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Title: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: lab-dad on August 18, 2012, 03:43:21 PM
Well I have been sandbagging - as usual.
I like to get well into a project before I start a thread, just in case.
Anyway I have been working on this since the moment I finished my 1/35 adventure.

Next up is a lathe.
Specifically;
The 24 inch Eureka Engine Lathe
manufactured by Rahn-Mayer & Carpenter of Cincinnati, Ohio

I am using the C.H.B. Kit in 1:48 as my starting point.
The kit is available from Sierra West now.

When I looked at the 1:48 kit I was blown away by the detail Charlie had put in.
I think Charles H. Brommer was one of the FINEST model makers ever.
Anyway....Charlie's 1/48 kit had the faceplate threaded on to the drive!
It works so sweet! I had to do that. Mine is 3/8" 24 t.p.i.
I have no idea what the pitch is on the 1/48 scale model!

I had to keep up so I made the handle on the end of my tailstock move the tailstock in and out.
Just like a real lathe, hell it is almost as big as my Sherline I am using!!!
I'm not real happy about the handle on the tailstock, but it is a start.

Overall length is 10 5/8" (or just over 14 "scale"feet).

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/Aug_18.jpg)

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on August 18, 2012, 04:44:31 PM
Well it's about time we saw some pictures.

I see your up to your usual standard of work.
And to make the parts movable excellent job there Mr. Jones.

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Malachi Constant on August 18, 2012, 08:25:05 PM
Good start!  Nice little handles on those lower cabinets. -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on August 19, 2012, 02:06:20 AM
No complaints yet from here in the peanut gallery. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: mad gerald on August 20, 2012, 02:25:54 AM
Marty,
Well I have been sandbagging - as usual.
... you're having us on ...  8)

Next up is a lathe.
... nice to see more of this big scale stuff, IMHO building in 1/16 scale is highly contagious ...  ;)


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Chuck Doan on August 20, 2012, 07:54:09 AM
Very nice. I agree with your comments about Mr. Brommer. I was also very impressed with the threaded spindle in that kit. 


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 21, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Milling the face plate;
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/434A9D89-0792-459C-A838-895BAC88E015-6642-00000C62FF1591E5.jpg)

I was worried this would be much more difficult than it turned out to be.
Took about 20 minutes and some serious counting out loud to get the cuts the right length.
Also at 22.5 degrees apart for each slot .125" wide (the smaller slots @.100" 90 degrees apart done second)
Long ones are .800" long short ones are .500" long............

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/6746C1C2-FC3A-4379-8417-AE474C743285-6642-00000C630CC65FF7.jpg)

Unfortunately after doing some checking last night the whole thing is too tall.
Dont know how I buggered that up....I will be lowering the whole thing..........hopefully this is not the end.

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Chuck Doan on August 21, 2012, 01:11:25 PM
Do you mean the height of the head and tailstock? Many lathes were modified for a bigger swing so you might still be plausable.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: k27rgs on August 22, 2012, 12:43:14 AM
I do a lot of lurking ( not in a perverted way  :-[  ) ..... on the WPF and blown over by all the projects.
Very much enjoying the machinery by this guy. 
The completed structure to house these items should be a doo-zee ( if I live long enough  ;D  )

tanks 

regards  "M"


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 22, 2012, 08:33:49 AM
Chuck
The overall height was the issue, thankfully it is a was now
Still dont know how I messed it up but the bed is now 18" lower, looks much better - pics soon.
Mario
Tanks! I hope I live long enough!

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 23, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
OK
I wanted to make the "back gear" operable.
That is be able to pivot in and out of mesh with the gears on the main shaft.
This is how a "real" lathe works when you want to do threads and such.
Here are the gears arranged;
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/backgear.jpg)

What I did for the shaft - to make it move.
Was solder a .093" tube inside the .187" shaft.
Then by using a .062" rod inside I can rotate the shaft to bring the back gears in and out of mesh.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/backgearshaft.jpg)

Here is the issue;
How do I make the lever that normally moves it connect/work??? ???
I just dont have the room (even in 1/16) to use the normal cam action.
The major problem is the shaft must rotate 180 degrees.
I'm thinking but hoping someone has an idea that might work.

Thanks!
-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 HELP!!!
Post by: TRAINS1941 on August 23, 2012, 05:57:54 PM
Excellent MJ!!!!!

But we heard you the 1st time ;D

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 HELP!!!
Post by: Malachi Constant on August 24, 2012, 12:44:42 AM
Could the cam be a crescent attached to the edge of the sleeve around the inner shaft?  (IE, not necessarily have the donut that goes around the sleeve.  In other words, remove the donut from the cam and just use the lobe, if that makes any more sense?)  Sure you'll work it out ... damn cool project!  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 HELP!!!
Post by: Junior on August 24, 2012, 08:01:51 AM
Marty, when this is done what will the size be of the diorama inculding the loco etc.? Great work!

Anders


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 HELP!!!
Post by: SandiaPaul on August 24, 2012, 08:26:47 AM
Marty,

Its hard to give an idea without seeing exactly how much room you have.  I can't see why the "real" mechanism would not work. It looks like you would have enough room to put an eccentric in there. Its just a disc(2, one per end) with 1 hole off center for the .062" rod you have. The disc rides in a hole you cut in the headstock "casting."  If you don't get it I can post a sketch.

A simpler solution is some lathes had a simple left to right sliding mechanism for the back gears. It may not be correct for the one you are making but it was done.

Nice work so far though!

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 26, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
Problem solved!
So simple, dont know why I didnt think of it!
I think Paul and Dallas were trying to convey the same idea but I just couldn't "see" it.
The two images should explain it better than words but;
I soldered the 1/16 shaft inside the offset 3/32 one at one end.
Now rotating the 1/16 shaft moves the whole thing in and out!
I also made up the handle - 3/32 square stock, 1/16 hole for the shaft and then split secured with a 1mm bolt.

Disengaged
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/DISENGAGED.jpg)

Engaged
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/ENGAGED.jpg)

More soon!
-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on August 26, 2012, 01:19:23 PM
Yeah that is what I was trying to say. You didn't post back,  I was all set to make a quick 3D model think you were tearing your hair out over this. This is really what happens on a real lathe.

How about a shaper or planer next? ;)

Paul



Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Malachi Constant on August 26, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
Making this little thing "work" is just plain nuts!  But, probably in a good way ... glad to see that you've got that bit worked out.  You won't have any trouble now when you get around to that relatively simple little meat slicer.  ;D  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on August 27, 2012, 09:33:49 AM
Yeah that is what I was trying to say. You didn't post back,  I was all set to make a quick 3D model think you were tearing your hair out over this. This is really what happens on a real lathe.

How about a shaper or planer next? ;)

Paul



Paul here's the Planer he also did a Drill Press.

(finally) getting inspired!« 1 2 ... 8 9 »

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 27, 2012, 03:53:59 PM
Well thanks to Tropical storm Isaak and a generator (no power since 8/26 @22:00 hrs)
I was able to finish the work on the headstock.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/HeadstockA.jpg)

Paul.
Here is the planer;
http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=1656.90 (http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=1656.90)

The drill press;
http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=1770.75 (http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=1770.75)

I think I would like a universal miller or similar.
Looking last night the shop will likely be between 40 and 48" long and only about 16" deep (only half of the shop, may be a bit more so i can have a track through it).

Power came on about an hour ago so I was able to post this update.

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: billmart on August 27, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
That is looking super nice, Marty. 

Bill Martinsen


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on August 27, 2012, 07:12:54 PM
Power is on.  But I don't see it turning ???

Besides that an excellent job.

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: michael mott on August 27, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
So is the black gear a Lego gear or a kn-ex gear?

Michael


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on August 28, 2012, 04:47:47 AM
Ooops, sheesh I have CRS! I forgot about the planer!

OK universal mill next!

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 28, 2012, 05:57:37 AM
Thanks guys!
Michael.
The gears are for r/c cars; 64 pitch (which is the finest I could find)
They are available in hundreds of teeth and affordable; $3 - $8
-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Mobilgas on August 28, 2012, 06:52:43 AM
Marty, The r/c section.... in my LHS is were i found some small Gears.... when i was looking for something i could use on the Tow boom for my O scale Tow Truck Build  ;)


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 29, 2012, 06:00:46 PM
Change gears finished.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/changegears.jpg)

And yes they actually work.  ;)
I am considering making the lower gear operate the lead screw just to ensure my place in the crazy bin.
If I do that then I guess i need to do the half nut on the tool rest to prove I am a full nut!

Craig,
The issue with the r/c gears as they are kind of thick, which is what I needed for the back gears and such.

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 29, 2012, 06:04:30 PM
Lowered stance.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/60DF9A46-8B46-4285-A28A-FB6A0BFB7546-489-00000023378F8BF8.jpg)


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on August 29, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
PERFECT

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Ray Dunakin on August 29, 2012, 11:42:16 PM
Looking good!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on August 30, 2012, 01:34:31 AM
Adequate. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Malachi Constant on August 30, 2012, 10:49:02 AM
The black and white colors scheme with a bit of silver is rather elegant, but I'm sure it will look even better once you've painted it a really vivid green.  ;D  >:(  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 30, 2012, 01:55:18 PM
Thanks guys!
Dallas, wont be all green there will be some yeller and chains.
Sorry Unc, no place for antlers.
I wonder whete I can get some 1/16 antlers?.......
Mj


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Wesleybeks on August 31, 2012, 06:37:16 AM
WOW. This is a thing of beauty.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 31, 2012, 10:19:33 AM
Thanks Wes!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Scratchman on August 31, 2012, 12:21:34 PM
Marty, beautiful work as always. Looking forward to seeing it all come together.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on August 31, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
Thanks Gordon!
Would be really neat to get all our (and Chuck's) 1/16 stuff together someday.
Of course the logistics would be a nightmare!

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on September 01, 2012, 03:11:25 PM
No reason to have the change gears if I dont have the levers and the speed chart!
Nothing permanent just laying there, I need to be able to paint it all separately.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/changegearbox.jpg)

-Marty
 


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on September 01, 2012, 05:51:09 PM
Don't you think this is going a bit far?????  Next you'll be telling us your making little parts for Chuck & Gordon on this small lathe!!!!! 8)

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on September 03, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/leadscrew.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/leadscrew_vert.jpg)

No sense having the change gears and such without the leadscrew.

Jerry,
Both gentlemen dont need my help in any way.
Mj


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on September 03, 2012, 01:36:31 PM
Smashing nice work, young Martin. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on September 03, 2012, 02:41:31 PM
A beautiful job.  Surely it will fit in with the other pieces.

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on September 03, 2012, 03:47:25 PM
Just continue to enjoy this and your other builds ....... Fascinating

The last pictures are really great, it really looks the part.



Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Malachi Constant on September 03, 2012, 04:39:45 PM
Fabulous!  Plus a couple silly little nitty-gritty questions:

-- Did you make your own NBW's out of hex rod and round rod?
-- Did you make the little (dummy?) hinges on the bottom cabinet door from separate segments of rod ... or score the rod?

Cheers,
Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on September 03, 2012, 05:51:07 PM
Thanks guys!
Glad you are all enjoying the project.

Dallas,
The NBW's are store bought. I think they are Simpson.
Funny you should ask, I have been thinking with the limited sizes available i should just do my own.
On the hinges; I put the rod (.050") down with the PVC cleaner, then sliced them up, carefully.
After that I added another drop of the cleaner to lock them in.
I really wanted to make them operable but the big ass chunks of plastic I used for the bases scared me.
I was not sure about opening them up.
I could have done them in sheet styrene but really liked the flare at the bottom.
The sacrifices we make for our (limited) sanity.

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Ray Dunakin on September 03, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
Looking good!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Chuck Doan on September 04, 2012, 08:21:31 AM
Yes it is!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on September 10, 2012, 04:48:23 PM
Tool holder and apron finished, sort of.
Still need the lever and handwheels.
FWIW the tool holder works as the real deal as do the pivot/angle adjuster and the tool feed/adjust.
I may increase the size of some of the hardware.
-Marty

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/toolholderC.jpg)


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on September 10, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
If that doesn't look like the real thing I don't know what does.

And moving parts no less.

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: NE Brownstone on September 19, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
Nice work Marty.  Being an owner of an old 24" belt slapper at one time I can say everything looks about right.   Nice Job on the back gears.

Here's a story about a small lathe built by prisoners in a Japanese prison during WWII.  And modern prisoners think they are so innovative making shanks out of steel chunks and tattoo machines out of tape recorders.

http://machineshop.olin.edu/resources/documents/Prison%20Camp%20Lathe.pdf


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on September 19, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
Thanks Russ.
Great story, thoroughly enjoyed it!
Brought back memories of "Hogan's Hero's"
-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on September 19, 2012, 07:28:40 PM
May I make a suggestion?  The rocker under your tool bit is too large, I mean too tall.
Take a look at pictures or instruction books and see how tall they are, they are usually only a small "boat" shape. See some examples here:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tok=ig1MW18bofoQcoTe09L4zA&ds=bo&pq=machinst&cp=18&gs_id=1ud&xhr=t&q=how+to+run+a+lathe&safe=off&um=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1454&bih=774&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=HnBaUM6WOuPu0gGgxoHACA#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=lantern+tool+post+holder&oq=lantern+tool+post&gs_l=img.1.1.0i24l2.28760.33094.2.35938.17.12.0.5.5.0.159.1114.8j4.12.0...0.0...1c.1.T9gbLK9Pspc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=d8712af1ae4bb980&biw=1454&bih=774

If you search I'm sure you will find a prototype for a tall one but its certainty not common. Too a machinist it looks odd.

I say this from many years of exposure to machine tools and direct experience with these (awful) types of tool posts.  In fact they do have their advantages, but are generally hard to use and not all that rigid.

I make it a habit to not criticize(maybe that makes me an odd ball on this forum ;)? ) But this just sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

All else is fantastic...I'd like to see a whole shop!

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on September 20, 2012, 05:53:16 AM
Paul,
First off Thanks!
And your absolutely correct.
It has bothered me since I made it. I think I will relegate this one to a parting tool of sorts, or a larger cutter!
I will get to making some new ones soon (need more .156" rod)
Thank you for being honest!

Better?
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/24684996-964D-4C8A-89A7-2B27186DAD35-4688-000009757D73E170_zps6cbaae2c.jpg)

The "whole shop" is planned, now if I just live that long!
-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: michael mott on October 02, 2012, 12:20:16 PM
Very Nice Marty.
Michael


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on October 02, 2012, 06:02:27 PM
Marty,

Yes Marty...but can I nitpick more? ;0

This is one area I know something about so...here goes:

1. The ring under the "boat" shape should be dished down to fit the bottom of the boat shape, in reality it is a spherical shape but for the model I think a gentle angle would look good.

2. The bolt to tighten the tool should have a square head as should the wrench of course.  Square headed bolts were very commonly used back then, and even how the lantern tool post uses a square head bolt.

Minor details I know, but you are working at such a large scale that they will be noticeable(to me anyway!)

Thanks for your indulgence,

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: michael mott on October 02, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
Paul your observations are spot on, even the Southbend that I used at the university had the conditions you note, as does the Myford that I have now. with respect to the toolpost.
This is the wonderful thing about this site, the level of observation and great critical input to improve the level of the models, is the best on the web.

Michael


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 03, 2012, 06:02:38 AM
Damn,
I was hoping you wouldn't catch me on those two points!
Your right, I actually have thought about both items but thought I would try and get away with it! :-\ :-\ :-\
I will fix them, and THANKS for nitpicking!

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Barney on October 03, 2012, 07:26:15 AM
Blow your mind and go wild young man its looking good - this big stuff is pretty addictive
Barney


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 07, 2012, 11:20:44 AM
Well the construction phase is complete!
Thanks to "Mr. Potato Head" I was able to make a 4-Jaw chuck!! Thanks Gil!!
-Unless Paul catches any more of my mistakes!
(I'm beginning to hate square fasteners!)

Seriously though, speak now or forever hold your tongue!

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/FinishedAsseyfront.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/finishedAssyendview.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/FinishedAsseytop.jpg)

Now all I have to do is;
take it apart.
Paint it
put it back together
some chips, stains and swarf
And build a building to put it all in!

I had the three machines out and together, can not wait for the lathe to be painted and take a "family photo"!

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on October 07, 2012, 02:10:39 PM
Not too bad. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: artizen on October 07, 2012, 04:13:56 PM
And not a Lego block to be seen!

Wonderful modelling.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on October 08, 2012, 05:43:15 AM
OK Marty you asked for it!

The carriage hand wheel is too small! I'd say about 1.5 to 2 times bigger would be about right. Plus it needs a knob on it.
A lot of older lathes didn't have a round wheel type, but used a similar style knob as the cross feed knob. See my pic attached. Pic is at Greenfield Village shop.

Also you will need the 4 jaw wrench and the wrench for the toolpost. Plus other junk like strap clamps for the faceplate and such.

I love this project, and can't wait to see more!

Best,

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 08, 2012, 06:00:23 AM
Thanks Paul!
I am planning on the wrench for the chuck!
I had a (similar to the pic) crank but liked the handwheel better, I'll see what I can come up with!
As this is older may be I will go back to the cross bar crank, also easier to make! ;D
Also looks like I need some screws on the side of the tool post slide.
This is a great picture, wish I had seen it a month ago!  ;)

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on October 08, 2012, 06:42:22 AM
-MJ

Knobs handles whatever.  Another excellent machine.
Looking forward to your painting it.

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Chuck Doan on October 08, 2012, 08:39:25 AM
Nice! The only thing that really stands out to me is the main carriage wheel seems too small. Should have more leverage. Minor qualm.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: 5thwheel on October 08, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
Great job but I suggest you really beef up the cross slide and compound.  If this were a real lathe it would chatter and probably break a lot of tool bits.  The cross slide should be much thicker and longer,  The compound should not sit on top of the tower but down on the cross slide.  The distance from bed to center should be taken up by combination of cross slide and compound thickness plus some of the tool post lantern as in Paul's last picture. This will be a nice looking lathe when finished and painted.  Keep up the good work.

Bill


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 09, 2012, 09:51:15 AM
Thanks guys, just wish I had known sooner my carriage was lacking.<bang head>
Currently in the process of beefing it up, I hope I dont have to start over......

Been looking at old lathes and their parts.
Found a good site if anyone else is interested;

http://shopswarf.orconhosting.net.nz/olndex.html (http://shopswarf.orconhosting.net.nz/olndex.html)

Technical info and what look like old catalog images.

More soon,
Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 11, 2012, 03:31:31 PM
Thanks to Paul and Bill I have made the necesary improvements to the cross slide.
Also the carriage feed ( not shown).

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/BC297CE1-9F4B-42C4-B97B-18C7762D9ACB-5342-000008D723B73FD7.jpg)

I appreciate the feedback. Hopefully I am near to paint now.
More soon.
Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Design-HSB on October 11, 2012, 03:50:05 PM
Hello Marty,
have you ever considered one of your magnificent machines to build functional?


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: 5thwheel on October 11, 2012, 04:42:09 PM
Marty, that looks believable.  Good job.

Bill


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on October 12, 2012, 05:19:50 AM
Marty,

That looks good.  Are you planning on having a job set up in it?

Can't wait to see it painted!

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Chuck Doan on October 12, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
And of course you should have a steady rest... ;)


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 12, 2012, 07:09:08 PM
Damn you Doan, damn you!  ;)
Actuall am planning one just not 100% sure how to fabricate it.
I am planning on having a job in it,
Kind of whete I was going with the rod in it.
Really just want to get this thing on paint - soon!
Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: k27rgs on October 12, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
Time for me to stop lurking and say

"Man !!!...  What a masterpiece"

          Hope your Workshop structure and all machines are complete by October 2013   ???

  cheers mate

   "M"


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 18, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
The "refined" carriage & cross slide.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/carriageredo.jpg)

Now (hopefully) I can get on to coloring..........

Mario
Thanks!
Are you coming to Florida in October 2013?

-Marty



Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Malachi Constant on October 18, 2012, 04:12:19 PM
Good gravy!  A banquet for the eyeballs!  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on October 19, 2012, 01:36:15 AM
Marty, what he really means is that your lathe is heinously disgusting in its superiority. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: TRAINS1941 on October 19, 2012, 08:38:52 AM
The "refined" carriage & cross slide.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/carriageredo.jpg)

Now (hopefully) I can get on to coloring..........

Mario
Thanks!
Are you coming to Florida in October 2013?

-Marty


I was wondering where the paint was myself!!!!!

Jerry



Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 19, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
Wow, even without paint it looks like you could actually use it!



Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 21, 2012, 02:50:09 PM
Initial pre-shading, coloring, base colors and some pigments.
Still lots more to do.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/944F9697-41EF-4E7C-B2F6-8968E9D300D2-410-000000260D6486F1.jpg)

Marty
- it has been a productive weekend!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on October 21, 2012, 03:01:07 PM
Wowsers. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: SandiaPaul on October 21, 2012, 03:06:37 PM
Nice!
Glad to see the compound swung around to this angle.

This make me want to do a project like this...not enough time!

Paul


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Mr Potato Head on October 21, 2012, 03:11:38 PM
Hey Wait! You’re a photographer! No way that's a model! No way! :o :o :o :o
MPH


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Design-HSB on October 21, 2012, 04:25:25 PM
Hi Marty,

just perfect, some chips for decoration and it does not get better.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 21, 2012, 06:07:58 PM
in-freaking-credible! Not even finished and already it looks fantastic!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Malachi Constant on October 21, 2012, 11:42:45 PM
Oooooooh!  It's really nice to see all the construction shots along the way ... likewise, this is a great step in the next direction.  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Chuck Doan on October 22, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
Now it comes together.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 22, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
Thanks everyone!
I'm surprised at all the hoo-hah.
Only three (visible) colors; grey, steel & old rust/dust.
The handles, some other colors, grease & oil should really bring it to life!
Oh, and a steady rest  ;)
-Mj


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Mobilgas on October 22, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
Oooooooh !!!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: finescalerr on October 22, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaah! -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Frederic Testard on October 22, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
What a beauty, Marty! And with three colors only. You are the Anti Warhol of scratchbuilding!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: EZnKY on October 22, 2012, 05:32:23 PM
Looks great!  It takes skill to transform styrene into miniature steel - thus the hoo-hah...


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: Wesleybeks on October 23, 2012, 06:20:41 AM
Just fantastic. WOW


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 23, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Thanks guys!
I guess I should show how I do my "steel" really quite simple and using different base colors yields different colors/sheen.
I whip something up over the weekend.
Mj


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: k27rgs on October 23, 2012, 10:16:53 AM
My girlfriend reckons I talk too much

BUT

   I'm "speechless".....

    Congrats mate on a masterclass model.

     I need to be around long enough for the "structure"

 Stop stuffing around............. ;D


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16
Post by: lab-dad on October 28, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
Ta' Da'

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/DSC_6477.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/DSC_6488.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/DSC_6480.jpg)

Special thanks to Paul and Bill for their observation of the carriage/tool post issues.
It is now way to late to fix any errors!  ;)
Please note the chuck wrench, steady rest will come someday.

And one of the whole family;

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/lab-dad-jones/familyphoto.jpg)

The backdrop in this shot was a piece of 20" x 28" posterboard, that's why they are so close together!
Working on the wall molds now.
Next up is the grinder & hacksaw, then a universal miller and then another lathe & drill press.
And of course all the other crap!~

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: eTraxx on October 28, 2012, 09:24:29 AM
Man. You are ONE SCARY MODELER! .. I mean that in a good way ..  8)


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: Ray Dunakin on October 28, 2012, 09:45:47 AM
Awesome prototype pics! Nice show us the model.   ;)

Great job!


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: Andi Little on October 28, 2012, 09:55:11 AM
O,M,G,! .... Simply sublime. Stunning - simply stunning. The subject matter alone is fantastic, but the execution is just amazing - such feeling and empathy with the originals - superlatives are not enough.

Bloody marvellous.


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: Barney on October 28, 2012, 10:32:24 AM
I agree with everything - everyone  has said it all but I will add an extra WOW and fantastic. Stuff x 2 just for the hell of it - keep it coming its just great.
Barney


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: billmart on October 28, 2012, 10:45:31 AM
Not much to say that hasn't already been said, but I am just blown away by your lathe. 

Bill Martinsen


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: finescalerr on October 28, 2012, 01:04:17 PM
One of your very best efforts. Most satisfactory. -- Russ


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: TRAINS1941 on October 28, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
Charlie would be extremely proud of you.  You did him real proud Mr. Jones.  Just another excellent example of your work.

Jerry


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: Scratchman on October 28, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
Marty, it doesn't get much better than that. Nice job on all three.

Gordon Birrell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318580@N00/


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: Malachi Constant on October 28, 2012, 03:14:46 PM
I'm just gonna keep looking at the pictures over and over ... maybe figure out what to say some other time!  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: 5thwheel on October 28, 2012, 04:01:36 PM
Marty, That is one nice looking lathe.  Well done.

Bill


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: danpickard on October 28, 2012, 10:26:08 PM
Nice shot of the happy family Marty.  Excellent results for the time invested.  I certainly look forward to the rest of the machinery group and the housing for it all.

Cheers,
Dan


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: michael mott on October 30, 2012, 11:13:24 AM
Marty, there are not any superlatives left for me to use!  if you were to have Photoshopped that lathe into a machine shop it would be nigh on impossible to tell it was not full size.

Beautiful craftsmanship.

Michael


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: lab-dad on October 30, 2012, 12:51:47 PM
Thanks Everyone!

Michael,
The plan is to build the machine shop then take pictures and fool everyone!
No photoshop needed! (hopefully!)
Thanks!

-Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: finescalerr on October 30, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
Marty, I don't know what these guys are raving about. I think the lathe turned out really badly. Maybe you should just give it to me to ridicule and build a new one .... -- ssuR


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: lab-dad on October 30, 2012, 04:46:36 PM
Russ,
You can have it to copy only if you make one four
times as big(like I did) and completely out of paper!
Let me know.
Marty


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: Malachi Constant on October 30, 2012, 06:28:39 PM
Russ,
You can have it to copy only if you make one four
times as big(like I did) and completely out of paper!
Let me know.
Marty

Dang, that's tougher than the on-going broom challenge!  8)  -- Dallas


Title: Re: 24 inch Engine Lathe in 1/16 (Finished!)
Post by: lab-dad on October 31, 2012, 06:04:32 AM
That reminds me, I need some brooms for my machine shop!
 ;) :D ;D :o :-X