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Title: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 03, 2010, 09:15:58 PM
Well, the Lumber Stacker diorama is going to need something to pull around carts of fresh wood, and
Micro-Mark is having this sale on $37 On30 Davenports, so....(unlike a stronger Mr. Ruesser) I fell for one.
The boys are deciding where to make the first cut:

(http://images19.fotki.com/v207/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7030002-vi.jpg)

The first thing they did was take the whole thing apart and get rid of that pesky DCC stuff.  Next, they
pulled off the sideframes and indelicately narrowed the frame with a cut-off wheel and a bench grinder:

(http://images56.fotki.com/v1602/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7030004-vi.jpg)

Boxing the frame back in with styrene made the frame as wide as the original sideframes on the kit,
more narrow than the original:

(http://images54.fotki.com/v239/photos/5/15405/8863211/0022-vi.jpg)

I don't have any idea where this is going yet, but at least there's a solid platforn to work with now.

(http://images22.fotki.com/v761/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7030007-vi.jpg)

Have a great Holiday Weekend everyone.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Malachi Constant on July 03, 2010, 09:50:54 PM
Will it have flames and wheelie bars? 

PS -- If it turns out to be a woodie built out of stir sticks, we'll know for sure that you've flipped! ;D

-- Dallas


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: marc_reusser on July 04, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
Ken,

Lookinn' Good Bro! ;).........If you can slow down for just a day, I have the perfect pdf/drawing file and photos for you as inspiration.....it's a Swedish (I think/recall) loco, that used that type of a Ford bonnet and radiator as it's nose. The info is on my BU-HD, just saw it the other day,.... I will dig it out tomorrow evening .....after drinks and watching fireworks.....


Marc


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: finescalerr on July 04, 2010, 03:05:03 AM
I don't care what you turn that thing into. It's gonna be cool. And a serious improvement. -- Russ


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: shropshire lad on July 04, 2010, 08:14:21 AM
Marc ,

   Do you mean something like this ?

   Of course , we all know that this is one of Bernard's little creations .


   Nick


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 04, 2010, 10:17:43 AM
That's the general idea, Nick.  Great reference picture!
Marc, I will definitely hold off until I see your files.
I see some super ideas in the future......
Thanks, all.

(I like the flame idea, too....:-)


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Malachi Constant on July 04, 2010, 11:15:32 AM
Well, I think Bernard's model looks wonderful and is certainly much more refined than what follows ...

Nevertheless ...


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: shropshire lad on July 04, 2010, 12:30:28 PM
That's the general idea, Nick.  Great reference picture!
Marc, I will definitely hold off until I see you files.
I see some supeer ideas in the future......
Thanks, all.

(I like the flame idea, too....:-)

  Ken ,

  I have got a couple more , that you may or may not have seen , but I'm having problems accessing them so I will post them as soon as I can . I think they originally came from Marc , but then again maybe they didn't . As you can tell , I don't really want to commit myself at the moment !

   Nick


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: TRAINS1941 on July 04, 2010, 03:12:21 PM
Ken

Looks to be another winner!!  And our friend Marc didn't crash he must be in the healing mode!!!! ;D

Jerry


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: lab-dad on July 04, 2010, 05:47:11 PM
too bad we dont know someone who could photo-etch some hoods and pieces/parts like that!
-Marty


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: gnichols on July 05, 2010, 05:09:12 AM
Hey Ken,
  Have fun on this new bash... you know how much I like these kinds of gizmos.  Gary

  PS... NICE critter there Nick! 


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: marc_reusser on July 06, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
Ken,

Sorry it took a bit longer to post this.

Here are the two pics.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: marc_reusser on July 06, 2010, 12:12:24 AM
...and here are the drawings.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Krusty on July 06, 2010, 05:17:01 AM
Quote
Ford_A_Critter_1.jpg

[pedant mode]

That's actually a 1926 Planet loco, from the early period when the brand was owned by Kent Construction, built with a 10hp Meadows engine. A Not The Ford A.

[/pedant mode]

Drawing from Engineering mag attached.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: james_coldicott on July 06, 2010, 10:09:59 AM
Quote
That's actually a 1926 Planet loco

which leads me neatly into letting you guys know that this is my first loco kit in my new range of 1/32 18, 20 and 24 inch gauge kits with my first structure kit being released next month. Figures, true 1/32 scale corrugated aluminium and rolling stock all in the pipeline.

Photo etch artwork done and Resin masters coming next.

Watch this space...

James


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Franck Tavernier on July 06, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Ken,

Sorry it took a bit longer to post this.

Here are the two pics.

The model scratchbuilt by my friend Claus Nielsen :

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1433/713238721_77b432160f.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1060/713226541_121c9e933a.jpg)

Enjoy!

Franck


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 06, 2010, 01:45:28 PM
Thanks for all the links, photos & plans, gentlemen.  With that much great ammunition
I'm sure I can cobble something together!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Krusty on July 06, 2010, 05:34:55 PM
Quote
which leads me neatly into letting you guys know that this is my first loco kit in my new range of 1/32 18, 20 and 24 inch gauge kits

Consider one sold (provided it is indeed 1:32 and not that johnny-come-lately heathen 1:35 scale). This loco from a Swedish peat line is closer to a Model A, although I think it may be a 30s Model B. Nice track, too.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 06, 2010, 06:10:19 PM
I love that Swedish critter! That's definitely going into my "someday" projects file.



Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Malachi Constant on July 06, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/mudgeon-06.jpg)

Thanks all for the additional photos, drawings, etc -- great stuff!  Dallas

PS -- If the promised kits ARE in "heathen" scale ... I'll probably take a few ... and build them barefoot!  ;D


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: marc_reusser on July 07, 2010, 02:35:49 AM
Ah Kevin...it's so nice to see you back here. I really missed you participation...be it blunt, curmudgeonly, pedantic, or a just plain W.A.G.  :)


Marc


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Damn Cranky on July 08, 2010, 08:26:02 PM
Oh boy, I can't wait to see more of this one!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: marc_reusser on July 08, 2010, 08:50:39 PM
Ken,

Here's another one.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4650253699_55516bc09a.jpg)


...and here's the link to the larger/higher res photo on the Flickr page:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nystrup_grus/4650253699/sizes/l/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nystrup_grus/4650253699/sizes/l/)

MR


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: eTraxx on July 09, 2010, 04:58:53 AM
Marc, thanks for the link. On the flickr page if you click the photo's owner's name, Claus Nielsen you get to all his photos. Great stuff.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nystrup_grus/

From the above link .. this is an interesting photo. He used it as a basis for a model also.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nystrup_grus/714133090/sizes/l/in/photostream/


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Carlo on July 09, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
Ed,
Thanks for the links to Claus Neilson's work. I like his WWI models. I was particularly taken by his model of the obscure "Campagne Locotracteur" (see below). I have been looking for plans and photos of this loco for years.

Can you (or anyone) give me Claus' email address? (I couldn't find it on Flickr)

Also, any other photos, plans, or links about this loco would be appreciated...
Carlo


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: eTraxx on July 09, 2010, 09:00:38 AM
clausoggitte@nielsen.mail.dk

That's from a post by him on the FS32NGModelrail Yahoo Group ..

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FS32NGModelrail/message/8496


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 11, 2010, 07:55:44 AM
After looking at all this reference material, I really like the appeearance of an exposed motor on
this type of Critter -  but it looks like there will have to be some compromises to make it work.
Here's what I'm doing:

First, I made a wooden buck that followed the shape of the Bachmann motor.  Heated plastic sheet
was formed over the buck (like I did on the Lumber Carrier grill & hood), a suitable section was removed
and cut to shape and a cap was added to one end:

(http://images19.fotki.com/v207/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7090002-vi.jpg)

The completed form sits snuggly over the motor:

(http://images12.fotki.com/v200/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7090004-vi.jpg)

To make this look somewhat like a motor, I built a bank of cylinders and a cylinder head out of styrene....

(http://images53.fotki.com/v1610/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7090007-vi.jpg)

....and glued it to the cover:

(http://images112.fotki.com/v599/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7090006-vi.jpg)

So far I've added more engine details, including an intake/exhaust
made from solder and some model car gaskets and spark plugs:

(http://images56.fotki.com/v1601/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7100002-vi.jpg)

I still don't know if I can sufficiently disguise the grossly misshapen
crank case, but I hope that high sides will do it.  We'll see.

(http://images56.fotki.com/v701/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7100007-vi.jpg)

Stay tuned for more updates.  Thanks for looking.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Philip Smith on July 11, 2010, 09:09:11 AM
slick!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: NORCALLOGGER on July 11, 2010, 09:42:39 PM
Hey Ken,
That's looking great.  Maybe a Ford Flathead V8 would have better fit the motor cover then you could have added Lakers and flames ;) ;D.
Later
Rick


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Damn Cranky on July 12, 2010, 07:12:44 AM
You are on an EYE-CANDY ROLL, Daddy-O!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 12, 2010, 10:19:34 AM
Thanks, guys.
Rick, a flathead would certainly have been easier to wrap around the motor cover and would
provide a lower profile, but I wanted to try a 4-banger (...I like those little motors!).  However,
looking at it now, the in-line motor my indeed be sticking up too far, so I might end up
replacing what I've done with a flathead.  This is a seat-of-the-pants project that's
subject to change mid-stream and I can always use the 4-banger for something else down the road.
(....I still like the "flame & lakers" approach.....)


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Frederic Testard on July 12, 2010, 03:03:48 PM
In any case, this engine is a beauty, Ken.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: LeOn3 on July 14, 2010, 02:37:59 PM
Ken, where do you get the spark plugs? Or is it scratch built.
I am still trying to build a brookville in 1:35 and I am searching how to make an engine, instead of using the hood for hiding the motor of the model

Leon


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 14, 2010, 07:59:15 PM
Leon, the sparkplugs are metal castings from "R&D Unique", which unfortunately is out of business.
I believe some other model car aftermarket guys are making some, though.  I'll see what I can dig up.

After much pondering, which was stalling the project to almost a complete standstill, I decided to bite
the bullet, roll up my sleeves,knuckle down (and whatever other cliches apply) and settle on a direction...
...which is this:

(http://images112.fotki.com/v599/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7140018-vi.jpg)

I dug out a Lindeberg 1/25th scale '32 Ford pickup, cut down the grill, cut and narrowed the cowl,
cut one of the kit's bucket seats and use this as a starting point.

(http://images110.fotki.com/v572/photos/5/15405/8863211/P7140019-vi.jpg)

(Somewhat) high sides should cover what I need to cover and still give the look of an open motor. 
The '32 grill will set the timeline a little later than I would've liked, but that will also justify the
severe weathering on the Lumber Stacker that this will be sitting near on the diorama.

It's not exactly the look I was after, but it's close enough for my first Critter...and I can tell there
WILL be more!  Once the first completedmodel is under my belt I'll be less hesitant to jump in and
play harder next time!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: finescalerr on July 15, 2010, 02:36:31 AM
Stand by, folks. Here he goes again! -- Russ


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: gnichols on July 15, 2010, 03:58:27 AM
Ken,
  Glad you have a direction now!  I really like the looks of it with the Lindberg parts... but I'm sure if you check the box you'll see it's a 34 Ford kit.  I know you know that, but I couldn't resist one small jab.  Any plans for stuff like... a roof?  Hood or open motor? (please no sides to cover up that cute engine).  Thinking of colors yet?  Later, Gary


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on July 15, 2010, 05:54:08 AM
Good eye, Gary.  Must've had a Senior Moment. It is indeed a '34

The sides will probably extend up to about the bottom of the generator, just enough
to disguise the swollen crankcase. No roof is planned as of yet, but a bracket with
an umbrella to shield the driver from the sun might be fun.

Color will probably be "Industrial Rust Under Faded Yellow"


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 15, 2010, 06:20:23 PM
I got one of those '34 Ford truck kits from ebay. It just arrived today. I too will be using it to create a little railtruck -- but I don't know yet when I'll get started on it.





Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Craig_H on July 15, 2010, 06:50:37 PM
Ray,   If Russ would put a for sale section in this forum ::) for its members.....you could of bought it from me... as i have some doubles of some model kits i would of had listed ;D ;D           


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Damn Cranky on July 20, 2010, 07:43:37 AM
LOL, it's official now, Hamilton.  You used the word "diorama" in conjunction with all these vehicles.  We are in for a real treat indeed!

Okay, where is that box of popcorn I was saving for a rainy day? ;D


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Philip Smith on July 26, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
The straight six looks good.

A V-8 flathead would be more convincing tho..

Philip


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on September 10, 2010, 06:28:43 AM
Philip, a V-8 would've been nice, but the 4-banger was easier to build!

Progress to date includes the first stages of paint:

(http://images18.fotki.com/v347/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9090010-vi.jpg)

Got the side panels done, too....

(http://images54.fotki.com/v452/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9090007-vi.jpg)

...and the see-thru grill:

(http://images54.fotki.com/v58/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9090012-vi.jpg)


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: TRAINS1941 on September 10, 2010, 07:38:12 AM
Ken

Very nice indeeed.  It's going to look great with the lumbe loader, can't wait to see the diorama all together.

Jerry


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Chuck Doan on September 10, 2010, 07:48:11 AM
Looking good, Ken! I'm confused though, are you going to hide that engine with the side panels?


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Damn Cranky on September 10, 2010, 08:18:03 AM
If I know Ken, I am going to say he is going to have the panels be removeable so that he can play with the photographs.

Ken, this shot is my fave far and I really wish I could see you paint something one day . . .

(http://images18.fotki.com/v341/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9090015-vi.jpg)


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Philip Smith on September 10, 2010, 08:21:39 AM
Philip, a V-8 would've been nice, but the 4-banger was easier to build!

Progress to date includes the first stages of paint:

Got the side panels done, too....
...and the see-thru grill:


I concur!  ;D  NICE!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: lab-dad on September 10, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
how'd you do the radiator? layers of mesh?
What technique did you use on the yellow, hairspray, salt or?.....
Love the seat too!
-Mj


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on September 10, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
Thanks, guys:
Chuck, the motor won't be hidden TOO much by the side panels.  You'll be able to look
down from the top and see most of it:

(http://images12.fotki.com/v253/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9050008-vi.jpg?1283777027)

What I'm trying to hide (or at least underplay) is the huge, unprototypically bulbous
lower portion of the engine block.

The grill was done using Detail Master 1/25th scale photo-etched "Radiator Screen". 
This closeup really shows how cool this stuff is:

(http://images56.fotki.com/v773/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9090016-vi.jpg)

Looking at the right side you'll see that the cooling fins are relief etched so the vertical channels stand out.
I glued thin floral wire behind the vertical channels to give the radiator more depth, then covered
the backside with a piece of small, generic mesh screen.

The finish is:
1)  Plasti-Kote T-235 (gray) Sandable Primer (My favorite primer);
2)  A dusting of Rustoleum American Accents "Sandstone", a very fine texture paint that's right up
there with Rustoleum "Terra Cotta" on my new favorite list;
3)  Rubber cement dabbed on with a small iece of Scotchbrite pad;
4)  Brush-coat of Jo Sonja Yellow;
5)  Pulled off the rubber cement with tape;
6)  Went over the whole thing with a thin wash of yellow;
7)  The last step will involve adding flecks of dark rust here & there with some streaking, etc.
using pastel chalk dust.

Thanks again for all the comments. 


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Chuck Doan on September 10, 2010, 12:51:38 PM
Oh, OK I didn't remember it was going to be topless.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: finescalerr on September 10, 2010, 03:32:55 PM
This model makes me happy. -- Russ


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ray Dunakin on September 10, 2010, 08:00:20 PM
Sweet!


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Damn Cranky on September 11, 2010, 05:10:06 PM
Hamilton, I had to beat you to the post and share the eye-candy with your fans here:

This picture, like Russ says, makes me very happy.

(http://images56.fotki.com/v701/photos/5/15405/7661304/100_0343A-vi.jpg)


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Frederic Testard on September 12, 2010, 07:47:06 AM
The paint of the Davenport is wonderful, Ken.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Damn Cranky on September 13, 2010, 06:46:56 AM
Ken, sorry if I asked this before, but is this one able to run on the track, or did you remove the motor and wires etc.?


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: TRAINS1941 on September 13, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
Oh, OK I didn't remember it was going to be topless.

Chuck your embarrassing ssuR!!!!!

Ken beautiful work.

Jerry


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: Ken Hamilton on September 13, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
......is this one able to run on the track, or did you remove the motor and wires etc.?
This one runs, Crank.  I just removed the DCC chip.

(http://images12.fotki.com/v215/photos/5/15405/8863211/P9040007-vi.jpg)

Thanks for the nice comments, gentlemen.


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: artizen on September 13, 2010, 05:12:09 PM
I have four Davenports - all about to become Steam Punk reincarnations on my Gn15 layout. Bet they don't look like this one or look as good either. But I am taking notes.  ;D


Title: Re: Another On30 Davenport
Post by: marc_reusser on September 21, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Can't believe I missed the progress on this....So cool.  I really like the different coloring and textures  in the scene.

Thanks for the tip/info on the radiator mesh.

M