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« on: January 05, 2014, 05:15:52 AM »

At the start of a new year it looks like my main objective (as last year) is to see how many unfinished projects I can achieve so its off into the unknown again but rely try this time to finish something !
I have been looking at small saw mills and thought I would start with the "power plant" a small steam engine but can not find any measurement's as a  rough guide to the size of these things -found loads of photos all museum type of things with nothing to take a measurement from or a guide size of flywheel or a person standing by the side looking at Marty's "Corliss project" he also states the same "Unfortunately I was not able to find plans/blueprints so I drew my own scaling the plans from photos and the few know dimensions."
any help would much be appreciated and you never know I might break my habit of wandering of and actually finish a project !!
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2014, 09:20:03 AM »

If you find the engine size listed it should get you pretty close to the scale.  A 9 X 12 engine would give you a nine inch bore and a twelve inch stroke.  Add about four inches to each to allow for casting and you should be pretty close.  What do you consider a small sawmill?
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 11:58:01 AM »

Does it have to be a steam engine ? If I was building a sawmill I would run it with an old lorry engine . What about an old Matador ? Surely you , the Lorry Engine King of The World could bang something together in your sleep . If you slept .

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 02:59:58 PM »

Bill - well lets say I'm not talking "Westside Lumber Company" the best example would be the type in the book - The Kerry Tramway " on page 70 it shows a plan and a description of a "Scotch" portable saw mill which uses a 30hp steam engine (portable type on wheels) I'm going for a permanent version which uses a mill engine normally mounted on a concrete block -so its something that could handle logs up to 2ft/2ft 6in diameter.
Nick that's to easy! and you know I love a good headache ! it keeps me awake - saving the 1/35th stuff for the Euro show and going big to 16mm to the foot built 3 versions of steam engines in 1/35th all in the bin now things just did not look right !
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2014, 03:44:18 PM »

Barney
I have a lovely little (horizontal) "mill engine" kit manufactured by Charles Brohmer.
The overall length is about 14 feet.
The flywheel is 4.6 feet.
It is a 8"!by 12" (bore and throw)
I could scan and send the elevations and some basic dentions.
Sadly there are mone on the elevations.

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 11:32:28 PM »

Barney perhaps you can pick something up from some of our "Mill" videos.
Here are a few of them that show the main engine a little bit
Rick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGtzvEFvjA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_wdRkxT7GI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj_avrB-0nE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKNAWpbUfw8&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2014, 03:39:44 AM »

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the best example would be the type in the book - The Kerry Tramway " on page 70 it shows a plan and a description of a "Scotch" portable saw mill which uses a 30hp steam engine (portable type on wheels)

Would a de-wheeled Clayton portable do?


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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2014, 04:35:37 AM »

Robey Portable c1907.


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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2014, 10:34:05 AM »

Thanks to every one for the information you have sent in - much appreciated  at the end of it all I'm going  for the wheel-less portable type this seems to be the one for smaller saw mills and I have even made a start !
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2014, 10:46:38 AM »

That's a relief, was worried that steam might mean an end to Lego blocks  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2014, 11:31:48 AM »

Nice start!
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2014, 01:16:47 PM »

Doh! I just remember these pics I took up in Vermont. The engine is a bit different from the "usual" portable and you have already gone down a path. Maybe the details will be of some use.  I thought it was an interesting looking machine. Ignore the colors(if you can)

It starts with this pic and goes on for a few more:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20941728@N05/11822921333/

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2014, 03:34:11 PM »

Paul - Thanks very interesting photos and that paint job ! looks like some one used all there old paint up when they cleared the shed out
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2014, 06:06:52 AM »

Made a start on the boiler – I have gone for the shorter version - cannot make out what the lump of wood is for on the side - it just makes the wheel support brackets an elaborate casting! But still they seem to leave them on! even when the wheels are taken off
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 06:12:11 AM »

Grandt Line rivets / nuts and bolts and some Titchy trains bolts

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