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Title: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 12, 2019, 10:27:38 PM
About a month and a half ago I decided finally to cobble together an On30 caboose I'd drawn back around 2008. It's been more work than it's worth and, frankly, I'm dissatisfied with the results so far but I suppose it's okay for a "pilot model". Actually, I started construction just to see whether I like the design and, if I do, maybe I'll rebuild the whole thing but with more laser cut parts and figure out ways to create other parts with tools other than my hands, a knife, and pliers.

First the drawing.

Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 12, 2019, 10:28:32 PM
Now a shot of the walls under construction. -- Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: TRAINS1941 on June 12, 2019, 10:32:14 PM
Hey Unc most satisfactory!!

Jerry


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 12, 2019, 10:35:09 PM
Here is what it looks like now. To my eye, it's a little rough -- too "handmade" -- and, in this case, using cardstock and wood construction seems largely to be responsible for that appearance. It also has made building the model much more difficult and finicky since the whole thing is only about four inches long. I think I now remember why I dread scratchbuilding boxcars and cabooses. -- Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: 1-32 on June 12, 2019, 10:47:49 PM
Hi Russ.
yes, satisfactory -please proceed and finish it.
cheers


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Robert G on June 13, 2019, 02:18:07 AM
Russ, I don't think it is that bad at all , actually, I like it very much.  !! It is just to new at this stage. Needs some serious weathering. ;)


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Design-HSB on June 13, 2019, 06:00:01 AM
HI Russ, looks very interesting and inspiring and of course but also high as brand new. Hey just why not, it doesn't have to look like everything that would have to scare the ride.


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Bill Gill on June 13, 2019, 06:14:08 AM
Russ, I agree, your caboose looks pretty good.
The only thing that stands out to me is that the wood and cardstock parts look stained rather than painted. There is a slight difference in the intensity of the color on those different materials too. But the construction looks really nicely done.


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 13, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
I will complete it but it is below the standard of this forum's modeling. It will have to be a "test build" to reveal what must change on a future iteration. For one thing, the proportions looked better on paper than they do in reality. The thing also is taking "forever" to build and that is something I would change on a revised model; it needs much better engineering. Styrene would have been a far better material to use. The only reason I've posted it is to let you know I've been working on something, not just sitting in the audience. -- Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Lawton Maner on June 13, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
I think it passes the "cute" test.


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 13, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
I fooled around with the caboose today and have decided to salvage the trucks but scrap everything else. More work would be a waste of time. On the other hand, I can study the body to see what I did wrong.

The end steps (below) match the plans perfectly, were difficult to build, took hours to assemble, but look wrong on the model and stick out too far. I smoothed their rough edges a couple of weeks ago but won't bother to attach them permanently.

Too many other parts fit poorly, involve unsatisfactory compromises, or just look wrong, especially the hardware. As Lawton says, the design is "cute" but, as I suggested above, "cute" isn't what I had in mind. The reason I posted photos is to show how we often have to throw out days of work and rebuild all or parts of a model before it turns out properly. In this case even the plans themselves need revision.

As I said at the beginning, it is a pilot model.

Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 13, 2019, 09:39:32 PM
Has nice lines. Good to see you modeling!


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Doug H. on June 13, 2019, 09:53:16 PM
Looks good Russ! It reminds me of a Westside Lumber caboose.


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Ray Dunakin on June 14, 2019, 12:10:17 AM
Interesting project. I think it looks pretty good except for the swaybacked roof on the cupola.



Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Dave Fischer on June 17, 2019, 12:11:59 AM
Ray, you're not supposed to mention those things, at least not before it's all done. This IS a very attractive caboose and it would certainly be worth  trying a styrene version before giving up the idea. Russ, have you tried the steps in place? I'm wondering if they will be visually too heavy for such a small caboose-- I like seeing the truck below the platform. Maybe some home-grown strap steps under a full-width platform? Just thinkin'   DF


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 17, 2019, 01:06:05 AM
Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I am only abandoning further work on the current attempt, in the photos above. I have to engineer a better "kit" with some detail changes and a traditional painted finish. Someday i hope to complete a more satisfactory and maybe more durable version of the model. -- Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: peterh on June 17, 2019, 02:34:51 AM
Russ, what are we seeing in your photo of the walls on a cutting board? Are the vertical planks printed and the windows and doors stripwood? Did you scribe the vertical planks?


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: Lawton Maner on June 17, 2019, 09:24:58 AM
Russ:
     Just keep reminding all of us that sometimes a trash can is a useful modeling tool.


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: TRAINS1941 on June 17, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Someday your day will come!!  ;D

Jerry


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 17, 2019, 12:01:57 PM
Peter, the caboose walls are inkjet printed cardstock. I scribed then board joints to make them three dimensional, then laminated the walls onto a more durable card and cut out the door and window openings. I reinforced the built-up car body with 1/4-inch square styrene strips. The doors and windows are laser cut Strathmore Bristol cardstock (about 0.013-inch thick). Last month I posted something about finding a local laser guy who can use my AutoCAD drawings to cut the parts I need. -- Russ


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: peterh on June 17, 2019, 03:30:17 PM
Thanks Russ. Iíve experimented with your method of combining printout with painted wood parts and found it was too hard to get the textures to match. Let alone the colour. Besides, brush painting  with acrylics is easy and gives great results, as Troels Kirk shows.

A suggestion about proportions: the lookout on top seems to big - big enough to hold a party - and I think that contributes to the cute look. Hereís a French wagon with a lookout that has better proportions in general.


Title: Re: 1:48 Caboose
Post by: finescalerr on June 17, 2019, 09:28:05 PM
I think you may be right about the cupola. I checked some other small cabooses and the cupolas are slightly shorter. You also are correct about the difficulty of matching painted parts to printed parts. It's nearly impossible and that creates some real problems when you build a freight car or caboose from printed paper. It is much less a problem with structures. -- Russ