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Title: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on May 20, 2010, 09:45:13 AM
Hi All

I am new to this forum so first up a little introduction.

I am 35 years old and live in the UK near Birmingham.  I have been modelling to 4mm scale as long as I can remember and to finescale P4 standards since I was 15.  My current (and probably only) project is to model the major station nearest my house and the city that surrounds it.  The overall layout will be 62 feet long and 20 feet deep and will eventually be exhibited at shows in the UK.  What follows are some pictures of my progress so far.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/stock/units/Resources/b.jpeg)

Before I started the main layout I built a small test plank.  I knew I could hand build track but I had never built OLE (overhead) before.  I also use this as a scenic background for taking pictures and as a programming/test track

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/layout/Resources/theplank2.jpeg)

The OLE on the plank was OK but for the main layout I needed something better.  These are my current pieces.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/standard%20mast.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/welded%20rod%20portal.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/heavyweight%20leg%20finished.jpg)

The main layout is coming along nicely too - here are some pictures of a section of it

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/brummy%20vehicles.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/acs%20parked.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/little%20area%204.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/tamper@bns.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/staff%20building%20done%203.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/signal%20box%20play.jpg)

All of the track is hand built and all of the structures built from scratch.  I hope you like them and feel free to ask any questions.

Regards

Jim




Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on May 20, 2010, 09:51:47 AM
Nice to see a talented modeller like you joining the forum!
 
Very nice modelling and photography. Looking forward to more postings from you.

-Håvard


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Chuck Doan on May 20, 2010, 09:54:26 AM
Wow, Jim there is some nice stuff there! That overhead is very nicely done. I have always admired the bravery of those who do overhead wires!

How much of the 62' are done so far?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: eTraxx on May 20, 2010, 10:01:43 AM
Hey Jim. Good to see you over here. I think this forum will be a good place for a modeler of your skill.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jacq01 on May 20, 2010, 10:35:09 AM
  Hello Jim,

  very nice and wel done. Particullary the overhead wire looks good.  What size wire do you use ?

  On my H0 Dreimuehlentalbahn the catenary was made from 0,25 steel wire and 0,15 shellack wire.
  In Cologne on the first main exhibition a .... wanted to take a "special" photograph and reach very far inside the layout with his camera.
  The sling of the camera hooked behind a mast and instead of carefully undoing it, he pulled back abruptly, pulling two mast out and 12-14 feet
  of catenary. .....
 
   With the delicacy you are building, it will be a major exercise to set it up and have all overhead wire up.
   It will also be a challenge at shows to keep unwanted intrusion ( fingers, camera's etc ) out of the way as crowd barriers are rare.
   When will the layout be shown in Warley ??

   I like to see more, including a floor layout with trackplan. When do you think to have it all ready for the exhibition circus ?
   Do you plan to show the layout outside the UK ?

   Jacq
 
 



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: DaKra on May 20, 2010, 11:20:15 AM
Great work!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: SandiaPaul on May 20, 2010, 02:08:50 PM
62'?! "Make no little plans for they don't have the power to stir men's souls"
Great work I thought the first image was the prototype!

Paul


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: marc_reusser on May 20, 2010, 07:23:55 PM
Jim,

Welcome to the forum.

WOW....that's some lovely work. I thought the first photo was the real thing! The overhead work is just beautiful.

Great work on the structures as well. The yard tower (I assume thats what it is) is very cool,....the effect of the blinds in the windows really lends to a convincing/realistic air.

I look forward to seeing more of your work, and progress on this layout....look forward to any SBS's as well ;D


Marc


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on May 20, 2010, 08:45:13 PM
Welcome aboard! Wow, what an amazing project! Very nice work!

Pardon my ignorance, but I have no idea how big "4mm" scale is. Can you give me some idea how that compares in size to, say, 1/48th scale?



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: eTraxx on May 20, 2010, 09:49:41 PM
4mm on the model equals 1 ft on the prototype or .. 1:76.2

OO gauge uses 4mm scale with 16.5mm track .. or .. HO track (this was because 'back in the day' they couldn't fit motors into the loco bodies at HO because English railcars are smaller).

P4 is finescale modeling .. uses 4mm scale (1:76) with 18.83mm track with wheel flanges close to scale


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on May 21, 2010, 02:22:46 AM
Your modeling is satisfactory, Jim. I'm glad you posted the images. At 35 you may be the youngest or nearly the youngest guy here and, because we are jealous, we will show you no mercy.

Ray, 4mm scale is the British equivalent of HO (3.5 mm = 1 foot) and they call it OO. Dude, where have you been for the past half century?

Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 21, 2010, 08:25:58 AM
Wow, Jim there is some nice stuff there! That overhead is very nicely done. I have always admired the bravery of those who do overhead wires!

How much of the 62' are done so far?

Thanks for the warm welcome Chaps

So far 8 ft is fairly well progressed as follows

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/progress%202%20april%202010.jpg)

Overall 22 feet is complete as far as track laying goes. This is the other end of the station

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/north%20end%20overview.jpg)

The following plan shows the overall plan for the complete layout.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/layout/Resources/plan4.jpeg)

There is lots more on my website www.p4newstreet.com (http://www.p4newstreet.com)

Regards

Jim









Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 21, 2010, 08:29:03 AM
  Hello Jim,

  very nice and wel done. Particullary the overhead wire looks good.  What size wire do you use ?

  On my H0 Dreimuehlentalbahn the catenary was made from 0,25 steel wire and 0,15 shellack wire.
  In Cologne on the first main exhibition a .... wanted to take a "special" photograph and reach very far inside the layout with his camera.
  The sling of the camera hooked behind a mast and instead of carefully undoing it, he pulled back abruptly, pulling two mast out and 12-14 feet
  of catenary. .....
 
   With the delicacy you are building, it will be a major exercise to set it up and have all overhead wire up.
   It will also be a challenge at shows to keep unwanted intrusion ( fingers, camera's etc ) out of the way as crowd barriers are rare.
   When will the layout be shown in Warley ??

   I like to see more, including a floor layout with trackplan. When do you think to have it all ready for the exhibition circus ?
   Do you plan to show the layout outside the UK ?

   Jacq


Hi Jacq

I use 0.25mm nickel coated steel for the contact wire and 0.2mm brass for the catenary wire.  The layout is designed so that every baseboard joint in the station area falls under a bridge so that all the OLE can be self contained and tensioned in the bridges.

Best regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 26, 2010, 06:15:57 AM
Hi All

I thought a few pictures of what I am working on at the moment for you.

Starting with track.  Most of the pointwork at the real New Street uses Westinghouse EP point motors however there are a couple of double slips where there wasnt room.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/clamp%20locks%202.jpg)

My friend Colin Craig has produced some part to allow the Clamp lock type point motor to be modelled.  These are his parts in position on my layout

He has also done a little etch for the point numbering you find on British turnouts

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/Colins%20ID%20plates.jpg)

The following picture shows one of the walls for the layout - I did an etch for the arches

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/P1%20wall.jpg)

and after paint

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/platform%201%20wall.jpg)

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: lab-dad on May 26, 2010, 07:19:32 AM
That wall is very impressive, the etching is a great idea as well.
How was the rest of the wall made? carved or a mold?
-Marty


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: eTraxx on May 26, 2010, 08:27:43 AM
He uses styrene sheet brick I believe for most of his walls


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 26, 2010, 10:17:40 AM
Yes indeed

Embossed plasticard over base of card or foamboard.

HTH

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on May 26, 2010, 02:28:17 PM
For future brickwork, see whether DaKra has anything you can use. His laser cut brick walls seem to blow away plastic.

The etched arches are a clever, innovative touch. The entire layout, from top to bottom, is a jewel.

Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 26, 2010, 04:05:17 PM
Thanks Russ

At the moment I use 2 types of plasticard.  One from south eastern finecast and one from slaters.  The SEF one is rounder than slaters and thus better for older. more worn brick.  The Slaters is sharper and better for new brick but the big problem it has is it isnt square!  I'll have a close look ar DaKra's stuff.

One little tip that some may or may not know is the method I use for picking out individual brick colours. The fastest way I have found is to use artists markers.  You need to either use it at the end of the weathering process (I use washes and it will wash the marker off!) of seal it with something like dullcote before weathering.

Hope thats useful to someone

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birminhgam (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 26, 2010, 04:13:03 PM

   I like to see more, including a floor layout with trackplan. When do you think to have it all ready for the exhibition circus ?
   Do you plan to show the layout outside the UK ?

   Jacq


Appologies Jacq

I missed some of your questions.   I dont expect the layout to be anywhere near finished for about another 20 years but I do take sections to shows as a work in progress demo.  I have one in a couple of weeks actually.  As long as shows dont cost me any extra money (I dont look to make a profit, just vehicle hire, fuel, accommodation along with breakfast and lunch) plus my team of operators dont mind the trip and can spare the time I will happily consider taking the layout anywhere.  I would like to do at least one show in Europe at some point.

The thing is I love making models. I have to know they work and work well but I have little interest in operating when the truth be told.  If the layout keeps me busy for ever and never gets completed I will be quite happy.  Having said that a lot of people have kindly said they are eager to see it.

All the best

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: trisonic on May 28, 2010, 03:55:57 AM
Hi, Jim.
So good to see your "sterling" work on this site.
You want it to last a lifetime? I was hoping you'd start on a major London terminus next (my favorite: Liverpool St., modern day).

Best, Pete.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 29, 2010, 01:25:48 AM
Hi, Jim.
So good to see your "sterling" work on this site.
You want it to last a lifetime? I was hoping you'd start on a major London terminus next (my favorite: Liverpool St., modern day).

Best, Pete.

Afraid not Pete.  Others stations dont have the emotional appeal for me.  Sure Birmingham is grim but I spent many an hour on the platform as a teenager.

Jim



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 29, 2010, 01:26:47 AM
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/87009%20first%20run.jpg)

Ok whats all this then?  This picture was taken just after 87009 ( 'City of Birmingham' naturally) became the first loco to run from one end of the station to the other under its own power.   :D

My car port acts like a big soft box so I took a pic of the walls and hut I have been working on recently

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/BNS%20progress%20may%202010.jpg)

Back in August 2008 the layout looked like this

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w116/Jim_Smith-Wright/model%20railways/CRW_5476.jpg)

This is how it looks now

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/overview%201%20may%202010.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/overview%202%20may%202010.jpg)
(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/overview%203%20may%202010.jpg)

Peak and coaches for scale - to save you counting the peak has 12 on. 

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: trisonic on May 29, 2010, 03:31:09 AM

Afraid not Pete.  Others stations dont have the emotional appeal for me.  Sure Birmingham is grim but I spent many an hour on the platform as a teenager.

Jim


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I know my question was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek and I too know exactly what you mean. I remember when they  were rebuilding Liverpool St in the late eighties and were cleaning all the crap off the walls - it was a Proustian moment; the smell of coal and oil took me instantly back to my youth in the early sixties.
"Emotional appeal" - call it what you will  - has such a strong tug on our psyche.

Best, Pete.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: marc_reusser on June 04, 2010, 12:25:47 AM
Very nice. It is really cool to see somene building a real scale station and setting, tather than the all too common charicaturish compressed ones.

Marc


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 04, 2010, 06:17:49 AM
Very nice. It is really cool to see somene building a real scale station and setting, tather than the all too common charicaturish compressed ones.

Marc

Thanks Marc

I am very aware of just how large the real world is compared to railways (Our trains are much smaller than those in the US too).  Its a way off yet but Birminghams most iconic building is a round tower called the rotunda - it dominates the london end of the station.  see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotunda_(Birmingham)

I have managed to source a couple of fish tanks that I intend to use for my model of it, I show them here with a class 47 locomotive for scale.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/rotunda%201.jpg)

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: JohnP on June 08, 2010, 08:51:46 PM
Look I knew it! See the last picture, the bed-like stuff, the layout behind, trains on the floor- this young man doesn't need to eat, barely to sleep (is there such a thing as modelsomnia?) and has devoted his life- and living space- to this incredible undertaking. A worthy devotion to be sure.

Actually, having a great interest in track and other right-of-way technicalities, the trackwork you are doing is marvelous in its detail. And the catenary too. There is nothing there to distract or draw attention, just a mechanical, realistic look. That will make the buildings and city scape rest on a solid visual foundation.

Yet another website to study. Attractively done too. Nice work Jim.

John



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: marc_reusser on June 08, 2010, 10:04:31 PM
Holy cow!....that is going to be huge!...and quite the project/undertaiking. Look forward to seeing how you go about it.

I had something like those tubes when I was in college.....only it wasnt used as a fish tank. ;) ;D ;D ;D



M


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on June 08, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
I think this is the correct wiki link for the prototype building:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Rotunda,_Birmingham.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Rotunda,_Birmingham.jpg)



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 26, 2010, 07:16:57 AM
Hi All

A while ago a couple of guys came up to me and announced that one of my walls was wrong.  Without hesitation I asked if it was the cone?!  It was!

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/cone.jpg)

Just for those guys!  Why a traffic cone is up there I have no idea but its been there for years!  If you were building a freelance layout would you ever think to put a cone in such a place? 

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on July 14, 2010, 12:40:11 PM
Hi All

While I was outside this evening I took a quick shot of one of my buildings.  Things always look nice in natural light.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/staff%20building%20natural%20light.jpg)

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: eTraxx on July 21, 2010, 09:25:41 AM
Jim. If you Photo-Chopped that into a real street scene it would be hard to tell it was a model. Can't get much better then that.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on July 21, 2010, 02:06:24 PM
The modeling itself is excellent. The molded bricks, however, suffer from the rounded edges common to most smaller scale injection molded brickwork. To my eye, that's a major giveaway and, unfortunately, there's nothing to be done about it at this stage.

Let me encourage every contributor and visitor to this site (since we set our standards higher than the Great Unwashed) to find more convincing materials for bricks. Dave's laser cut brick walls (Vector Cut) are one possibility. Nick's individual bricks are another (for larger scales). In cases where you don't see a corner, carefully scribed cardstock might work. Or do-it-yourself plaster. Or anything but injection molded plastic with rounded edges.

Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on July 21, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
Hi Russ

Thank you for the comments

Bricks do round off as they get older.  This brick is South eastern finecast and isnt as crisp as the Slaters bricks.  I did give them a little sand down first to square them off a bit but as this building is part of the original station and thus well over 150 years old I didnt want bricks that look too new.  Also as a wall ages the mortar shrinks or rots away which also affects the rounded look of the wall. 

Sadly the original is all but gone now - with just the front wall left last time I was there.  The station is being re-built and the building (the last of the original station) was dangerous.  If they didnt pull it down it would fall down!   It has been boarded up for at least a decade.  Shame.

Regards

Jim



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on August 27, 2010, 11:41:25 AM
Hi All

A few evenings along with some contents of the scrap box has resulted in this - I managed to frost the windows when I stuck them in but a coat of Klear (Future for you guys) and the fact the the glass was actually polycarbonate on the real things which reacted badly to sunlight and I kind of like the result.

Rather depressingly this represents 3 square inches of scenary for the finished layout.  Eventually there will need to be 450 square feet so while it would be great to go to the levels of details you guys do I only have one life to build the layout in!  ;)

Regards

Jim

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/bus%20stop%20finished.jpg)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: eTraxx on August 27, 2010, 12:42:43 PM
Rather like it myself. Predator came out in 1987 so that pretty much sets the time-frame - which is kind of strange as I remember where I was in 1987 (went back in the army) .. but not anything about the movie being shown at that time.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on September 28, 2010, 08:04:59 AM
Hi All

Been messing around with the plank again!  Some experimentation with long exposures and a single white LED

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/plank%20at%20night.jpg)

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/45457%20at%20night.jpg)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on September 28, 2010, 08:42:22 AM
Hi All

Been messing around with the plank again!  Some experimentation with long exposures and a single white LED


The first shot is rather spooky, add a couple of figures and you could have a very interesting and very different MR scene.

The second looks like a modern British version of an image by O. Winston Link!

(http://www.forensicgenealogy.info/images/link_portrait.jpg)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: JohnP on September 28, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
Hey all that stuff is in the Link museum here in Roanoke, VA. I live close by. If any of you are planning a trip send me a message. Some of the photo sites are still recognizable, and all the mainlines are still busy.

I have a camera like one of those too. Not the flash set up though!

John


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: RoughboyModelworks on September 28, 2010, 09:14:44 PM
Those are great photos Jim... very evocative.

Yes John the Link photos are wonderful aren't they? I always figured he owned a flash bulb company as well. He must have gone through thousands of them.

Paul


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: DaKra on September 29, 2010, 06:14:46 AM
Those are some very nice night views, Jim.   I've made many attempts to get this sort of lighting with my camera, failed every time.   I'm interested in the technical details of how you did it, camera type, etc if you don't mind taking the time.

Winston Link, one of my all time favorites.  I have two books of his work which I never grow tired of browsing. 

Dave


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on September 29, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
Hi Guys

Thanks for the heads up about Winston Link.  He was also mentioned on another forum and I am somewhat embarrased to say I had no idea who he was.  I will go and educate myself!

Dave, the lighting is actually just a single white LED powered off a watch battery!  The room was in complete darkness otherwise.  I used a Canon 300d on ISO 400 and a 30 second exposure at F22.

HTH

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hector Bell on October 16, 2010, 01:28:42 PM
Just found this thread and I totally disagree with Russ about moulded brick sheets.  Bricks are not rounded like cobbles but all brick sheets whatever scale are very rounded and need to be sanded back to remove it or the thousands of tiny brilliants when photographed ruin the effect.  It's even worse when the moulding itself is irregular as is the case with some of the sheets you've used.  As Russ says, the modelmaking is excellent, but the materials are letting you down.
I always sand brick plastic down to within an ace of its life and it still takes a mortar colour. It will also take any paint better as it will be keyed up by the sandpaper.

Bricks don't go rounded with age, only with wear and a flat wall will take no wear and only in small parts even if it does, and even then it will be more damaged than worn.  I've lived in a Tudor house  (15th Century), preWar houses, early Victorian and Edwardian.  None of them had brick wear or damage except by frost spalling (an interesting effect, btw).
Hope this is taken in the constructive vein in which it was intended.

Martin


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on October 21, 2010, 08:48:25 AM
Hi Martin

Thanks for your comments, the wear in Birmingham up until recently was acid erosion from rain.  Compare pictures of buildings now to even as recent as the early 90s and they are much, much cleaner.  Some walls have next to no mortar left in them which is where the plants take hold and lead to the mortar looking darker than the brick not lighter as it originally was.  For the ultimate example of acid erosion rounding objects have a look at the body of the sphinx.

It's interesting you mention the irregularity as laser cut materials are quite new here.  One thing that let's them down is they are too prescise.  After all bricks are hand laid and in this case were not machine produced.  Try it yourself, find a brick wall and look along one of the courses and you will see it's very irregular.  I wonder if etched bricks but with the artwork drawn by hand not on computer might be the ultimate answer?

The ultimate irony of this is that the building in question is hidden behind a wall and road junction on the finished layout!   

Keep the comments coming as they are making me think and ask questions which is the point isn't it?

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hector Bell on October 21, 2010, 09:31:58 AM
Jim, I somehow typed the word "disagree" instead of "agree" back there, so apologies to Russ and for any confusion caused. 
I do think that moulded bricks should be sanded down.  The regularity problem is removed by careful colouration of the individual bricks, not all of them, but odd ones here and there and by playing with mortar colours, varied across any large expanse, but it all comes to nought if the bricks are rounded off like cobbles and that's how they come from the manufacturers in sheet form and is the single most obvious telltale of a lack of care.  Considering the enormous amount of excellent work you've put in to the model, a few minutes sanding a sheet BEFORE you make anything from it would pay massive dividends.
I hope you take this as a constructive criticism in the friendly way it's meant, but it is one of my little hobby horses!

Cheers,
Martin


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on October 21, 2010, 12:16:38 PM
Hi martin

I thought I mentioned that I do sand the sheets but looking back now I guess that must have been on another forum.   I use 2 different brands of sheet depending on the age of the wall I am building.

Your comments are taken entirely as you intended - no worries there!

Hth

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: DaKra on October 21, 2010, 01:22:40 PM
The molded brick sheets have advantage of being easy to cut and glue, and some people can make them look OK.   Sometimes the effort spent striving for perfection just kills the momentum.  I think Jim did a great job with the materials he had, the brick walls look really good to me.   

Dave


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on November 30, 2010, 11:19:39 AM
Thanks Dave

I do see what the chaps are saying about the roundness of the bricks and while I would love to go to the levels Chuck does (If I could that is) my project is just too big even taking into account my young (ish) age.

I am unashamedly here as an admirer of the work put forward and very much doubt I will be able to contribute much but as long as you guys are happy with me lurking and dont mind me posting a few pictures now and then I will stick around.  So...

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/eagle%20at%20BNS.jpg)

30 second esposure using just 3 white LED's as a light source.  The grain was a pure accident but adds to the 1980's feel I think.  Lights and exhaust added in photoshop.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/58%20at%20BNS.jpg)

Again 30 seconds with a single white LED at the back.  No photoshoppery here except for normal finishing.  This was one of those things I only had one shot at.  The reason being I was weathering the platform tops with a wash of thin colour and thus they were wet.  The platforms wont be wet (intentionally anyway) again.

Regards

Jim



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on February 04, 2011, 04:34:21 AM
Hi all

I have for a while been meaning to model the large brackets the bridges of Hill St and Naviagation street sit on.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/bridge%20supports%20on%203.jpg)

As I need 8 of them I thought it best to design a little etch.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/bridge%20support%201.jpg)

The above shows the 2 parts assembled. 

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/bridge%20support%202.jpg)

The completed bracket

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/bridge%20support%203.jpg)

And again, sat on a penny for scale.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on February 04, 2011, 04:35:23 AM
Hi All

most of my platform lamps are different in one way or another.  Some have no extra bits, some have Phones, some HST stop signs and some loadspeakers or combinations of some/all. The one at the front of the layout has all 3 - makes a change for the complex one not the be hidden by something else!  A little etch for the folding base thing!

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/platform%20lamp%20final.jpg)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Junior on February 04, 2011, 06:47:11 AM
That´s some really neat work for such a small detail!

Anders ;D


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: TRAINS1941 on February 04, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Hi Jim

Welcome.  Just trying to catch up with some of the stuff I've missed.

Very nice indeed.  Seems like you have your work cut out for next 15 or 20 years.  Good luck with the project and keep posting those pictures.

Jerry


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Chuck Doan on February 04, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
Those bridge shoes are great!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on February 04, 2011, 10:18:12 PM
Nice work, especially the bridge shoes.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on February 08, 2011, 03:58:38 AM
Thanks Gents

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on February 26, 2011, 07:20:23 AM
Hi Bill

There are 2 - the larger 1 with the access for the vehicles will be on the next board. The pedestrian only 1 the board after that one.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on January 22, 2012, 04:57:29 AM
Hi all

Back in September I took the layout so far to scaleforum exhibition as a work in progress.  It's always nice to see your stuff through the lens/eyes of a third party and a small gallery can be seen here

http://www.scalefour.org/shows/S4um2011/new_st.html (http://www.scalefour.org/shows/S4um2011/new_st.html)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 22, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
Nice pics, and some really great modeling! Some of those pics could pass for the real thing.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on January 22, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
Hi all

Back in September I took the layout so far to scaleforum exhibition as a work in progress.  It's always nice to see your stuff through the lens/eyes of a third party and a small gallery can be seen here

http://www.scalefour.org/shows/S4um2011/new_st.html (http://www.scalefour.org/shows/S4um2011/new_st.html)

Cheers

Jim

Happy to hear from you again! A very inspiring project, excellent modelling. A young mans Retford, if you catch my drift...


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on January 22, 2012, 02:45:49 PM
The layout represents a lot of effort. Nice job. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on July 30, 2012, 11:35:49 AM
Thanks russ

Not posted any pics for a while

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/87035atBNSjune2012b.jpg)

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/hstatBNSjune2012.jpg)

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/weathered%20track%203.jpg)

Ok no where near the sort of stuff you guys do but I hope you enjoy them anyway

Jim





Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Chuck Doan on July 30, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
That is some impressive trackwork! Good looking trains too.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Frederic Testard on July 30, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
Yes, the track is really splendid.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 30, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
Nice!

What is the purpose of the frog in the track on the far right?



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: W.P. Rayner on July 30, 2012, 10:23:56 PM
Agreed... incredible trackwork...well done.

Paul


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on July 31, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
Thanks guys

The mystery frog was just dumped there in my reference pictures so i added it to the model too.  Nothing more significant than that im afraid

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on July 31, 2012, 02:29:12 PM
It's a great project, Jim! Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on August 11, 2012, 11:47:54 AM
Hi All

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/darkpicsraw.jpg)

A bit of an experiment this,  2 shots taken for one picture.  The upper one is an overall shot, with a single spotlight bounced from the roof.  The lower one the only light source is an LED in the coach and a hand held LED above the station lamp.  By combining the two, lightening up the lamp and darkening the sky plus some work with curves and a tiny but of lens flair (mostly rubbed out though) the end result is below.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/31457inthedark.jpg)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on August 11, 2012, 02:29:46 PM
Next time try combining both lighting approaches in a single exposure. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on August 11, 2012, 03:02:27 PM
Will do russ.  I probably need to make some shutters and stands first though.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: SandiaPaul on August 12, 2012, 06:34:05 PM
I think this is a great photo, and great modelmaking.

Try getting your eye level down some like this image:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=388728&nseq=62&favsearch=1


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on August 24, 2012, 01:47:04 AM
Jim, I just saw the signal box article in MRJ 215. Excellent work. By the way, I dont think the prototype building is ugly at all!

Regards, Hauk


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 31, 2013, 09:40:05 AM
Hi all

I have a bit of a fascination with less than ideal photographs.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/86261atBNSnov2012DC.jpg)

The above image was deliberately cross curved (read ruined) because that tends to be what happens at the real location.  The combination of poor, odd coloured lighting under the roof and daylight in the background meant that you vary rarely see good pictures from the real new street.  Although there's a fair bit of work involved in recreating these sort of throw away shots I kind of like them.

I hope that when the roof is on and the model lights are in place you will get the same sort of problems on the model that you did at the real place

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 31, 2013, 09:53:52 AM
Although us Brits are famous for talking about the weather we don't model it much.  You sometimes see layouts set in the snow but rarely the rain.  Odd really as it rains on average 1 out of 3 days.  I don't want the model set while it's raining but the idea of an hour or do after a shower, when most things have dried but there are still puddles really appeals. 

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/puddles.jpg)

The above was my first experiment and is simply puddles of Klear (futur) floor polish.  I did it this was as its reversible, if I don't like it a blast of matt varnish and it dissapears.  It looked ok but not right and having looked closer at real puddles it's because there's no discolouration, so...

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/puddle-test-1.jpg)

This time on a scrap piece of card quickly sprayed to look like Tarmac but the puddles are sprayed gently with black first and then klear.  Below is as another view

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/puddle-test-2.jpg)

What are your thoughts people?

Jim




Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: 1-32 on May 31, 2013, 10:38:20 AM
hi
great track junction,i would love to see your signal box-please
kind regards kim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 31, 2013, 10:46:05 AM
Thanks Kim

New street signal box is unique in the Uk (probably the world) and is a listed building.  Below is the model from the road side

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/brunel-street-final-1.jpg)

And from track side

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/signal%20box%20from%20below.jpg)

And a little bit of lens flair

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/signal%20box%20play.jpg)

Regards

Jim






Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on May 31, 2013, 11:41:35 AM
I don't know how to comment about the puddles but I'm glad you're back. I thought you had dropped off the planet. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 31, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
Thanks Russ

Any feedback/opinion on the puddles will be very welcome as its a kind of all or nothing thing.  If its a bad idea, looks crap whatever I'd rather people said so I don't do it, If someone has another way I'm happy to experiment and try other things.  

Please just say what you think as its something I'd like to do but it's going to bugger up a lot of work if I get it wrong.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on May 31, 2013, 01:23:36 PM
Thanks russ

Any feedback/opinion on the puddles will be very welcome as its a kind of all or nothing thing.  If its a bad idea, looks crap whatever I'd rather people said so I don't do it, If someone has another way I'm happy to experiment and try other things. 

Please just say what you think as its something I'd like to do but it's going to bugger up a lot of work if I get it wrong.

Regards

Jim

The puddles are certainly a novelty. I think the puddles on the first picture looks very convincing. But it looks like the platform has been hosed down, not like it is wet after the rain. The other pictures look more like puddles from rain, but those pictures are harder to judge since there are no other scale objects visible.

I am not sure they are worth the trouble. For instance, you will have to dust them off every time you want to take a picture. Dust on water must be one of the ultimate spoilers in scale model photography.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on May 31, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
That's a very good point Hauk.  I too have found dusty water a real spoiler not only in photos but also at exhibitions.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: artizen on May 31, 2013, 03:00:52 PM
I would leave the puddles off unless you can think of a way of covering them 99% of the time to keep them spotless. Might be in the too-hard category though.

Good to see you posting again on here again. Sounds like you are appreciated more on this forum than that other one!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on May 31, 2013, 10:58:14 PM
The puddles in the first pic look pretty good to me. The puddles with discoloration might be an improvement but it's hard to tell since the angle of the photo and lighting is different.

Sadly, I must agree with the others that dust will likely be a problem. Too bad because the effect you're trying to achieve is something that I would like to see modeled. Maybe it would be better suited for a diorama in a sealed case?



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 01, 2013, 01:51:23 AM
Thanks for the comments guys.  If I mention that the layout will only do a maximum of 2 shows a year and will spent the other 360 days stored in it travel packs (vertically) do we still think dust will be a problem?  Bear in mind that before a show it will probably spent a couple of hours being bounced arround in the back of a large van too. 

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: 1-32 on June 02, 2013, 01:54:06 AM
hi
really nice craftmanship but i have to confess to liking the heratage style of english boxes.the new signal box must have combined many old  mechanical and electric relay boxes into one location. it is very much a style of the new british railways after the government  took over the big 4 private railway companies.
kind regards kim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 02, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
Hi Kim

New streets history is a bit odd.  Originally built in the mid 1800s it was actually 2 stations side by side (built by different companies) and separated by a road (queens drive) that ran down the middle.  When the railways were nationalised the station remained the same with 4 signal boxes on site.  The rebuild was in the 1960s where all of the signal boxes were replaced with this one, on the site of the west end turntable.  The currect signal box took over signalling for several miles in each direction.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: marc_reusser on June 02, 2013, 03:38:37 AM
Jim,

I echo everyone's sentiments, its great to see you back, and progressing on this build.

Nice work on the signal box. How did you construct it?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 03, 2013, 02:34:34 AM
Thanks Marc

I have to admit I have become somewhat disillusioned with forums over the last year.  Most have become all about opening RTR boxes and how much money people are spending with absolutely no constructive feedback at all (although some don't really have any actual modelling to give feedback about).  Obviously that certainly doesn't apply here and while I haven't posted much I have been checking in regularily to see what every one is up to.  Suffice to say I tend to get more out of one visit here than a month of the other forums I am on put together.  Ok some comments are a bit blunt but we don't need to sugar cote stuff do we?  That is the big difference as with other places you have to be so careful about making sure someone doesn't read something wrongly that it's hardly worth bothering.  As Russ so rightly said the other day, if people are nit picking we can all take a great deal of encouragement from the fact that they don't see major problems.

Anyway, to your question.  The signal box is nothing cleverer than a big Perspex box with windows built up from microstrip.  Originally I made a master for the cladding and copied it in resin. I got quite far with it actually

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/signal-box%20old.jpg)

But I had to admit to myself that the cladding was crap and there was nothing for it than rip it all off and do it again. This time with evergreen section.  A sort of backwards compliment I got for the finished model was when a guy from network rail accused me of trespassing to get a picture, he didn't realise he was looking at the model!

There is still more to do on the interior.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: michael mott on June 03, 2013, 07:36:50 AM
Hi Jim, looking at your signal box brought back a lot of memories of sweating over the external cladding of a number of odd looking buildings that I fabricated for Architect clients when I worked commercially. I don't think I could work on a plex box architectural model again if you paid me.  Your comment about being accused of trespassing made me smile, because in one of pictures I did a double take because I thought you were showing the prototype, it was the "dinky toys " that gave it away :)

Michael 


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 04, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
I had to look up signal box-now I get it. I like it, and remember seeing the plastic box type construction used. I always thought it was a good way to keep the windows even.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 04, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
Thanks chaps

I have been busy doing reppetative tasks for details under the roof, the main ones being these pillars

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/platform-monitors.jpg)

I drew the pattern in illustrator and my friend laser cut them onto paper for me.  I'm about half way through the 80 or so I need.  Not all have monitors though, I only needed to do 40 of them! The ones without brackets will go on the none public side.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/station-overview-march2013.jpg). This is how they look in situe so far.

I have also built 8 of these timetable boards, the time tables being edited from a photo I found of one from the correct period.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/timetables-b-end.jpg)

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: artizen on June 04, 2013, 04:13:07 PM
From memory this monster is about 63 feet long. What percentage of that length will be hidden under the building spanning the platforms and did you ever resolve the problem of the punters being able to see what's going on under there at shows? With all this added detail it would be a shame to never see it properly when on public display.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on June 04, 2013, 11:13:39 PM
Amazing! It's really unusual to see somebody modeling a large, modern RR setting like this, and in such detail.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: voyager on June 05, 2013, 01:16:03 AM
Glad to see updates on this Jim - excellent modelling plus I have a vested interest as I have just transferred to New Street driving for Cross Country! In fact I am in the lamp block typing this - as you know it has changed somewhat from the old brick building....

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/Milnerpics/E3CBD204-648D-4ED9-B47A-EDDA05307B9B-4764-0000070EEBF40183_zps9fc2ea51.jpg)

and the signal box this morning

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/Milnerpics/80432906-6FE7-4CAB-B9FF-C36D49B0FEB7-4764-0000070EF5640691_zps78bfe053.jpg)

Keep the updates coming!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hydrostat on June 05, 2013, 01:30:48 AM
I second what Ray said. I hadn't seen this thread before: It is a pleasure to see your photos and progress. Just a philosophical question: Does it feel for you to be "modern", as Ray mentioned? Your prototype is situated some 30 years ago ... I'm sometimes a prisoner of my own perception: I felt it was "modern", too. As my H0 scale modelling started in the 1980ies the pendant would have been (and have been till today) the 50ies/60ies. Time flies and generations change.

And to stop delivering a sermon and get back to modeling: Your approach to the weather situation is as interesting as difficult to do. By chance I found an effect of drying cobblestone which you can see here if interested: http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/viewtopic.php?p=289587#289587 (http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/viewtopic.php?p=289587#289587) This is 1:22.5 scale so you can't compare it too well. But I think it would be a possibility to show those moist patches, but waive the wet/shiny spots for the dust problem.

Volker


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on June 05, 2013, 01:47:09 AM
You seem to be dealing comfortably with an overwhelming project. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 05, 2013, 07:34:03 AM
Hi Volker

I see modern as current, ie something that if I need info I can go and look at. The station is changing drastically at the moment but even before then most of the details were different from say 1987 to 2007. In reality the station appears to have changed less from 1967 to 1987 so you could say I am modelling something designed 60 years ago. Everything needs checking wether it be 30 years ago or 300 (road markings were different then for example) so in that respect it is historic, although perhaps the info from recent history is easier to find?  The lower floor of the old stables was 150 years old.  Is the new building still used for route learning etc?

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 05, 2013, 07:39:39 AM
From memory this monster is about 63 feet long. What percentage of that length will be hidden under the building spanning the platforms and did you ever resolve the problem of the punters being able to see what's going on under there at shows? With all this added detail it would be a shame to never see it properly when on public display.

The overall layout will be 72 feet long. The station is 22 of which the shopping center is 9ft long. (end elevation drawing below)

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/palisades%20drawing.jpg)

I will leave the front wall off at platform level so that viewers can imagine they are standing on the platform.  The view they will get will be roughly this

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/class-100-in-the-gloom-2.jpg)
Although with lighting

Cheers

Jim




Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on June 05, 2013, 07:46:17 AM
I love this project.
Besides beeing a very cool model, it is also a historic documentation that will onley increase in value as years go by. This is the sort of project that really ought to end up in a museum.

Do you have any exhibitions booked, by the way?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 05, 2013, 09:37:28 AM
Thanks Hauk

Not yet, I reckon I'm another 20 years or so away from finishing yet.  However I have quite a few shows that have said they want to when it's ready.

Slightly related (for those in the uk) we will be taking Calcutta sidings 2 to expo em in September.  To explain why this is related, 3 friends and myself have shared the effort on woodwork and building a shared fiddleyard that will be used on Calcutta, Tring and New Street.  Calcutta is the shortest layout (being 20 feet shorter than tring and new street will be) but if anyone does come to he show they will get to see the interesting bits of the fiddleyard in action.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: marc_reusser on June 05, 2013, 03:50:27 PM
Thanks for the info Jim. Never even thought of that approach for this,...which like for Michael, is funny, for I too remember having to build plexi box archtectural models (always disliked it..preferred wood massing models  :) )..then lightly scribing the edges of all the window mullions and frames, so you could use a ruling pen to flow the paint in between. Gaak.  :)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on June 06, 2013, 02:01:23 AM
Marc, you wrote "gaak" in another thread. Why not "boink" or "aargh" or "spodeblutner" (with an umlaut over the u)? -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on June 15, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
Thanks for the info Jim. Never even thought of that approach for this,...which like for Michael, is funny, for I too remember having to build plexi box archtectural models (always disliked it..preferred wood massing models  :) )..then lightly scribing the edges of all the window mullions and frames, so you could use a ruling pen to flow the paint in between. Gaak.  :)

I only use it for buildings that have a lot of glass.  It's also for strength though as being loaded into a van, driven around a bit and then set up at a show (buy a team of people) it can't be too fragile.  Ultimately (if I whisper it quietly here) it sometimes comes down to what's easiest over what might be the best approach. (I appreciate that's sacralige though)

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on July 17, 2013, 06:43:25 AM
Hi all

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/hood-portrait.jpg)

The above example is Hood’s crest, from Extreme Etches! which is a 3 part etch for something only 3.5mm high!  (I think i need to buy a magnifying glass if im honest)

The loco itself is a Hornby one which has been lowered on its bogies, had the wheels, side grills, roof grill and windscreens replaced.  It's what would be termed as 'immaculate condition' as the model is my own little tribute to the loss off all but 3 lives when the Royal Navy's flagship HMS Hood was sunk by the Bismark during World War II.

All of the class 50s were named after Royal Navy ships or land bases.

To read more about HMS Hood see http://www.hmshood.com/

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on July 17, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
The crest and entire locomotive appear quite satisfactory. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Hauk on July 17, 2013, 02:33:09 PM
Always nice to see an update on your excellent project!




Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 17, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
Well done!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: nk on July 23, 2013, 05:03:27 AM
This is an impressive project. I moved to the UK in the late 80s and you have the bleakness of those Thatcher years catured perfectly in all the little details. Its great watching this build grow. Keep posting.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: jim s-w on July 27, 2013, 03:49:21 AM
Hi all

I got hold of a cheap BG body (mail coach) and decided to open the doors up for a little diorama under the roof.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/mail-at-BNS-april-2013.jpg)

Below is a close up of the little Reliance Mercury platform tug, knocked up from plasticard and a spare bit of etch.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/tug%20final.jpg)

And finally during construction and sat on a 2pence piece for scale.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/tug%20colour.jpg)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: marc_reusser on July 27, 2013, 03:55:23 AM
Great pics Jim.
Darn neat piece of work on that tug.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's
Post by: finescalerr on July 27, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
To build something that small so well you either have outstanding coordination or you're one foot tall. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 08, 2013, 02:28:29 AM
I'm not even a foot tall when lying down Russ!  Need to lay off the snacks a bit!    ;D ::)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on August 18, 2013, 02:17:44 PM
Wow, that little tug is impressive!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 28, 2013, 08:15:32 AM
Hi All

Been fiddling about with bad lighting again - quite pleased with this one (would love to say it was by design but its more luck than anything)

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/25059-at-BNS-aug2013b.jpg)

Couple of little LED torches and some 'bad' processing in curves plus a high ISO for noise.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on September 24, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
Hi All

A few more class 86 roll of the workbench, i need quite a lot of these for the layout (up to 5 so far including these 2)

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ic-86s.jpg)

86102 features Hornby class 90 sideframes on the now customary Bachmann warship chassis along with a spare underframe box from a scrap class 87

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/86102atBNSsept2013800.jpg)

To read about why i chose to model 86260 Driver Wallace Oakes GC click the link below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Oakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Oakes)

To see more of this pair go to my class 86 page - http://www.p4newstreet.com/class86 (http://www.p4newstreet.com/class86)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 01, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
Hi all

Planning is good as it saves on materials but every now and then its a good idea to check against what you are
doing (if only to get a different feel for it).  That’s what this picture is all about.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/shopping-center-mark-up.jpg)

The string mock up shows the raft above the Eastern end of the station. The main string that crosses the
baseboard is the edge of the shopping centre roof while the one that heads towards the bottom right corner
shows the station approach. (the clutter on the track is the result of a few tweaks to the platform edges for
clearance purposes.

Visit http://www.p4newstreet.com/category/workbench for more

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 17, 2013, 03:58:46 AM
Hi All

Ive started work on the platform canopies and lighting, its starting to get suitably moody I think!

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BNS-lights.jpg)

See my workbench for more details - http://www.p4newstreet.com/category/workbench

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: artizen on October 17, 2013, 04:43:54 AM
Nicely captured feeling of the dank, dark and almost dangerous stations that they still insist on putting under major buildings!!!! It must have been terrible for ventilation during the steam and later the diesel years.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 17, 2013, 05:13:33 AM
There was quite a sophisticated extraction system for diesel fumes.  The station was rebuilt from the steam era and steam was banned.  This ban has been relaxed recently but I believe that steam locos are still not allowed under the roof and any specials need to be dragged in backwards.

I remember when I was a kid a class 47 managed to set fire to the extraction system.  The station was closed for a few days and caused nationwide chaos.

After the kings cross disaster new street was declared an underground station and smoking was banned.  The also added a footbridge at the Wolverhampton end as there was technically only one exit.  Even now (although it's being rebuilt again) there's still only one exit from platform 1



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on October 17, 2013, 05:22:59 AM
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BNS-lights.jpg)

I just love your project, Jim.  The image above is a piece of art. It remained me a lot of this installation by Elmgren and Dragseth:

(http://stylelaundry.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/elmgreen-metro-people.jpg)
 



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: 5thwheel on October 17, 2013, 02:06:12 PM
I have been watching this with interest.  Very nice setting of a mood.  I have been away from model railroading since N gauge.  How does 1:76 compare in size and is there a name for this gauge? 

Bill


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: chester on October 17, 2013, 03:56:05 PM
Isn't 1/72 to 1/76 generally accepted as OO gauge scaling?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 17, 2013, 04:13:03 PM
That's right.  OO gauge is a curious mix of 4mm to 1ft scale models but on HO scale track (16.5mm gauge). P4 uses the same scale but on accurate 18.83mm gauge track meaning you have to replace the wheels for scale ones and hand build all of the track.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 17, 2013, 06:09:24 PM
The platform and lighting look terrific, very authentic!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on October 17, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
I like your photography as well as the modeling.

One thing I have never understood about the model railroad hobby: So many people seem to consider accuracy relatively unimportant, especially with respect to a model's gauge. O scale trains run on 5 scale foot gauge track, OO runs on HO track (to narrow), the idiots in 1:29 scale run on Gauge One track (too narrow), 1:24 scale narrow gauge runs on 45mm (+/- 1.75 inch) rather than 1.5 inch gauge track ... the list goes on.

What if we forced the guys -- particularly manufacturers -- who think gauge is unimportant to wear underwear or shoes a couple of sizes too small? Would that help them to understand the importance of gauge?

Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on October 18, 2013, 02:28:13 AM
One thing I have never understood about the model railroad hobby: So many people seem to consider accuracy relatively unimportant, especially with respect to a model's gauge. O scale trains run on 5 scale foot gauge track, OO runs on HO track (to narrow), the idiots in 1:29 scale run on Gauge One track (too narrow), 1:24 scale narrow gauge runs on 45mm (+/- 1.75 inch) rather than 1.5 inch gauge track ... the list goes on.

Russ

Russ, I really had to hold my tongue when I read the 2012 modellers annual. Those incredible Virginia & Truckee passenger cars where just perfect except for one thing. The trucks and wheels were built to regular O scale standards. I felt it was a crying shame not to use P48 standards for a project like that. It seems I was not alone...


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 18, 2013, 03:50:06 AM
One thing I have never understood about the model railroad hobby: So many people seem to consider accuracy relatively unimportant, especially with respect to a model's gauge. O scale trains run on 5 scale foot gauge track, OO runs on HO track (to narrow), the idiots in 1:29 scale run on Gauge One track (too narrow), 1:24 scale narrow gauge runs on 45mm (+/- 1.75 inch) rather than 1.5 inch gauge track ... the list goes on.

Thanks Russ

Certainly when modelling diesels and electrics conversion from 00 to P4 can be as simple as swapping the wheels for scale ones.  Ok you can use compensated or sprung suspension as the running will be better but it's not essential.  Steam locos are more difficult but as the wheels and motion are more visible the benefits are much greater with the scale wheels being obvious.  There is a third gauge in the UK called EM which uses 18.2mm gauge but closer to 00 standards for wheels.  Indeed you can just space the finer RTR wheels out which to me doesn't offer any visual improvement at all.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/weathered%20track%203.jpg)

I find building track hugely enjoyable and would never contemplate doing it any other way.  Even if p4 were available off the shelf you cant beat the flow you get building track in situe.  If you need a doule slip curved a bit just build it that way, it's no more difficult!

The thing is from a track point of view handbuilt 00, EM and P4 are all the same effort, it's just that the first 2 are still wrong.  In fact sometimes p4 is easier as using scale tollerances you can just copy what's there, with some complex formations it's hard to get all the checkrails in even when working to scale!  Ultimately it can be quite hard to tell the difference in gauge on plain track as judging a gap is kind of vague.  However the big difference between P4 ang he others is the checkrail tollerances.  You can see in the picture above that the gap between checkrails and the running rails is less than the width if the rail head.  In 00 and EM. The gap is greater and this is very obvious if you know what you are looking at.  For this reason, despite the gauge difference, I sometimes struggle to tell the difference between well modelled 00 track and EM.

Jim

Ps, appologies if US track terminology is different.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hydrostat on October 18, 2013, 04:07:52 AM
Jim,

I appreciate everything you said about building your own track. Especially in GB there seems to have been a special kind of niftily swinging, somewhat individual forming of switches' and tracks' geometry which forces you to forget custom made trackage at all. Not to forget what you mentioned about the gaps. I really enjoy looking at your switches and tracks (fantastic - as all of your modeling).

Volker


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 22, 2013, 08:10:00 AM
Thank you Volker

Hi all

Ever wondered where the ramps towards the western end of New Streets platforms go?

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/brute-train.jpg)

The story of what's under the city might be of interest

http://www.p4newstreet.com/category/workbench

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 22, 2013, 11:26:28 AM
Very interesting. I also liked the information about finishing photos.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on November 15, 2013, 12:45:47 PM
One of the most common questions I get asked when I tell people I am going to model the shopping centre is 'What will we actually see?'  So far I have had to try to describe that the intention is to leave off the rear wall of Platform 12 to give the viewer the impression that they are standing on the platform.  With work complete on all of the canopies for board three I can now just show you what you will see if you ever come to see New Street at a show somewhere.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/under-the-roof-5.jpg)
This is the view from just under the roof at the Wolverhampton end, looking into the station.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/under-the-roof-2.jpg)
The view from the middle of the platforms looking towards the Wolverhampton end

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/under-the-roof-1.jpg)

A few signs of life!

Hopefully these views demonstrate why I felt I have to have the roof on as it just wouldn't be New Street without it.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on November 15, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
That really makes a statement. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: BKLN on November 15, 2013, 02:55:16 PM
Very nice!
You are setting the bar higher and higher for the smaller scales.

Christian


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Malachi Constant on November 15, 2013, 05:12:43 PM
Wow, indeed and "ditto" what they said!  I seem to remember some brightly colored molded plastic chairs (oversized, 1970's style) in one of the BR stations somewhere ... but it may have been the wrong station.  Great stuff!  Definitely gives the underground feel.  -- Dallas


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: kathymillatt on November 15, 2013, 05:21:50 PM
Hi Jim

What an amazing model!  The signal box looks just like the real thing. I worked a couple of years's ago in an office overlooking it.

My main thoughts of New Street is how dark it is (thankfully I'm a Moor Street girl at the moment but have mostly done Snow Hill or International).  You have really captured the dank grim atmosphere.

Are you going to model the ramp off New Street and the front entrance to Smallbrook Queensway?  What about people which are always a mare in the smaller sizes?

I hope to see it some day in person. Do let us know when it's getting its next public outing.

Kathy


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on November 15, 2013, 09:07:11 PM
That looks so great. Really captures the dark, gritty, utilitarian feel of an underground station.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on November 19, 2013, 04:27:51 AM
Wow, indeed and "ditto" what they said!  I seem to remember some brightly colored molded plastic chairs (oversized, 1970's style) in one of the BR stations somewhere ... but it may have been the wrong station.  Great stuff!  Definitely gives the underground feel.  -- Dallas

Thanks all.

The bright (orange) moulded chairs were common across the BR network.  I'm sure New street had them on the upper level.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on November 19, 2013, 04:35:53 AM
Hi Jim

My main thoughts of New Street is how dark it is (thankfully I'm a Moor Street girl at the moment but have mostly done Snow Hill or International).  You have really captured the dank grim atmosphere.

Are you going to model the ramp off New Street and the front entrance to Smallbrook Queensway?  What about people which are always a mare in the smaller sizes?

I hope to see it some day in person. Do let us know when it's getting its next public outing.

Kathy

Thanks Kathy

I'm also involved with a model of Moor Street too which is currently on the exhibition circuit.  We have actually done 2 shows for Chiltern at the actual station (which is a bit surreal).  I am going to do the front entrance yes but as for people I'm going to try for the aliens effect.  By that I mean James Cameron never showed the normal alien in his film and relied on the numbers of them to mask thier individual appearance.  I'm hoping that viewers wont see the individual people, just the crowds.

No shows for a few decades yet but if. Nothing changes I'll let you know

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on November 22, 2013, 06:57:16 AM
Another picture.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/hst-atBNSnov2013b.jpg)

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on November 22, 2013, 07:08:21 AM
Great image as usual!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on November 22, 2013, 03:01:19 PM
Most satisfactory. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: kathymillatt on November 22, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
Just like the real thing!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: voyager on November 28, 2013, 12:50:59 PM
If that loco had lights on, it would be so close to be eerie in that scale - great stuff!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on December 02, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Hi

I don't normally go for lights as they were so dim in the 1980s that couldn't tell if they were on or not (often it was the latter). However I do have a few locos hat have them so...

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/class%2085%20at%20BNS%20nov2013.jpg)

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: voyager on December 02, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
Perfect!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: BKLN on December 02, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
Good stuff!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: chester on December 02, 2013, 07:39:28 PM
Great shots!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 03, 2014, 02:33:03 AM
Hi All

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/HSTs-at-BNSjan2014.jpg)

I do promise that I will get bored with taking pictures under the roof at some point but a few more that I am quite pleased with.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/45115atBNSjan2014.jpg)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on January 03, 2014, 02:38:46 AM
Those turned out very well. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: BKLN on January 03, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
Jim,
the lack of miniature people makes this so much more amazing! Nothing destroys the illusion more than Preiser folks.

Christian


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on January 04, 2014, 03:00:42 AM
Funny you mentioned that. Last night, when I first saw the images, I was going to ask whether the photographer shot them at a very late hour when nobody was around. But I didn't write that because I thought somebody might think I actually wanted to see figures. Actually, quite the opposite. To my eye, most figures destroy an otherwise excellent scene and even the best can detract from one. The scene looks very convincing just as it is .... -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on January 04, 2014, 05:10:35 AM
Jim, fascinating work and great pics, about the only thing I can think that it might need is some litter between the track and the platform sides?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 07, 2014, 08:33:37 AM
Thanks guys

I must admi people are worrying me as I need lots of them.  I will do some experimenting and ask for feedback before going ahead with them.  I'm hoping that a crowd of figures will draw people's attention from their general look.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on January 07, 2014, 02:17:01 PM
No! Figures will destroy an otherwise convincing scene! They will look like frozen crude plastic painted objects rather than people. Besides, more than half the time the area would look exactly as it does now.

Suggestion: Leave the model as it is. If you want to add people, do it in a photo by pasting images of actual people into the scene (assuming you can find something appropriate and consistent with the lighting you have installed.

Russ



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: BKLN on January 07, 2014, 03:36:23 PM
Very often Preiser people will break the fine line from museum quality layout to train toy.

If you insist on people, I would try to only use "naturally frozen" postures, such as people sitting on a bench or leaning on a wall. Nothing is worse than the guy running after the train with his coat blowing in the wind.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 07, 2014, 04:55:38 PM
Much as I'd like to agree with you Russ I'm afraid I can't.  You see New Street handles about 15,000 people per day and up to 80 arrivals or departures per hour.  With each platform handling sometimes 2 trains at a time it's actually much, much closer to say that the platforms are never empty.

I certainly won't be using any action poses though.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: BKLN on January 08, 2014, 08:33:21 AM
I see your point, Jim.
The solution might be to use the most static / waiting poses possible. And to tone down the colors. Preiser people tend to be a little too colorful, but they might be less distracting if painted in muted colors.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: SandiaPaul on January 08, 2014, 09:18:06 PM
I know I have spent some time virtually totally alone during off hours in what during the day are very busy NYC subway stations. (including getting a gun pulled on me when I was the only one on the platform at Canal St) So deserted is fine with me.

I agree with Russ and the others..figures usually wreck it for me. With that said I saw a picture of a model of a station platform with a huge number of Preiser figures, and it looked quite convincing. I looked for it online but can't find it...

Paul


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 09, 2014, 05:46:29 AM
Hi All

Added some thoughts on people to my workbench

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/people-1ds.jpg)

I'm thinking that unlike the high contrast style that military modellers use a low contrast, low saturation approach is better for 4mm scale.  The above image is a mock up of our of the packet figures with the saturation of the picture halved.  For more and to compare the original picture go to http://www.p4newstreet.com/thoughts-on-the-little-people-part-2.html#comments (http://www.p4newstreet.com/thoughts-on-the-little-people-part-2.html#comments)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on January 09, 2014, 06:38:19 AM
It's an interesting experiment Jim. I am no artist .....if Andi is around he would be able to sort this out, but IMHO it works but you maybe should consider the season/weather. I would be tempted to go for winter/wet so that you could keep to a palette of subdued blacks/dark blues, dark browns & dark greens. If you place your figure over the lady in yellow the scene, to my eyes, looks a lot better ..... Bright clothing in Britain/rush hour/ winter is very much the exception.

As usual some good refs pics will be a great help , this was the first one that came up on my search

(Appreciate this is not taken in UK)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jacq01 on January 09, 2014, 07:45:29 AM

  The figures settings used should tell all sorts of stories.

  I used on my large rural layout "Dreimühlentalbahn" only 2 figures in the station. The station chef and a traveller talking with each other.
  It is up to the observer to decide or the latter has just arrived or is waiting for his train.
  On the complete 48'0" layout the total of 12 figures have been used.

   Jacq


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: lab-dad on January 09, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
IMO;
Even removing the color the unrealistic shine gives it away.
The figures need to be dead flat to work in scale.
Reducing the image size helps a little (making the people similar in size to the reference photo.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on January 09, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
I ain't changing my opinion. It looks more crowded with figures. It looked more credible before. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: SandiaPaul on January 09, 2014, 03:23:53 PM
I think the OOF ones on the rear platform look OK, even good. The foreground ones...not so much....

Paul


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Peter_T1958 on January 09, 2014, 03:31:17 PM
Hi there

First I want to say that I am very, very impressed about the high quality of the entire layout. Such high standard I know at least from some dioramas but not from an entire layout!
Although having difficulties in expressing myself in English I will try to to share my thoughts, as the whole discussion is very interesting.

I rather tend towards Russ' thoughts: Figures will destroy an otherwise convincing scene! For me the emptiness of that nightly station had expressive power. Jean-Bernard Andrés (JBA-Diorama) once wrote: "Tuez pour l'ambiance". If nothing shines from your diorama, you miss your point.

Here another picture from the web:

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff181/Peter_T1958/Westlake%20Publishing%20Forum/bahnsteig3_zps4880de01.jpg~original) (http://s240.photobucket.com/user/Peter_T1958/media/Westlake%20Publishing%20Forum/bahnsteig3_zps4880de01.jpg.html)

Althoug there are some bright spots on that picture, the overall impression is a very dull one or as Gordon wrote: a palette of subdued blacks/dark blues, dark browns & dark greens. That would help to unify the whole scene.
But if there should be people there, then I assume that a crowded platform with a huge number of dull painted figures would be more effective then an assortment of people... That's why the ones on the rear platform look much better.




Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 18, 2014, 06:33:48 AM
Thanks for the thoughts all.  I agree about the dullness but these figures are as brought and haven't had anything done to them yet.

I do see what Russ is saying and I like the late night feel too but the problem is the layout is set in the day (making a shroud for something over 70 feet long to make it a night scene isn't an option I'm afraid) so its going to need people.

One of the problems of modelling a real (and well known) location is that sometimes you have to do thinks you might not want too.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 28, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Hi all

Finally made a physical start on my model of th shopping centre. The ramps at the Wolves end were drawn up as a set of parts in Illustrator and cut out on my friend, Tim's laser cutter.  The first of the 2 beams has now been basically assembled and mocked up for a picture.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/palisades-1.jpg)

At the moment the top beam is loosely held on with blue-tac but you get the idea. The Laser cutter has turned what would be a bit of a mission into something that's been quite a nice project so far and at least assembly wise, pretty easy.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 17, 2014, 04:52:11 AM
Hi all

Sometimes I just get an urge to do something new or something that I haven't done in a while.  This week I had a bit of a hankering to do something with brass,  not like bunging a few CCU's together but something more creative, something from scratch.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/ole-on-end-of-12.jpg)
My intended victim, an isolation mast from the Eastern end of platform 12.  I suppose I could have built a standard (ish) mast but ive done those before and fancied something a bit different, something that's a bit of a crowd pleaser I suppose.   So a drawing was made, some section picked up from my local model shop and the soldering iron and mini drill fired up for a couple of sessions at my workbench.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/OLE-isolating-mast.jpg)
Heres the result of my labours.  It went together surprisingly well and despite the use of Colin Craig's insulators and my own etch for the registration arm it's all good old-fashioned fabrication work.  I have to admit im pretty pleased with how it turned out.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/OLE-isolating-handles.jpg)
Close up of the handles and brackets for the isolation gear.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/OLE-isolating-mast-top.jpg)
A typical 'platform enders' view of the interesting bit!

Question is now, is the urge satisfied or have I just made it worse?

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: lab-dad on April 17, 2014, 07:29:12 AM
excellent build!
-Mj


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on April 17, 2014, 08:25:26 AM
Just beautiful and definitely makes you want more of it.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 17, 2014, 12:26:44 PM
You are right to feel pleased with it, it's a beautiful piece of work!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on April 17, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
That is really horrible. Remind me to contact you next time I need somebody to build something for me in brass. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 17, 2014, 03:17:41 PM
Makes me want to play with some brass  :)

Great bit of building , could easily stand as model on its own right  ....... That appears to be the secret of your project 100's of high class individual builds


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Chuck Doan on April 17, 2014, 08:51:46 PM
Beautiful construction!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hydrostat on April 18, 2014, 05:42:37 AM
Jim - Wow!

Looks very good to me. I especially like the very fine wires used for the cabling. Did you use a jig for mounting the parts? Are those isolators white metal castings? Which wall thickness do they have?

The whole assembly is somewhat tiny compared with my scale 1:22.5, but the closeup of the switch mechanism really blows me away. I'm really looking forward to seeing this painted.

Cheers,
Volker


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 25, 2014, 04:32:44 AM
Thanks all

I didn't use any jigs for this one, just worked on top of a drawing.  The insulators are pewter and made by my friend.  The minimum wall thickness is aprox 0.2-0.3mm the tube they are mounted on is 0.6 mm to give an idea of scale.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 26, 2014, 03:34:37 AM
Hi all

I've painted up my mast and changed the mounting for the contact wire, here's how it looks in temporary position.

(http://jsmithwright.demonweb.co.uk/hostedimages/platform-12a-OLE-mast.jpg)

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: artizen on July 26, 2014, 06:05:40 AM
Stunning.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on July 26, 2014, 09:34:12 AM
Superb, love this sort of detail


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on July 26, 2014, 12:11:07 PM
I wonder how many model train guys would have the slightest clue what research and craftsmanship has gone into your layout or, for that matter, why you've approached it that way. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: eTraxx on July 26, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
I wonder how many model train guys would have the slightest clue what research and craftsmanship has gone into your layout or, for that matter, why you've approached it that way. -- Russ
I count me among that number. Just wish I had his skills. :)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: fspg2 on July 26, 2014, 02:23:44 PM
Jim,
Is it a prototype or a model - simply fantastic !!!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 26, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
I wonder how many model train guys would have the slightest clue what research and craftsmanship has gone into your layout or, for that matter, why you've approached it that way. -- Russ

There's some I think Russ. Most are just interested in the latest RTR stuff and think that spending a lot of money elevates them above others.  However I try to treat everything the same so that there's no stand out weak point, in that respect I'm aiming for most of this stuff to go unnoticed just as it does in the real world.  You could take any element and find someone who does it better but consistency is the key I think.  It's a bit like one of Chucks projects having a doe cast car dumped in front of it straight from the box.  Ok that's an extreme example but there's a lot of model railways in the uk that have that kind of inconsistency.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 26, 2014, 03:34:05 PM
I count me among that number. Just wish I had his skills. :)

Thanks but it's not really talent just a desire to learn how to do stuff.  I don't think there's anything here that is beyond anyone else, all they have to do is practice.  I started this project with an idea what I wanted to end up with not an idea of what I could achieve from my start point.  I always knew I'd have to learn new stuff.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: artizen on July 26, 2014, 05:24:28 PM
You ended up with a model over 60 feet long with detail, detail, detail everywhere accurate to the time being modelled. Don't worry, we may not be able to do this because of space constraints or lack of time or skills but I for one appreciate that this model is an accurate depiction of something historical that will never be seen again. As the layout evolves, so does the greater appreciation by the viewing public just how good it is. This is on a level with Pendon for research and detail - only the subject matter changes.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 27, 2014, 11:50:27 AM
Marvelous work, as always!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 26, 2014, 01:38:14 AM
Hi all

I've designed my first laser cut baseboards for a little side project (now called Brettell Road after a few name 'tweaks') and the other week I spent a few days over at Tims getting them cut out and assembled.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140820-222217.jpg)

I've started a workbench section for this on my website for those who might want to follow along.

http://www.p4newstreet.com/category/brettell-road

I'll be using this as practice for some things that I will be using on New Street.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on August 26, 2014, 03:02:23 AM
Hi all

I've designed my first laser cut baseboards for a little side project (now called Brettell Road after a few name 'tweaks') and the other week I spent a few days over at Tims getting them cut out and assembled.

Looks like a serious testing ground!
Does it connect with the main layout?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on August 26, 2014, 05:53:59 AM
hello, very interesting and I'm looking forward to the sequel. I would still be interested in the material from which the layout is.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on August 26, 2014, 07:12:42 AM
Hi all

I've painted up my mast and changed the mounting for the contact wire, here's how it looks in temporary position.


You never fail to inspire!
Keep up the good work!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on August 26, 2014, 01:04:17 PM
Laser cut no less! Inspiring. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Chuck Doan on August 26, 2014, 02:21:08 PM
That's a big kit! Nice.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 26, 2014, 03:09:22 PM
Thanks all

This is a side project and not related to New Street.  These boards are cut from MDF (Masonite over there?) but I have cut parts for more new street boards from ply too.  Haven't assembled those yet though.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 29, 2014, 02:13:41 PM
Hi all

I've changed the name again after a few people mentioned they thought grove was a bit out of area.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140829-201810.jpg)

I must admit I'm a bit out of practise with this track building stuff and this took a bit longer than I thought.  Above is an overview of the trackwork so far with just some plain track still to do.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140829-2021021.jpg)

First up is a double slip that isn't!  It's actually just a normal turnout from an operational point of view with one end blocked and clamped so it doesn't move.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140829-202258.jpg)

At the other end I've removed two of the point blades to depict that the line it leads too is out of use.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140829-203224.jpg)

On the other board is a 3 way point.  I've always found these more tricky than double slips although they are less work.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/20140829-203446.jpg)

It's the way the 3 vees have to interact that makes them tricky. I also messed up the first set of blades and got one in the wrong place so I had to do it again. It was only once I'd done it that I remembered I might have done exactly the same thing last time I did a 3 way!

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on August 30, 2014, 01:43:33 PM
Love those fancy switches.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 10, 2014, 06:02:01 AM
HI All

Made a start on laser cut walls for Brettell Road.  While these bits won't be used on New Street, the things I learn from these will be transferred over.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/20141010-120530.jpg)

For more and a few thoughts on the subject see

http://www.p4newstreet.com/newish-technology-or-modelling-witchcraft.html

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on October 10, 2014, 07:49:27 AM

For more and a few thoughts on the subject see

http://www.p4newstreet.com/newish-technology-or-modelling-witchcraft.html

Cheers

Jim

Interesting thoughts!
My motto for modelling is "By any means neccesary!"

If 3D printing, Photo-Etching, Lasercutting or even outsourcing certain jobs will help me reach my goals I make no excuses.

I do not think of my Westinghouse engines as scratchbuilt. I call them Kit-built. But I take a certain pride in the fact that I designed that kit and built it. It would have been cheating to claim that the models are entirely scratchbuilt.  A lot of credit goes to the subcontractors (too many to mention here) and I hope I have made this clear enough in all of my writings about the models.

I have never understood that people want to make modelling harder than neccesary. I respect that modellers find pride and joy in building their models using only simple handtools. And sometimes using simple techniques and tools will give the models more character and personality.
And lets not forget that not everyone can afford fancy tools, photoetching, lasercutting and what not.

Laser cutting can somtimes result in buildings that are a bit stiff. But as you have shown, distressing and painting can fix this.

Scribing all that brickwork on "New Street" by hand? Even Roye England would have thrown in the towel...



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on October 10, 2014, 01:27:41 PM
First, a question about the portal's coloration: Does the three-quarter view of the finished portal accurately represent the appearance? I ask because the mortar looks too bright and the bricks in general too contrasty in that photo. In another photo on your linked page the colors look far more real and I suspect that image is the more accurate. I would guess the reason for the appearance in the first photo is light reflection fooling the camera sensor.

Second, a comment about Havard's attitude: I AGREE! Yet some people think using technology is somehow cheating and a few even frown on the use of power tools. The only place where I might vary from your statement, Havard, is that any kit you might devise still started out as nothing until you created it, regardless of what process you used. In my mind, that qualifies as scratchbuilt. If you have the ability to conceive of an idea, use any technology (no matter how crude or sophisticated) to achieve it, assemble and color it, and the result is a convincing model, then you are a scratchbuilder.

Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 11, 2014, 06:12:56 AM
Hi both

The image is a bit punchy Russ.  I might tone down the wall anyway just to err on the safe side.

Some people like to put their models into pigeon holes.  This is scratchbuilt, this is kit built etc etc but I'm not really bothered by that sort of thing.  A good model is a good model at the end of the day. I know that's a simplistic view but it's best to just get on with it than worry about stuff like that.

One thing I am wary of using patterns for laser cut artwork is that it's too precise.  I'm very concious of the model having a moire effect when you start to see patterns from a distance.  Look at a real brick wall, even a very modern one and the courses aren't that straight or even

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 22, 2014, 02:00:54 PM
I've always liked mechanical signals, the ones on Moor Street are great fun to play with but for New Street I wont get the chance to have any.  However for Brettell Road there are 2 (one of which is abandoned) so I have got to have a go at making some from MSE kits.
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/disused-signal.jpg)
First up the disused one, based on a photo I found. This one would actually be a repeater for the main signal the other side of the bridge due to sighting problems. Weathering is done with gouache. I replaced the supplied ladder with one of Colin Craig's.
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ground-signal-1.jpg)
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ground-signal-2.jpg)
The other signal is this little ground signal (yellow so that the headshunt can be used when its set to danger) I deviated from the MSE instructions by making the counterweight arm work too. Theres a fibre optic in the lamp but its a bugger to photograph - you can just make it out in the second picture. It looks a bit blue but I was using a white light source - changing it to a yellow one should correct this.

Finally as I was tidying up I left a pack of LED's lying on the layout and purely by chance it illuminated the signal. Thinking it looked quite nice I took the image below - I'd like to claim it was carefully planned but nope - this was just lucky!
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/night-signal.jpg)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 22, 2014, 06:14:41 PM
Very cool. I too like mechanical signals, especially semaphores.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 29, 2014, 05:07:54 AM
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/detector.jpg)
What you see above is a representation of a detector for the ground signal on Brettell Road. It was knocked up from scraps of brass using photos and Steve Hall's articles in MRJ 113 and 115. I always enjoy fiddly details like this even though I know it will go unnoticed to most people.
There's only going to be 1 point on Brettell Road that's operated by the off scene signal box, the rest being operated by hand levers. However I wanted to include remnants of what was there before meaning the double slip would have been operated either end with facing point locks. Also given the distance a couple of compensators will be needed so while it's not exactly complicated stuff it is worth doing.
My chosen route is the Brassmasters etched bits with rodding from MSE. I have also included the odd rodding stool where the rodding has been removed to help with the idea that it's not so much added to the layout as taken away.
(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/compensators.jpg)
Most of this stuff is quite basic if a bit fiddly. Above are a couple of compensators. The ones supplied are cosmetic and don't move and that's fine for the disused rods as per the one on the right however with only 1 run that does anything it would be rude not to make it work. Ok it's driven from the point rather than driving the point itself but let's not worry too much about that. 2 Brassmasters compensators were used to make the one on the left with the centre arm from one and a few brass pins meaning it will move when the point it thrown.
All in a fun little project see below for a quick video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QrJsLczids&w=600


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hydrostat on October 29, 2014, 07:55:37 AM
Jim,

I'm following every post about this outstanding project. I especially like to see those things work prototypically, as far as possible according to scale.

I always enjoy fiddly details like this even though I know it will go unnoticed to most people.

You're right, for sure. But this is part of modeling: Doing it somewhat for one's own behalf, too.

Volker


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: 1-32 on October 29, 2014, 12:19:19 PM
great fan of mechanical signaling.
great job with all that point rodding 4mm scale fiddly.
regards kim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 29, 2014, 02:16:32 PM
Very cool. I enjoyed seeing it work in the video.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Sami on November 03, 2014, 03:45:22 AM
Very nice job !


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 24, 2015, 05:02:56 PM
Hi all

While falling rain is not doable and if it was to scale wouldn't be visible anyway I believe it's worth trying to show the effects of rainfall. Of course it will be frozen in time but I don't think there's a lot I can do about that and I'd like to credit those who view the layout in the flesh with a degree of imagination.

Aside from things looking wet the other thing I wanted to try was raindrops in puddles and the canal.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/canal.jpg)

The canal itself was done with multiple layers of varnish as per Gordon Gravetts book then the area where the bridges were masked and more varnish added (Humbrol clear) with baking soda sprinkled on while wet. I did try cold and warm varnish  to see if it made any difference but found it didn't.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/canal-2.jpg)

The above image shows the canal in position (again you will have to imagine the walls) and below in something approaching the light I plan the final project to have.

(http://www.p4newstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/canal-dark.jpg)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hydrostat on March 25, 2015, 02:39:51 AM
Looks good to me. Especially the second shot with backlight gives a good impression of an april sunlight shower. Very interesting approach.

Cheers,
Volker


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on March 25, 2015, 07:41:21 AM
Very inventive technique. It does give the impression it's raining.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: 5thwheel on March 25, 2015, 08:11:29 AM
YES!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 15, 2015, 10:31:22 AM
Hi All

Work has been progressing on my side project. Ive built one of the main buildings but decided to depict it as abandoned. Here it is bedded in with a bit more work still to do.

Jim



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 15, 2015, 10:32:47 AM
A bit of scruffy track and an image that kinda shows the look im aiming for

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on October 15, 2015, 11:37:08 AM
Good scenery and photography. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: michael mott on October 15, 2015, 01:15:53 PM
Very nice, the scene evokes childhood memories of the Acton shunting yard in west London.

Michael


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 15, 2015, 07:24:48 PM
Great job!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on October 16, 2015, 04:25:39 AM
Good to see this again, nice progress, looks good.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on October 16, 2015, 06:54:22 AM
A bit of scruffy track and an image that kinda shows the look im aiming for

Jim

Excellent!
Happy to hear from you again, I was getting worried...


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Allan G on October 16, 2015, 07:38:25 AM
Love the photograph!!!!! Allan


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 09, 2016, 03:46:15 PM
Hi All

Happy new year everyone!

Although I like working with brass I've never built an actual brass locomotive kit. Towards the end of last year I set to work on one, A Judith Edge kit for a little 0-4-0 diesel shunter.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 09, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
Here is the same after paint and in a more realistic setting. The garish livery wasn't something I was looking forward too but it turned out OK


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 09, 2016, 04:01:22 PM
While I was in the working with brass mood I also built a Brassmasters kit for a Deeley 0-4-0 Tank engine.  The valve gear was another first for me.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: lab-dad on January 09, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Nice brass!
No one is going to miss that's shunter.
Marty


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on January 09, 2016, 04:48:43 PM
I love brass models they are pure for me modeling, very nice work.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Allan G on January 09, 2016, 04:50:22 PM
All of these look great!.....Allan


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 09, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
Thanks all.

I like the way that (apart from a few castings, wheels and motor/gears) they start out as a few flat sheets of metal.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on January 09, 2016, 05:22:59 PM
Excellent engines!
Glad to hear from you again.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 09, 2016, 07:33:47 PM
Those turned out great. Good construction and really nice, clean paint job.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on January 10, 2016, 02:27:06 AM
Good heavens! -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Sami on January 16, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
The structure of the layout in laser cut is originaly. Well done.
Nice contructions for the locomotives.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 22, 2016, 04:27:07 PM
Thanks all

Aside from a few minor finishing touches the little tank engine is now done.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 22, 2016, 08:17:11 PM
Looks great! Nice work.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 29, 2016, 07:38:38 AM
One of the few steam locos that appealed to me before I started Brettell Road was the Midland Flatiron or ‘hole in the wall tanks’. Although not a great success the designed by ruler and no other drawing aids look of the things appealed to my interest in things that look less than pretty. While they made it to the LMS and were reboilered by them (you can tell by the square firebox and the protruding smoke box) the last of the breed went for scrap in 1938. But what if they didn’t? What if at least one managed another dozen years? I could have one on Brettell Road then!

Of course the armchair experts will delight in pointing out that its wrong but we seem happy to basically make up history for locations, why not locos?  Id be interested in people’s thoughts on this.

Wanting to see how one would look in BR livery I got my digital crayons out and drew it. I think it looks quite smart myself.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on March 29, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
Very nice artwork. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: michael mott on March 29, 2016, 12:11:10 PM
I like it a lot the drawing and the design. What digital program did you use?

Michael


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 29, 2016, 12:24:34 PM
Thanks both

I did this in Photoshop. I used to be an illustrator but became disillusioned with it. This is the first thing I've drawn in years!

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on March 29, 2016, 03:22:32 PM
Jim, As has already been said, nice drawing. Looks like a homely loco that would be fun to have, but would its long rigid wheelbase have problems on any of your curves?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Allan G on March 30, 2016, 09:11:33 AM
Beautiful Photoshop work! Allan


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 06, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
Hi all.

Been fiddling about with lights. These pictures are pretty much the look I was after

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 06, 2016, 12:10:08 PM
A few more


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Sami on July 06, 2016, 12:29:09 PM
The night photos are wonderful !


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on July 07, 2016, 12:59:36 AM
Very adequate. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 22, 2016, 04:05:04 PM
Work has progressed on my warehouse. I've installed the second floor which means the final lighting for the first floor is also in place. I used self adhesive copper tape instead of wire and found it made things so much easier. Something ill definitely be adopting for the other floors and buildings.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 22, 2016, 04:07:32 PM
A couple of pics of the Deeley tank parked up for the night.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 22, 2016, 09:16:23 PM
Very nice!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on July 23, 2016, 01:01:11 AM
I certainly could have used some of those photos when I was publishing the Annuals! -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on July 23, 2016, 07:37:29 AM
Very nice scenes.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 17, 2016, 12:23:35 PM
Thanks all.  A few more images. I've added a few details to the second floor more of a hint of something there really as you can only see it if you peek through the windows.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on August 18, 2016, 01:03:13 AM
Those images remind me of an attempt from several years ago that just refused to satisfy me. So instead of shooting through the window at the interior, I used the light through the window to illuminate a locomotive (in the dark) outside the building. The patterns of light pouring through the muntins and mullions onto the loco were very effective. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 18, 2016, 01:40:25 AM
I know what you mean Russ.  I've included windows at the back of the building, even if you can't see them,  to try and get the effect you describe.  I haven't tried any shots to see if it will work though


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hydrostat on August 18, 2016, 03:13:20 AM
Jim,

I really like and enjoy the standard of your modeling and photography. There were a lot of shots which made it at least hard to decide whether there's a prototype or a model picture. I like the last ones, too, but the brickwork looks a bit unrealistic to my eyes. Maybe you're going to put work into it and if so please forgive my nitpicking. I think the point is that there's no sharp edges at all the bricks, which seem to be somewhat rounded in all dimensions, and the surface looks a bit like plastics, which it is, I assume? For sure this works from a watching distance at the model, but not in such a close up shot.

Volker


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 18, 2016, 10:11:01 AM
Very true Volker   Have a look back at page 3 for the very same point, appologies for lots of the links being broken (I upload images to the forum now)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hydrostat on August 18, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
My apologies. I didn't notice that.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on August 20, 2016, 12:34:44 AM
Nice. I always prefer to have at least a hint of something showing through the windows, even if it can't be seen clearly, rather than just leaving it empty.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 21, 2017, 11:09:26 AM
I have a bit of a thing for bad kits. Very well designed ones are great but I always feel someone else has done all the work for up you. It all seems a bit easy some how.  So I found an old white metal kit for a very long lived loco called a Kirtley Goods or 700 class. This class served the British railway network for a century and the example I'm modelling did 80+ years from build to scrapping!
The kit, according to the copyright notice on the instructions came out in 1976 which means it's only 2 years younger than I am!

Anyway to get a feel of where I'm starting from I loosely mocked up the body as below.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 21, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
The moulded springs were rubbish, I'd already started removing them in the previous picture but the splashers were huge. This threw out the entire look of the loco. The reason for this was to accomodate 00 gauge wheels. You can see in the first picture below the difference between a 00 wheel and a scale wheel. The second image shows the reduced sized splasher.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 21, 2017, 11:14:37 AM
Here's the loco after much modification, it's nearly ready for paint.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 21, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
The supplied chassis was very much of its time. I used a brassmasters chassis intended for a different class. The wheelbase was the same.   The picture shows the inside motion (a separate kit from the same source)

a quick video of the inside motion can be found here https://youtu.be/JFz3N2BgLeI (https://youtu.be/JFz3N2BgLeI)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on January 21, 2017, 12:08:34 PM
Quite an improvement in appearance! I also enjoy working on models that have "potential", and need some work to reach it, though not with the skill level you show.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on January 21, 2017, 12:41:32 PM
... And with that skill, why not scratchbuild the loco to your own standards? Clearly you are a better craftsman than whomever created the kit! -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on January 22, 2017, 11:41:00 AM
Thanks both

I just think the kit was of its time being from the mid 1970s

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on January 22, 2017, 12:36:29 PM
Here's the loco after much modification, it's nearly ready for paint.

A really clean build, Jim!
And glad to see a post from you again.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on January 22, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
Nice job turning a sow's ear into a silk purse!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 06, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
When I was a kid my dad brought me a Lima pannier tank. I ran it for years but never got rid of it so I decided to try to turn it from what was basically a toy to a model of the real loco.

The starting point.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 06, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
Luckily in conversation with a kit manufacturer he decided an etched chassis was something he was interested in adding to his range.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 06, 2017, 02:51:30 PM
Some general detailing to replace moulded detail and reduce the size of the splashers.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on March 06, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
The finished result.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on March 06, 2017, 07:48:52 PM
Well done!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on March 06, 2017, 07:58:33 PM
Yes, well done!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on March 06, 2017, 10:19:57 PM
The rebuilt model appears to display some degree of improvement, oui? -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on March 06, 2017, 11:58:30 PM
That loco is bound for Model Railway Journal, right?
Excellent work.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on May 16, 2017, 01:44:48 AM
That loco is bound for Model Railway Journal, right?
Excellent work.

I'll ask if they want it. I've already got quite a list of stuff I need to do for them.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on May 16, 2017, 01:46:27 AM
I've finished all of the main buildings for Brettell road. Still plenty more to do yet though.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on May 16, 2017, 01:47:51 AM
Some overviews of the whole layout.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on May 16, 2017, 01:48:42 AM
Probably should include at least one picture of a train!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: fspg2 on May 16, 2017, 02:36:55 AM
Hi Jim,

Since I am already into the brooding, whether the picture shows models or the reality!

Great modeling - I like it! :)


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on May 16, 2017, 12:05:33 PM
I agree with Frithjof. Few if any clues that it's a photo of a model. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on May 16, 2017, 09:59:46 PM
Excellent work!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: 1-32 on June 06, 2017, 05:40:56 PM
love UK inspired model railways looking good


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 09, 2017, 05:44:30 AM
Hi all

Well I've reached the end of adding green stuff to the layout with the slim strip of it at the front. There's only really the bridges, some more road vehicles and some industrial clutter still to do on the scenic side now.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on July 09, 2017, 05:45:59 AM
I decided to revisit an older picture i quite liked, well why not?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on July 09, 2017, 05:58:10 AM
Terrific modeling, Jim. The overall colors harmony and level of details and weathering present a very believable scene.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on July 09, 2017, 12:25:45 PM
Most adequate. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on July 10, 2017, 01:02:41 AM
Very nice, subtle realism!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on September 19, 2017, 11:39:06 AM
Hi all. 

The last big thing on brettell road I really wanted to get finished off before it's debut at scaleforum this weekend was the bridges. I had a good look at the available options (the whole layout was supposed to be none too serious, remember) and didn't really like what I saw.

So design and etch my own it was then!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on September 19, 2017, 11:40:23 AM
Those 2 are the designs that go over the railway. These 2 are the ones that carry the railway over the canal.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on September 19, 2017, 11:52:57 AM
Impressive and yet more evidence of your being a very accomplished modeler. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on September 20, 2017, 12:22:59 AM
Awesome!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Hauk on September 20, 2017, 04:00:37 AM
Those 2 are the designs that go over the railway. These 2 are the ones that carry the railway over the canal.

Impressing!
Are the rivets etched or punched?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on September 20, 2017, 05:05:04 AM
Mostly etched, however where there's some that are punched because of the way it's designed


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on September 20, 2017, 05:57:48 AM
Very nice work.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 12, 2017, 12:37:02 PM
Got the bridges finished and "planted"


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 12, 2017, 12:37:56 PM
Some more


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on October 12, 2017, 12:38:31 PM
Last 2


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Peter_T1958 on October 12, 2017, 01:35:47 PM
Hi Jim

If you knew how much I love that British stuff! I'm very impressed by your talent and your perseverance.
I well remember your attempt to show the effects of rainfall some posts ago. This encouraged me to order Gorden Gravett's book - a true treasure chest! Thanks for that hint too!

Cheers, Peter


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 12, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Excellent work!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on October 13, 2017, 01:44:19 AM
Your layout is really progressing. Quite adequate. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on October 13, 2017, 05:54:34 AM
A good variety of bridges, nice progress.
I remember the raindrops on water too. My attempt didn't yield the results you got though.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 03, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
Hi all

I decided the greenery on Brettell Road was not autumnal enough so I’ve been having another look.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 03, 2018, 01:23:05 PM
I’ve been cluttering up my factory as well.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 03, 2018, 01:23:45 PM
A couple of night shots


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on April 04, 2018, 01:53:21 AM
Adequate improvements. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on April 04, 2018, 05:05:39 AM
I like the mood of night shots especially. Maybe it is still possible to light up at least 1 lorries.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on April 04, 2018, 05:56:02 AM
Nice clutter and scenery and night shots.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 04, 2018, 06:10:52 AM
I like the mood of night shots especially. Maybe it is still possible to light up at least 1 lorries.

Thanks all

The lorry that’s leaving does have the tail lights lit using fibre optics.

Regards

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on April 04, 2018, 01:39:04 PM
I always enjoy your updates. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on April 04, 2018, 02:43:26 PM
I like the mood of night shots especially. Maybe it is still possible to light up at least 1 lorries.

Thanks all

The lorry that’s leaving does have the tail lights lit using fibre optics.

Regards

Jim
OK Thanks
OK Jim, thank you very much, now I have been able to recognize it, only because the lantern light falls on the taillights, I did not immediately recognize it.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Barney on April 04, 2018, 02:58:19 PM
Very nice scenes - atmospheric  Autumn 
Barney


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 04, 2018, 11:32:14 PM
Beautiful! I like the size and layout of that factory.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 10, 2018, 02:43:00 PM
I wasn't all that happy with the positioning of the yard lamps shown last time. The one on the right masked the tail lights on the lorry (as several people didn't notice them) and it didn't do enough to light up the entrance to the yard. Leading a couple of people to enquire how the lorries actually got in. So I've had a bit of a fiddle.

I've added headlights to the lorry.. They are much to bright really but you can't see them from the front of the layout anyway.

The last image shows what I was aiming for. Again its too bright for a lorry of that era but I'm happy with a bit of artistic licence for effect. You can see the difference when the headlights are blocked (on the left).


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 10, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
I have also been busy with more AK interactive wet effects fluid. Below are a few overviews that give a better hint of the rain.



Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on April 10, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Your artistic modeling license paid off, the headlights do add a lot to the scene. 


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on April 11, 2018, 01:30:33 AM
Jim, yes Led are sometimes brutally bright, because it helps to increase the series resistance significantly. In any case, the scene has won a lot.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on April 11, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
Excellent wet weather effects. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 18, 2018, 05:39:57 PM
Yeah, the wet weather effect is pretty cool. Is that a permanent treatment?


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on April 20, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
It is indeed Ray


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Allan G on April 20, 2018, 02:51:04 PM
Wonderful work. Love the night shots.....Allan


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on June 02, 2018, 05:25:50 AM
Just a layout picture. Daylight this time


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on June 02, 2018, 12:24:38 PM
Acceptable. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on June 02, 2018, 06:36:09 PM
Nice, and seems very authentic! I get a real strong "sense of place" from your work.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 29, 2018, 04:42:09 AM
Hi all

I’ve been busy with my digital crayons revising my back scenes. Here’s a few images.

Jim


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 29, 2018, 04:43:17 AM
A few more


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Bill Gill on August 29, 2018, 05:50:12 AM
Looks good. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Design-HSB on August 29, 2018, 07:21:12 AM
Thanks for the show, the night shots show a great vibe.


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: finescalerr on August 29, 2018, 12:14:20 PM
Very good. Now try some sunset shots and see what you come up with. -- Russ


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: jim s-w on August 29, 2018, 12:15:41 PM
Sorry russ the layout is modelled to be in the dark


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: TRAINS1941 on August 29, 2018, 02:18:22 PM
What  a beautiful layout.  Great night scenes.

Jerry


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Ray Dunakin on August 29, 2018, 11:35:05 PM
Great scenes!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Greg Hile on August 29, 2018, 11:41:24 PM
Very nice!


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: Allan G on August 30, 2018, 08:47:17 AM
Fantastic!!!..Allan


Title: Re: P4NewStreet - modelling Birmingham (UK) in the 1980's - 1:76 scale
Post by: fspg2 on August 30, 2018, 11:18:45 AM
That looks great :)
It´s a very realistic atmosphere!