd like to try the flaking/delaminating effect too. I'll look around for that. I've seen it here somewhere.

John

PS. Did you see this today? http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube/?title=tds-2010-st4-crash-finish&id=-RNAYR3KPIg&w=640. Ouch
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2010, 02:13:50 AM »

Bernard, if I was in error I'd sure like to know where I messed up. Just as positive model criticism can be good, so can corrections of my fallible opinions and understanding of what I perceive to be facts.

Carlo, I bet if you were able either to dissolve or sand down some of that rusting (with the aid of a strong magnifying glass and a steady hand) you could ameliorate much of Marc's criticism. Remember, we all look at your work as though it were 1:1 scale while you look at it in its actual scale from a foot or two away. Since the putty-like texture under high magnification is what Marc finds most offensive, I suspect you could fix it with about an hour's work. Might be worth a try.

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 04:05:11 AM »

Further to that ... the color/texture on the chain coupling the cars looks quite good in the photo ...

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 04:27:31 AM »

 
 
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the color/texture on the chain coupling the cars looks quite good

   that's why the rest of the "rust"looks more like caked dirt to me. As Marc noticed it is missing the specific texture/color variatons that are possible in such a large scale.
   To me it looks like an after thought application.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 11:59:20 AM »

Marc, Jacq, et allia -

Your critiques of my skip weathering were accepted with gratitude. You both made good, sound, comments and suggestions for improving the look of my work.

HOWEVER...
The effect I was going for with these skips was extreme over-use, caked dirt, mud, and rust, etc. I think yooze guyz are too comfortable with the itty-bitty scales, where weathering must be much more subtle. As support for my work, I enter the following example into consideration. This is a real abandoned Welsh slate car, with lots of caked mud and rust (note bright colors of rust). Note the similarity to my own 1" scale skips.

I rest my case, and await further comment...
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2010, 01:30:06 PM »


  Carlo,

  seeing what your intentions are, the last sample photo has it all, but imho each material has it's own color and texture.
  On your skip, the (texture and) streaks are contradictory with the natural appearance of rust and mud.

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2010, 02:00:17 PM »

Hey, Carlo, don't forget where you are! Nobody here will let you get away with the slightest transgression; we're not as tolerant as the large scale contingent. Why do you suppose I post so few examples of my own modeling? -- Russ
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2010, 02:10:56 PM »

OK, Jacque,
I'll grant you that the streaks do look unnatural and detract from the effect. I shoulda been more careful with that part of it. I'll work on my techniques a little more, get more "subtle", more "realistic", and then try another piece for you guys to look at and criticize. Maybe some day I'll pass the test.

Russ, you are correct about the size. It looks much better outside in my garden, from about 3-5 feet away. And, after all, that's what I made it for.

Carlo
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