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Title: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 01, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
Links and info about scenic materials.

This is intended as a group effort, so feel free to add more links to better-quality scenic materials! Lets try to Keep this pretty tight on topic and subject, as a reference location, and review of the material or vendor if you have used them/it. I will try and consolidate posts/info wherever I can..so if your on topic post/link vanishes or is modified, it was likely consolidated into another post with a sim topic/material.

Manufacturers:
A lot of the sites are international, if you want, you can search Ebay for 1/35 leaves, plants, vines, flowers, etc., to give you an idea what's out there.  Then find the maker's name to search for on-line vendors.

Plus Model (laser cut paper leaves sized for 1/35 scale, and a wide variety of diorama accessories):
http://www.plusmodel.cz/index.php

Joefix Studio's (a variety of natural and manufactured scenicing materials)
http://www.joefix-studio.be/producten.asp?taal=UK&groep=100

Hudson & Allen Studio] (a variety of natural and manufactured scenicing materials, as well as diorama accessories)
http://www.hudsonandallen.com/

Diorama materials Inc. (a variety of natural  scenicing materials)
http://www.dioramaterials.com/dioramaterials_entry.html

Aber (photo etched metal sets of plants and vines with all the leaves on the vines, ready to twist and paint, as well as a variety of PE diorama details):
http://www.aber.net.pl/

Eduard Model Accessories (photo etched metal sets of plants and vines with all the leaves on the vines, ready to twist and paint, as well as a variety of PE diorama details):
http://www.eduard.cz/

Fredericus Rex ( the "Green Line landscaping"  products for laser-cut paper leaves, plants, etc.):
http://www.fredericus-rex.de/shop2010/Green-Line-scenery/

Model-Scene (a variety of manufactured scenery materials)
http://www.model-scene.com/index_eng.html

Kamizukuri (laser-cut paper leaves, plants, etc.):
http://www.kamizukuri.jp/

Jadar-Model (laser cut paper palm leaves, rose bushes, and sunflowers)
http://www.jadarhobby.pl/jadarmodel-135-c-19_753.html

PART (photo-etched fern and other PE diorama accessories)
http://www.part.pl/

Army Painter (manufactured ground covering)
http://usshop.thearmypainter.com/products.php?ProductGroupId=3

Noch (a wide variety of manufactured scenery and landscaping materials):
http://www.noch.de/en/

Silflor (a variety of manufactured mats and ground cover):
www.

Mini-Natur (a wide variety of manufactured scenery and landscaping materials):
http://www.mininatur.de/silhouette_home.php?lang=en

Heki  (a wide variety of manufactured scenery and landscaping materials):
http://www.heki-kittler.de/

Woodland Scenics (a wide variety of manufactured scenery and landscaping materials):
http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/index.cfm

Arizona Rock & Mineral Company (a wide range of soil &rock ground covering, as well ass ballast for multiple scales)
http://www.rrscenery.com/Photos/index/Links/AZROCK5.html

JTT Tree (a variety of manufactured scenery materials and and ready-made architectural and scenic trees)
http://www.jttmicroscale.com/index.asp



Distributors/Suppliers/On-Line Shops:

Scenic Express (they have a downloadable catalog as well)
http://www.scenicexpress.com/

Michigan Toy soldier
http://www.michtoy.com/

Great Models
http://www.greatmodels.com/

Jadar-Hobbies
http://www.jadarhobby.pl/index.php?language=en

HobbyLink
http://www.hlj.com/

Modellers Warehouse
www.modellers-warehouse.com.au


Here are a few websites to waste some time on .
www.barrule.com (Antenociti's Workshop)
www.scalelink.co.uk
www.polakmodel.com
www.realityinscale.com
www.accurate-armour.com (look in products , then Armour Distribution , then modelling supplies, then in Model Finishing )

Again, please feel free to add more links, photos, etc for those interested in premium scenic materials.

Wouldn't hurt to add links for Marcel Ackle, Gilbert Gribi, etc.

Diorama construction can be taken to the very limits with these sorts of things. Or, one could build a layout with pockets of intense scenic detail and, well, never finish it?



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: narrowgauger on April 01, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Don't forget dried birch tree seeds as an endless source of leaves.

These can also be dyed with various fabric dyes to create "green" leaves, or individually painted with acrylics to create a variety of colors.  All perfect for 35th scale and bigger

These have been used to great effect by many modelers.  If you don't have a local source (ie, nature), they're available packaged from 'Joefix Studios', and 'Hudson & Allen Studios' (see mfr list in first post).


Have Fun,

Bernard


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on April 01, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
(http://images9.fotki.com/v120/photos/5/15405/9603907/Scan10159A-vi.jpg)

There are various sources for photo-etched plant material with a growing selection ... and now our own Ken Hamilton is producing some too.  Set shown above is intended as a 1/24 vine, but also suitable for 1/35 scale, etc.  

See this thread for additional photos:  http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=1394.0

Wildhare Models site:  http://www.wildharemodels.com/
(Vines are not on the site at time of this writing, but Ken will get to it!)  ;)

An example of the vines in use:

(http://images9.fotki.com/v120/photos/1/15405/3467729/P4060003-vi.jpg)

(http://images45.fotki.com/v148/photos/1/15405/3467729/P4060006-vi.jpg)




Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on April 02, 2011, 03:54:05 AM
This link will give you details of the different methods that I have used for preserving natural/real plants.

http://www.thegardener.btinternet.co.uk/preserving.html

FWIW, my views:

Air Drying, works well with most vegetation but you need to plan ahead as it takes time - I have "sealed " plants after drying with light sprays of varnish.

Glycerine, again works well and the colour change helps indicate when process is completed - again takes time and I have had issues with "glycerine bleed" afterwards.

Desiccants, forget it unless you are sealing your model up after completion - even spraying with a varnish does not seem to stop plant re-absorbing moisture from the air.

Pressing, works well just visit a good natural history museum to see but not come across a use for it in modelling.

Microwave, my favourite due to speed and ease of use. You do need to experiment as there is a fine line between drying out the plant material so that it is still slightly pliable and drying it out to such an extent that it crumbles to dust when you touch it !



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: jacq01 on April 02, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
ScaleLink has photo-etched leaves etc in various scales

N-Scale
http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage_1_152_1_160_Feuillage_N.html (http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage_1_152_1_160_Feuillage_N.html)

HO-Scalehttp://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage___Scale_1_60_to_1_100___Feuillage_HO.html (http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage___Scale_1_60_to_1_100___Feuillage_HO.html)

1/32-Scale
http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Scale_1_32_Foliage.html (http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Scale_1_32_Foliage.html)

1/12-Scale
http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage___Scale_1_12__Dolls_House____Maison_Poupee.html (http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage___Scale_1_12__Dolls_House____Maison_Poupee.html)


Jacq


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 02, 2011, 02:34:14 PM
Treemendus (UK mfr of handmade scenery materials.)
http://www.treemendusmodels.co.uk/



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 02, 2011, 05:46:51 PM
J's Work  ( manufacturer of paper plants)

  www.jsworkmodel.com


Diorama Materials  ( natural materials used for plants and flowers)

  www.dioramaterials.com


 UK Distributors for GreenLine/Fredericus Rex  

   www.abcmodelsport.co.uk

   www.skminiatures.co.uk


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 02, 2011, 06:17:44 PM
Warning this is not an April Fool ...or is it ?

 Here is something that will be of interest to bald men who can't afford a Noch Grassmaster and can't be bothered to make their own out of a tennis racket fly swat and tea strainer .
  I saw an ad on the TV for this earlier in the year and fell about laughing until I realised that what is was selling is no different to laying static grass . Just a different colour .
  
 www.nanogen.co.uk


   You saw it here first .


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 08, 2011, 03:21:32 PM
FWIW, just a quick product review/info. (these are just my opinions and impressions):

I received part of a large order of scenery materials I made with Michigan Toy Soldier today, included there-in were the following that might be of interest:

'Green Line/Fredericus-Rex' #GL-200 Grass (Length 100mm) http://www.fredericus-rex.de/shop2010/images/product_images/popup_images/gl-200.jpg (http://www.fredericus-rex.de/shop2010/images/product_images/popup_images/gl-200.jpg), and 'Diorama Materials (DMI)' #MDO3 Shrubs http://www.dioramaterials.com/images_general/dioramaindex/indexshrubs6.jpg (http://www.dioramaterials.com/images_general/dioramaindex/indexshrubs6.jpg); these two items appear to be the same natural plant material. The GL/FR material is a bit larger and thicker (more mature) than the DMI material (though despite being labled as 100mm, mine scales out to 90mm; the DMI scales out to 80mm) they could both be used independently or in conjunction with eachother to represent a wider variety of plant size. IMO the GL/FR is too large/coarse for use in 1/48 or smaller, whereas the DMI could be used as tall river or pond reeds/plants in 1/48. The GL/FR material came packaged in a clear vacuformed unibox which generally prevents the material from becoming smahed or damaged, where-as the DMI came in a small clear zip-loc bag which is much more susceptible to bending and crushing, so depending on your shipper/packer/retailer you can expect some damage...this is not necessarily bad, as you would probably do some of this "resizing" of the material yourself for use in your scenes.) Both materials come in a nutural yellow/brown dried plant color, and could be used as is, or painted with acrylics via airbrush, or wet-painting.

'Diorama Materials (DMI)' #MD03 Real Grass http://www.dioramaterials.com/images_general/dioramaindex/indexrealgrass03%20.jpg (http://www.dioramaterials.com/images_general/dioramaindex/indexrealgrass03%20.jpg);  This material was a pleasant surprise, and I found it quite neat. It does seem to be some form of very fine fiber/grass material, in a natural yellow/brown (dried grass) color. As it is a natural material, it has non of the "sheen" issues that synthetic grass material has. This is packaged in a clear zip-loc bag. The fibers run a range of lengths but seems to max out at 8mm. I see this material as being really useful for applications such as where grass is mixed with mud (IE armor treads, or truck and tractor wheels), or where dried grass/plant material would accumulate on, or around,  structures, railcars, equipment, in corners, or any other place where debris would occur. I personally don't see this as being useable for any type of upright/standing grass as the fibers are are small, very random, and looseley packed, so it would be tough to get any semblance of continuous vertical "growth" over any area. I see this as easily being used for scales 1/48 and larger (the smaller/crushed/broken pieces in the bag would probably even work in 1/72...or as shown in the image as hay and such in 1/87). It could also be mixed with leaves and other plant debris to form a more diverse and convincing mix/appearance in a scene.

....if interested, I can post info on other items.

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on April 08, 2011, 07:19:32 PM
FWIW, just a quick product review/info. (these are just my opinions and impressions):

....if interested, I can post info on other items.

Marc

Yes, please!  There are a lot of these items that (a) seem very interesting but (b) are accompanied by crappy little photos and minimal descriptions ... so your "actual" impressions should prove quite helpful.  As you know already, it gets expensive accumulating a good asst. of these things, so any that are an obvious "pass" help control the expense.  Thanks for the notes/effort!   Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: eTraxx on April 08, 2011, 07:29:10 PM
Followed the link for Real Grass back to this tutorial ..
http://www.dioramaterials.com/dioramaterials/realgrass/realgrass_use/realgrass_use.html

.. and pics of the Shrubs from DMI
http://www.dioramaterials.com/dioramaterials/shrubs/shrubs_gallery/shrubs_gallery.htm

Hmmm. I could use some river reeds ...


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 09, 2011, 12:52:12 AM
In the image below, are shown two products by Hudson & Allen Studios, on the left is #9403 “Forest Litter”, and on the right is #9993 “Woodland Debris”; In both, the leaf litter is represented by Birch seeds. The major difference other than a slight variation of the color of the seeds (the FL runs a slight bit more yellow/red/natural, while the WD, runs more yellow/brown/natural; I don’t know if this due to natural variation of the seeds/batch, due to mfr. coloring, or due to the additional material in the WD altering ones perception), is that the Forest Litter is almost entirely seeds, with a small amount of fine brown detritus, whereas the Woodland Debris has more brown detritus, as well as some what appears to be pieces/strands of green moss, and fine green detritus, mixed in. Though the two are visually different, I don’t feel it is necessarily enough to warrant buying both (unless you wanted to for the sake of expediency) I would say that you can just easily purchase only the Forest Litter, which would give you the flexibility of using it as is, or use it as a base to mix in your own small detritus to create the look/mix/coloring you want or need for your scene. IMO, this material is most effective in scales of 1/35 to 1/20.  It could work at 1/16-1/12 as small leaves depending on application; and it could work in 1/48, though one should take care to remove the larger and obviously out of scale “leaves”.

For me personally, the green moss fibers/strands in the Woodland Debris, are too strong in color, and an odd visual form/piece that draws the eye. I would have a hard time trying to figure out something they would represent (IE in the real world)....and would end up picking them out with tweezers before applying the material.

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 09, 2011, 01:35:29 AM
Marc,

   Thanks for spending the time reviewing those products . It will help the rest of us separate the "wheat from the chaff" , so to speak .

  I agree with you about having to pick out the bright green bits in the woodland debris shot . I also would want to crush up all of the birch seeds as they look like what they are , birch seeds . I have used them once on my 1/24th scale mine portal diorama as ivy leaves , but I wouldn't use them for that again . To me they would only be of use crushed up and used as leaf litter .  However , I can understand why they might be more popular than the Plus Models and Green Scene leaves , as they are dirt cheap in comparison . But as in most things in life , you gets what you pay for .

  Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 09, 2011, 01:44:43 AM
Lets talk Fine Scenery foam:

In the materials that arrived today was a container of [b[Gale Force #GFS-010 “Flock Blend; Spring Undergrowth”[/b] This is a fine ground foam groundcover is sim, but just a very slight bit coarser in texture/grain to what is sold by Woodland Scenics as “fine turf”, and JTT Tree as “fine”. The material comes in a round, clear hard plastic, lidded container. Care needs to be taken when opening it, for as with any fine turf some it invariably ends up spilling or glomming itself onto whatever is in the immediate vicinity.  ;D  The gale Force Material (blend) basically has two components; the core/body of fine green colored turf, and an extremely fine reddish and beige, with the occasional white fleck, foam admixture. The color admixture is effective and does add some variation to the green base (the green base color material seems to be almost the same as the JTT Trees #TU-1064 “Burnt Grass”). Without dumping it all out for comparison, visually the Gale Force container ($3.99) appears to contain about 1/3 or less than the amount of material as one gets in the standard Woodland Scenics or JTT Trees bags, however, I think that for the that cost, it is worth having as an alternative material to enhance areas and add some variation to the otherwise typical monochromatic fine ground foams, especially when working in the smaller scales. I don’t use a lot of fine ground foam in the larger scales, such as 1/48 and up, other than to use it as mossy growth, or apply it to random grass/plant fibers to give some texture and represent small “leaves” on weeds, but the Gale F material would be a good material option for this as well.  

IMO The Gale Force #GFS-010, would work as a good compliment to the Woodland Scenics "Burnt Grass" #T44, and the JTT Trees "Burnt Grass" #TU1064


Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 09, 2011, 01:52:52 AM
Nick,

Mon Plaisir. I agree with you about the Birch seeds appearing as what they are, however, I also feel there is a draw-back to using the true laser cut leaf shapes such as those from Plus Model. I really like the PM type leaves, and I think they are great for enhancing detail areas or for the one or two odd leaves laying on a scenic element, however (cost aside) having a whole large area/swath of perfect laser cut leaves seems very strange/jarring and unnatural to me. How often foes one see a whole area of perfect whole leaves laying around in real life? ;D This is where I feel the Birch seeds have a bit of an advantage, as you point out, they can be crushed and broken thus creating a more random and natural look of leaf debris......I think maybe a carefully mixing/blending of the two would be worth trying.


Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 09, 2011, 02:13:06 AM
I was trying to find and add the company link for JTT to my previous post, when browsing through their website I ran across this material for "leaves".

"CHOPPED FALLING LEAVES"
http://www.jttmicroscale.com/viewproductdetail.asp?id=84 (http://www.jttmicroscale.com/viewproductdetail.asp?id=84)

(http://www.jttmicroscale.com/imgcategory/Falling-Leaves.jpg)


The product comes in three grades fine/med/coarse. I wonder what it is made of. Would be interested in getting my hands on some of this, or finding store that stocks it, so I could see it. Might be a good option to the seed issue.

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on April 09, 2011, 03:20:57 AM
There are a couple of local shops that carry the JTT stuff.  The ready-made trees are so-so.  I'll probably pass one of those shops in the next week or so and will look to see if they have the chopped leaf stuff.  See how it looks & pick up a sample if it looks decent in person.

BTW ... direct link doesn't seem to work, but it gets you to their web site ... if you enter "chopped" in the search box, you'll get there.

-- Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 09, 2011, 08:07:43 AM
Nick,

Mon Plaisir. I agree with you about the Birch seeds appearing as what they are, however, I also feel there is a draw-back to using the true laser cut leaf shapes such as those from Plus Model. I really like the PM type leaves, and I think they are great for enhancing detail areas or for the one or two odd leaves laying on a scenic element, however (cost aside) having a whole large area/swath of perfect laser cut leaves seems very strange/jarring and unnatural to me. How often foes one see a whole area of perfect whole leaves laying around in real life? ;D This is where I feel the Birch seeds have a bit of an advantage, as you point out, they can be crushed and broken thus creating a more random and natural look of leaf debris......I think maybe a carefully mixing/blending of the two would be worth trying.


Marc



  Marc,


 Being the tight fisted sort that I am ,I would be reluctant to use many of the PM or GS leaves as litter . As you say a mixture of the two would probably work well , with the PM ones being individually glued onto a base of crushed birch seeds giving an impression that they are all from the same tree(s). I prefer to use the PM leaves as they were intended and on the trees . I have only done two saplings , so far, in this way , but I think with care it is possible to make them look pretty good . Maybe the next one I do I'll get right !

  Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bexley on April 09, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
The product comes in three grades fine/med/coarse. I wonder what it is made of.

Based on the look and name, I'd guess it's actually chopped up dead leaves.

Skullcrafts (http://www.skullcrafts.com/leaf_scatter.htm) is another source of birch catkin "leaves." The price seems a little high, but I believe the seeds are already removed.




Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: DaKra on April 10, 2011, 05:50:11 PM
Lou Sassi, in his first book on MRR scenery described a method for making forest litter using a blender and a slurry of leaves and water.  Results were very realistic, and looks like the JTT bagged stuff.   There is a considerable convenience factor of using commercial product!  I really like Lou's book by the way, IMHO the best of the Kalmbach scenery books.

And I hope there will be no objection to a shameless plug.  I offer laser cut flowers in four colors.   
About .05 and .06" diameter for medium flowers in HO and small ones in O.

http://vectorcut.com/accessoriesHO.htm

(http://www.vectorcut.com/images/flowers.jpg)
(http://www.vectorcut.com/images/flowers8.jpg)

Dave


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Junior on April 11, 2011, 07:49:58 AM
Those little flowers can be seen outside the small building of the Krakow Auto Co.

Anders ;)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 12, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
A short little photo SBS on using The JoeFix Studios "Ivy" set (natural vines w/ Birch seed leaves), by Belgian modeller Nico Blomme.

http://thedioramaworld.blogspot.com/2011/02/quick-sbs-with-ivy-leafves.html (http://thedioramaworld.blogspot.com/2011/02/quick-sbs-with-ivy-leafves.html)


A pic of the result:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KnfIZK8HIys/TVEbtdUsiAI/AAAAAAAAAM0/ENWGeQ832DQ/s1600/B%2B073.jpg)

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 12, 2011, 09:44:44 PM
Very effective. Do you know what scale the model is? I wonder what he used for the yellow flowers.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 13, 2011, 01:47:53 AM
I'm going to be very rude here ,  but to me that looks at bit like a contribution to a nature table at an infants school . It looks like an example of " Kitchen sink" modelling ( where everything is thrown in , including the kitchen sink) which doesn't quite work . This may be rich coming from me , who is probably one of the worst offenders in this type of modelling , but I think he has got to many different types of foliage in this one small area .
   The dead grass looks to stiff and clumped un-naturally . The ears of corn/wheat/oats/barley looks like what they are and the birch seeds still look like birch seeds . And the gate post needs more work on it . Other than that , it looks great .

  I would also like to know what he used for the yellow flowers , as they do look good . I suspect they are laser cut paper .

  Having said all that , it is miles better than what most other modellers produce , but it isn't quite there yet .
  
   Am I being unduly critical here ?  Phone me on 1-234-5678 to let me know !

   Nick  

  


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 13, 2011, 02:42:10 AM
Sheesh Nick...I wasn't showing it for the rest of the scene....just to show the Fred-Rex ivy product. Put some blinders on man! ;) ;D

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 13, 2011, 05:58:20 AM
Sheesh Nick...I wasn't showing it for the rest of the scene....just to show the Fred-Rex ivy product. Put some blinders on man! ;) ;D

Marc

  Sorry , I'll shut up . I guess it is hanging around you for so long made me say it .

   Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: TRAINS1941 on April 13, 2011, 06:18:05 AM
Sheesh Nick...I wasn't showing it for the rest of the scene....just to show the Fred-Rex ivy product. Put some blinders on man! ;) ;D

Marc

  Sorry , I'll shut up . I guess it is hanging around you for so long made me say it .

   Nick

Nick there is an open corner!!!!! ;D


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: mabloodhound on April 13, 2011, 08:31:14 AM
Jeepers, I thought it all looked good.   So what do i know?   Link was helpful in seeing his work.
Nothing about the flowers, though. 8)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 13, 2011, 01:23:04 PM
Sheesh Nick...I wasn't showing it for the rest of the scene....just to show the Fred-Rex ivy product. Put some blinders on man! ;) ;D

Marc

  Sorry , I'll shut up . I guess it is hanging around you for so long made me say it .

   Nick

 

Nick there is an open corner!!!!! ;D

 I'm already in one of the other corners . Did you want me to move , or just stay where I am ?


  Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: W.P. Rayner on April 13, 2011, 02:10:25 PM
Stay away from my comfy chair... besides my corner's full now that a couple of Russ' thong-clad cuties are visiting...  ;)

Paul


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on April 13, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
Very effective. Do you know what scale the model is? I wonder what he used for the yellow flowers.


It looks like they might be the Fredericus Rex / Green-Line #201 flowers as shown here (last item):
http://www.milminwh.com/fred_rex_flowers.htm

Just ordered some of those a few days ago ... so I'll see if I can confirm that when the package arrives.  Meanwhile, checked the local shops that have JTT scenery spinners and neither of them has the chopped falling leaves.

Cheers,
Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 13, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
Dallas ,

   I have some of the Fred-'ex flowers and they are not the same as the one's in Marc's photos . Those are more delicate . I shall have a bit of a look around to see if there is anything that looks like they may be the ones ,

  Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on April 14, 2011, 02:07:02 PM
(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-01.jpg)   (http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-02.jpg)

Received a package from Military Miniatures Warehouse today (www.milminwh.com) -- very quick service.

(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-03.jpg)   (http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-04.jpg)

So, am I right?  Or still wrong?  These Green Line #201 Flowers look like they're the same as the ones in the photo that Marc posted on previous page ... well, they look the same to me!  ???   :)

(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-05.jpg)

There are a LOT of hideous loose ends here ... (yes, I know!) ... but this gives an idea of size in relation to figures.  Pay no heed to the chicken, she came across the road after hearing about a bricklayer.  ;D

(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-06.jpg)

The flowers vary in size, roughly 4-5mm ... this is about 10x actual size.

(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-07.jpg)   (http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-08.jpg)

Hope to use these in a flower bed along a fence ... essentially grass tufts with some sort of flower material added.  

(http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-09.jpg)   (http://www.bouldervalleymodels.com/images/fsrr/flowers-10.jpg)

Not sure what the flower material is ... not ground foam.  The (incomplete) grid marks on that rubber pad are 1" spacing ... so the enlargement here is at least 5x or 6x.

Cheers,
Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 14, 2011, 02:40:53 PM
Great pics and info, thanks Dallas. Will have to get myself both of those, they look quite useful to have on hand.

BTW. thanks for the TTL check; I too checked the TTL rack at the LHS and they didn't have the "leaves" either. I did pick up some of their "fine" medium green tree cover material. The color looks pretty bad in the box, but once spread out a bit, and maybe with some slight paint highlights/shading, could look pretty good for some things in 1/48 and up.....IMO not for trees, but for small vines and creeping/climbing weeds. The material seems to be finer ground and somewhat differently composed (mesh and foam assebly) than the Woodland Scenics stuff.  I will post a comparison pic.


Marc



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Ray Dunakin on April 14, 2011, 07:15:48 PM
Those tiny natural, dried flowers look great.

One of the great disadvantages of modeling outdoors is that almost all of the best scenic materials are unusable. Ground foams, fine fibers, and natural plant material all quickly decay.

The past few weeks I've been on a plant-making binge, trying to create enough mini plants to fill out some more areas of the layout. I've made hundreds of sagebrush, brittlebush, and other small shrubs. I've got over 75 ocotillos in the works, about a third of them finished. Also have several dozen cholla cacti in the works. Currently I'm sculpting a bunch of beavertail cacti. Those are the most trouble, as the entire plant must be sculpted from polyclay.




Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on April 15, 2011, 01:48:19 AM
Dallas ,

  The GL flowers I have got are the ones  you pictured last , GL-043 . I hadn't seen the GL-201s before . So alright , you are right . But so was I , up to a point . I shall see if I can get hold of some .

   Looks like I'm going to have to stock up on my scenery materials as I'm beginning to get out of touch with what is out there . This is worse than trying to keep up with the latest technology .

   Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on April 15, 2011, 12:44:51 PM
Thanks Nick -- Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going nuts, cuz the things in the two photos really "seemed" to look the same to me!   To add to the confusion, I didn't easily spot the #201 flowers on the Fred-Rex site, but saw them on a couple US sites ... ???

There IS a lot of stuff out there ... and some of the product photos and descriptions leave a lot to be desired, so think it's a good idea to continue this thread with both SOURCES of items and IN-HAND photos/reviews.  -- Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on April 30, 2011, 03:53:18 AM
The image below compares two types of "Foliage" fiber.

On the left is: JTT "Foliage Fiber Cluster" #95064 Light Green

On the right is: Woodland Scenics "Foliage" #F51 Light Green

Both items come in a plastic bag containg a compact wad of tangled fiber with attached foam bits.  When tearing of a small piece and then sort of stretching/feathering it (as in the photo) both lose a lot of the little foam pieces that are atached to the fiber strands, however in the packet I have the WS product definitely loses more. The WS pieces also seem to be coarser and clustered more, whereas the JTT pieces seem to be smaller/finer and more spread out/lacey along the strands. As per the image, the JTT fibers are also finer than the WS strands.

The JTT product color borders a bit towards the "too green"/garish, whereas the WS leansheavily towards an "olive green" shade. IMO, when using, both of these can benefit from some shading/coloring with paints to modify their colors or highlight surfaces/areas (though painting/shading should be done carefully as the foam could be blown off with to much pressure from an AB, or stick to a brush with paint on it.)

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: jacq01 on June 01, 2011, 09:11:13 AM
     Marcel pointed out these books when discussing my 1:35 start last weekend.
      
    http://www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/72/374 (http://www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/72/374)

    http:// www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/73/510 (http://www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/73/510)  

    Highly recommended.

    Jacq


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bexley on June 02, 2011, 10:35:35 PM
Just ordered both books.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on June 03, 2011, 12:09:02 AM
Hmm...the bottom link doesn't seem to work on any of my computers.


M


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: jacq01 on June 03, 2011, 01:32:06 AM
  
Quote
the bottom link doesn't seem to work on any of my computers.

   Now it should be ok.

   Also found following for all sorts of flowers and plants :  http://miniatures.about.com/od/dollhouseminiatures/tp/miniplants.htm (http://miniatures.about.com/od/dollhouseminiatures/tp/miniplants.htm)
   The roses in 1:48 look very good. Also very useful for the larger scales.


   Jacq


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 03, 2011, 01:32:34 PM
Jacq --

Thanks for the various links ... that section on Miniatures at about.com has some good fabric & wallpaper downloads, etc. too.

Cheers,
Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: jacq01 on June 10, 2011, 04:01:36 AM
 
    The 2 books are in.  Highly recommended   
    It is not a guide how to build the samples shown, instead it is full of SBS for various situations, terrain and vegetation using simple materials and tools.

    Jacq

   


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Mr Potato Head on June 10, 2011, 10:08:27 AM
I ordered mine from his website and it took PayPal and was easy. The currency was in Hungarian so that threw me for a loop, because my currency conversion was not fluent in Hun money, but it worked out to about $50.00 for the pair. He asked why he was getting so many hits and orders. I told him about this site and Unc’s Rag and suggested that he should advertise in the Annuals! You can send my commission any time Unc!
MPH
Did you know? The Spanish word “esposa” means “wife” the plural “esposas” means “wives” but also can be translated to “handcuffs” ! think about it,…………


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on June 10, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
I just ordered a copy of each from Ian Allan Publishing in the UK . It would seem they have plenty in stock . Hopefully with me on Tuesday or Wednesday ,

       Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on June 10, 2011, 11:50:27 AM
Snap ;)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Andi Little on June 11, 2011, 01:35:56 AM
Me too! - need all the help I can get - if only to hang onto you blokes coat tails.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Mr Potato Head on June 18, 2011, 11:45:40 AM
I got my copies yesterday and it was a quick read. The pictures are great and the SBS very helpful. It translates well into English, I was worried about that? I wish the size was a little larger, and that it was spiral bound, so it would lay flat. The techniques look very doable , I can’t wait to try the etched stone method. He says to take Styrofoam (insulating  foam  the blue or pink stuff) and cut it into stone size shapes, then glue it on your walls and then “attack it” with  chemicals like lacquer using a cotton swab to “burn” or melt the foam leaving a very convincing stone face. He Also uses common cheap toilet paper and white glue or wallpaper paste to add texture to Styrofoam surfaces to give them “tooth” and make them easy to stain, like cast plaster walls. There is a lot of stuff in these little books.
MPH
FYI
Alligators swallow rocks to dive deeper!


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: eTraxx on June 18, 2011, 11:58:33 AM
The blue styrofoam is excellent for a lot of things .. bricks in larger scales as Don Railton did. Marc Resser followed up with a SBS on this forum using that method. The foam itself can be distressed simply by roughly tearing and scraping the surface followed by latex base color, AI washes, powdered tempera and so on ..

(http://images9.fotki.com/v120/photos/2/1709102/9661585/Image23-vi.jpg)

SBS on styrofoam rocks (http://www.etraxx.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on December 21, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-XW4YRBZT.jpg)

Reality-in-Scale has announced a variety of new items, including several new plant & flower offerings.  Saw their announcement on the Gn15 Forum here:
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=8127&highlight=

Web site here:
http://www.realityinscale.com/


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 12, 2012, 02:52:39 PM
Has anyone tried the Noch leaf flakes? I would be using them in O scale and was just curious what they look like up close.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 12, 2012, 11:39:35 PM
Chuck --

Troels Kirk has used a lot of the Noch leaf flake to make tress on his Coast Line RR ... so have a peek at the (extensive) threads over on the RR Line forum ... for example:
http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34468&whichpage=46

Meanwhile, is this close enough?   Cutting mat has 1" grid.  Pencil has weird notch in tip from rubbing graphite on the rails, but otherwise an ordinary #2.  ;D

Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 12, 2012, 11:43:15 PM
There may be some variation in leaf size between batches or colors or whatever is going on there ....


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 12, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
Mininatur makes a variety of leaf stuff on tufts and on some spongy material that can be spread out to make trees and bushes.  I think Anders used a good bit of that on his 1/35 salvage yard dio ... saw one of the other modeling guys shaking, brushing or otherwise separating individual leaves from the material ... at a glance, it seems their leaf shapes may be more pleasing (and they actually have DIFFERENT shapes for different types of trees, etc, including accurate ivy shapes.) -- Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 12, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
Closer close-up of the Noch leaves ...


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 13, 2012, 07:52:13 AM
Wow, Dallas, thanks very much! It's hard to get an idea from the tiny catalog web page pictures. I appreciate it! I like the Minitur stuff, looks pretty good I might try the scraping idea too.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: eTraxx on June 13, 2012, 08:34:00 AM
Here's some Noch leaves .. I was experimenting day before yesterday .. (suggestions for a macro lens for my Nikon D3000?)

On a 'tree' (experimental wire and polyester and static grass)
(http://images108.fotki.com/v613/photos/2/1709102/9724207/tree-vi.jpg)

On some grayish-polyester
(http://images12.fotki.com/v532/photos/2/1709102/9724207/poly_1-vi.jpg)

(http://images21.fotki.com/v516/photos/2/1709102/9724207/poly_2-vi.jpg)

Looking at the rock .. gotta say .. DANG IT .. the lens makes 'globs' of plaster SO obvious. Man. This is my On30 layout .. to put in perspective for leaf size.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 13, 2012, 08:49:38 AM
Thanks Ed! Looking good, I like dead leaves you did too. Your close-up pics look good to me. Looks like I am going to need a loan to get enough different stuff though.

Dallas do you know if that is the Silflor Horsetail foilage? The dang website pictures are so small and they have a lot of varieties. Pictures like you all are posting would be so nice to see on thier website especially for the money they get.



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 01:03:18 PM
Thanks Ed! Looking good, I like dead leaves you did too. Your close-up pics look good to me. Looks like I am going to need a loan to get enough different stuff though.

Agreed!  Ed's photos look great ... and the damn stuff is expensive!  :o  :-\

Dallas do you know if that is the Silflor Horsetail foilage? The dang website pictures are so small and they have a lot of varieties. Pictures like you all are posting would be so nice to see on thier website especially for the money they get.

Oh, another photo assignment, eh?  ;D  Okay, well I only have a sum total of five packs of the MiniNatur / Silflor stuff ... NOPE ... none of these are the horsetail, so I can't help you there until my loan comes in.  :P

First up:  #725-21S Tufts with leafs / spring

These correspond to MN72521S on Scenic Express page here:
http://www.sceneryexpress.com/products.asp?dept=1041&pagenumber=1&sort_on=&sort_by=

Pretty sure these are the same as what's shown in front of the pile of bricks on Anders lovely dump site!  ;)



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
More MiniNatur photos, continued from previous page ...

Same thing, different color ... notice that the pack of spring tufts that I got was very densely packed ... and this one isn't ... bummer!  ???  :-\

MiniNatur 725-22S

MN72522S on Scenic Express page linked in previous post.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
Next up:  933-21S Plane-tree foliage / spring

Correspond to:  MN93321S Sycamore leaf foliage / spring on Scenic Express site here:
http://www.sceneryexpress.com/products.asp?dept=1041&pagenumber=4&sort_on=&sort_by=

Oh yeah ... where that ruler appears:  it's a metric ruler ... the numbered markings are centimeters ... you can guess what the little ones are!  ;D


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 01:10:54 PM
next up:  MiniNatur 933-22S ... Plane tree foliage / summer (same thing, diff. color)

Corresponds to:  MN93322S on Scenic Express page linked in previous post

Figure is 1/35 scale


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
Last of what I've got ...

MiniNatur 936-22S Ivy, summer

Corresponds to  MN93622S on Scenic Express here:
http://www.sceneryexpress.com/products.asp?dept=1246

Figure is 1/35 scale


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
Note:  If you're tuning in on the latest post ... added a series of close-up photos of some MiniNatur / Silflor items ... photos STARTED on previous page!

A few random photos to round it out ... some loose leaves at the foot of a 1/35 figure ... the larger ones are from the tree foliage ... the smaller ones from the tufts ...

Another of Anders' photos showing varied uses of MiniNatur items (and whatever else he used ... you'll have to ask him!  Whatever he did, it worked real good.)  ;D  ;)

Hope these photos are useful ... if anyone wants to send me a whole big bundle of free MiniNatur stuff, I'll be glad to take more photos!  8)

Cheers,
Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 13, 2012, 01:45:45 PM
Dallas that is excellent! Thank you for the effort. Those are the kind of close-ups that site should have.

I bought some sampler grass only tufts a while back-I think its a good idea, otherwise it's about 25 bucks minimum to try something you can't see very well. I'll look at those leafy tufts-I'd guess the horsetail stuff is the same leaves, but no sampler size yet.

Thanks again.

  

 


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
Dallas that is excellent! Thank you for the effort. Those are the kind of close-ups that site should have.

I bought some sampler grass only tufts a while back-I think its a good idea, otherwise it's about 25 bucks minimum to try something you can't see very well. I'll look at those leafy tufts-I'd guess the horsetail stuff is the same leaves, but no sampler size yet.

Thanks again.

My pleasure!  Okay ... here's something else, directly related ... I got my MiniNatur stuff from Irresistible Force in Australia.  Prices are in Australian dollars (AUD), so check the conversion rate ... they have a bunch of stuff that Scenic Express doesn't have ... AND ... they FREE SHIPPING (yes, international) on orders over $30AUD (compared to $9 or $10 "flat" shipping from Scenic Express).  My order from them, placed earlier this year, took about 15 days to arrive.  Note:  If you do order from these guys, be sure to review the shipping options and select the free one if that's what you like!  ;)

Now, looking at their site, they DO show sampler packs of the horsetail ... and it looks quite a bit different:
http://www.irresistibleforce.com.au/catalog/miniNaturSILFLOR,178.aspx

Or, if the link goes nuts:  go to http://www.irresistibleforce.com.au/ and navigate to scenery/terrain stuff ... look thru the Silflor (MiniNatur) links ... horsetail is in the "Silflor Misc" section

Now, to add FURTHER CONFUSION  ::) ... and extra potential expense  :P ... Verlinden and others offer various photo-etched leaf sets (and Ken Hamilton has etched ivy on his Wildhare site!).

So, if you're looking for close-up stuff ... you might need to have a look at some of the PE sets ... also, Kamizukuri (sp?) and others offer laser-cut paper leaves, etc.  Search "leaf" or "leaves" on LuckyModel.com for example.

First photo is ye olde typical super crappy catalog photo ... then some shots that I took ... which are kinda crappy cuz the sheet still has the clear protective film on it  8) ... if I ever get far enough on the 1/35 cafe, I might try using this for detailed leafy stuff in window boxes with some of the fancy flowers shown earlier in thread.

Last photo:  metric ruler again, numbered marks are centimeters.

Cheers,
Dallas


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on June 13, 2012, 03:08:18 PM
"Milocomarty" (not our Marty) over on the RR Line forum has been doing some interesting scenery ... he mentioned that he prefers the Polak (brand) leaves over the Noch here:

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31734&whichpage=59

... and illustrates that they come in a greater variety (and it looks like more subdued colors than the Noch).

This is the source that he linked somewhere else in that or another of his threads:
http://www.sceneryshop.nl/

Ha-ha ... more choices ... more confusion!  -- Dallas   8)



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Ray Dunakin on June 13, 2012, 10:10:48 PM
Wow, incredible detail in those brass leaves!

Any idea what the other leaves are made of? I'm guessing paper, either punched out (for leafy shapes) or shredded (random shapes). Correct?



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on June 14, 2012, 07:51:22 AM
Thanks Dallas. Confusion I already had!

I am not going for super close-up quality in O scale.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on June 16, 2012, 12:35:04 AM
Dallas,

Thanks for all the work and effort in providing this wonderful insight and information.

Marc


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: danpickard on June 17, 2012, 11:33:47 PM
    Marcel pointed out these books when discussing my 1:35 start last weekend.
      
    http://www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/72/374 (http://www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/72/374)

    http:// www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/73/510 (http://www.modelersalliance.com/component/content/article/73/510)  

    Highly recommended.

    Jacq

I received my copies of these books today...great reading.  Excellent photos, clear descriptions, clever ideas.  Got my bedtime reading for the evening sorted.

Dan


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on September 07, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Ran across these materials, and thought I would order some to see what it was like. Always interested in different dirt/rock groundcover. (this stuff is a grey-brown tone, so hopefully should easily take any painting, shading and washes after it is applied).

Natural Stone Melanit grain 0-1mm http://www.nordlandmodels.com/product/nm-k04-natural-stone-gray-brown-extra-fine:13465/ (http://www.nordlandmodels.com/product/nm-k04-natural-stone-gray-brown-extra-fine:13465/)

(http://www.nordlandmodels.com/image/product/200:200/jpg/26746/nm-k04-natural-stone-gray-brown-extra-fine.jpg)


Natural Stone Phonolit grain 1-2mm http://www.nordlandmodels.com/product/nm-k07-natural-stone-gray-fine:13467/ (http://www.nordlandmodels.com/product/nm-k07-natural-stone-gray-fine:13467/)

(http://www.nordlandmodels.com/image/product/200:200/jpg/26769/nm-k07-natural-stone-gray-fine.jpg)


Never ordered from this supplier before (usually use Jadar Hobbies)...but selection and stock seem really good, with some unique mfrs./lines, and service so far has been very good; ordered Weds., was sent invoice Thurs. (I paid via PayPal), and items show shipped today. Airmail with certified deliv, was $11.00....not bad considering the cost savings I had on some of the items because I was non EU (so no VAT)...I still came out ahead.




Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Malachi Constant on September 17, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
Dave?  Dave's not here man!  8)

http://www.realityinscale.com/epages/61537336.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61537336/Products/VG3016


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on September 17, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
Perfect for that Afghanistan, hippy commune, or  Nor. Cal Pot farm scene!


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Mr Potato Head on May 08, 2013, 10:14:26 PM
I just saw an article in the Narrow Gauge & Industrial Review #87 about the Crowsnest  Chronicles and on page 327 the author shows a bundle of Heki fibers, does anyone know where I can get these ?
Thanks
MPH


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: marc_reusser on May 09, 2013, 02:27:06 AM
From Heki?  ::)

Try "Scenic Express"...they have a boatload of those produtcts..and yes, I believe they carry Heki.

Here is a link to the static grass page, if that is what you are looking for:
http://www.sceneryexpress.com/products.asp?dept=1046

Crikey...just noticed that these guys are in LA......last time it cost me a bundle in shipping and took a week to get....hell, I could have driven over there and picked it up in 20mins!  :-X





Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: lab-dad on May 09, 2013, 06:30:06 AM
Quote
I just saw an article in the Narrow Gauge & Industrial Review #87 about the Crowsnest  Chronicles and on page 327

Am I to believe that that magazine has over 327 pages????

-Marty


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Mr Potato Head on May 09, 2013, 10:41:17 AM
Yes what's so surprising?  ::) ::)
They continue to count
pages each year,
Hey their British ;D
MPH
Hooked on ING


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on May 09, 2013, 10:48:50 AM
Those are Metric pages-divide by 25.4 for the true count.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on May 09, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
Yes what's so surprising?  ::) ::)
They continue to count
pages each year,
Hey their British ;D
MPH
Hooked on ING

  That's right , we're British and as such like to do things differently . So with the Review there are four issues in a year and two years worth of Reviews in a volume . We are now up to volume 12 . There are about 50 pages in each issue and the last page number in issue 11 was 384 . Now are there any further questions ?

   MPH , I was going to correct you on your spelling of " they're " , but I figured it wouldn't go down too well !

   Nick


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Mr Potato Head on May 09, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
Hey I get corrected all the time! 
I am married! ::) ::) :'( :'(
Can I get a rim shot ???
MPH
Happily married to Mrs. Hello Kitty


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on August 21, 2013, 09:26:19 AM
Some found inspiration:

        (http://images56.fotki.com/v362/photos/9/777399/10366138/VEGI-vi.jpg)

Beautiful scenery work. I am assuming 1/35th.








Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: finescalerr on August 21, 2013, 12:20:57 PM
Hot tamales! That's terrific! -- Russ


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Ray Dunakin on August 21, 2013, 05:40:18 PM
That is truly amazing work!


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Mobilgas on August 21, 2013, 09:07:09 PM
Yes......nice work.....Chuck were did you find it??


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: BKLN on August 22, 2013, 08:00:12 AM
http://www.migproductionsforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8925&start=45&hilit=m+113


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Chuck Doan on August 22, 2013, 08:18:35 AM
Thanks for the link, I haven't been to the MIg forum for a long time. I found a pic shared on FB. Beautiful work.



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Marc988 on August 22, 2013, 02:48:13 PM
Wow !,  :o. Truly amazing work.

To bad there is no SBS on the water as he announced earlier in the thread. I would have loved to read about that.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Lawton Maner on August 22, 2013, 11:47:57 PM
I'll have flashbacks all night.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Guy Milh(imeter) on August 23, 2013, 01:48:43 AM
The guy uses Polàk products for his ground works.
Very very nice stuff, unfortunately the website says the company is for sale, ... :(

http://www.polakmodel.com/en/text/main/Sales-1.html

Guy


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: shropshire lad on August 23, 2013, 01:58:34 AM
The guy uses Polàk products for his ground works.
Very very nice stuff, unfortunately the website says the company is for sale, ... :(

http://www.polakmodel.com/en/text/main/Sales-1.html

Guy

  Which may not be a bad thing as any new owner might make their products easier to get hold of .


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Guy Milh(imeter) on August 23, 2013, 01:59:32 AM
here is another diorama from the same guy + SBS on groundwork !!

http://www.migproductionsforums.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8012&start=60

found his blog:

http://rollingstonemodel.blogspot.be/

but unfortunatly he stopped modelling: he's heart goes to R&R now (plays gitaar, (not that I understand Polish, on line translator machine did the work).
Strange, ... many modellers also play music  ;D


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: mspaw on March 09, 2014, 09:21:36 PM
Gordon-

Is this sbs still available anywhere? I was just out collecting some leaves this afternoon, in prep for something coming up.

Thanks so much.

-Michael


This link will give you details of the different methods that I have used for preserving natural/real plants.

http://www.thegardener.btinternet.co.uk/preserving.html

FWIW, my views:

Air Drying, works well with most vegetation but you need to plan ahead as it takes time - I have "sealed " plants after drying with light sprays of varnish.

Glycerine, again works well and the colour change helps indicate when process is completed - again takes time and I have had issues with "glycerine bleed" afterwards.

Desiccants, forget it unless you are sealing your model up after completion - even spraying with a varnish does not seem to stop plant re-absorbing moisture from the air.

Pressing, works well just visit a good natural history museum to see but not come across a use for it in modelling.

Microwave, my favourite due to speed and ease of use. You do need to experiment as there is a fine line between drying out the plant material so that it is still slightly pliable and drying it out to such an extent that it crumbles to dust when you touch it !




Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Gordon Ferguson on March 10, 2014, 02:36:16 AM
Michael,

This link gives much the same info

http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/plant_info/identifying_plants/processing_plant_specimens/Preserving_plant_specimens


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: mspaw on March 10, 2014, 12:20:29 PM
Thanks!

-Michael



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bill Gill on December 24, 2015, 07:13:15 AM
Does anyone recognize this scenery foliage material?
I was given this small sample by a modeler who asked me what it was. I don't have a clue. I can't even tell if it is a synthetic material like a thin plastic film or something natural that has been processed. It is fairly fragile and falls apart readily if handled.

It kind of looks like Woodland Scenics "Foliage Clusters", but not exactly. The Woodland Scenics clusters look like they have a finer texture, but the photos on line are not sharp enough to tell for sure. There are other WS products that don't seem to look just like this either.

If you have used this stuff, what is it and where did it come from?


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Design-HSB on December 24, 2015, 01:31:01 PM
Bill

as you describe it, I think it could be Iceland moss.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bill Gill on December 24, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
Thank you, Helmut. it does look like it might be Icelandic moss that has been preserved and colored.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bexley on December 28, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
Ooh! Ooh! I know! It's SuperTurf (http://www.sceneryexpress.com/SuperTurf/products/1243/) from Scenic Express.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bill Gill on December 28, 2015, 05:05:22 PM
Thank you Bexley, It does look a lot like that Super Turf. I'll have to double check by comparing it in hand because it's so compact in the photo that it's hard to see exactly what the texture is. The Scenic Express site describes it as "a unique open-cell foam foliage". What I have looks more like a thin, crinkly plastic film instead of foam, but their  display photo does look pretty similar.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: finescalerr on December 28, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
Bexley, you seem very enthusiastic today. I will give you a gold star but you still must stand in the corner. -- ssuR


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bill Gill on December 29, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
May Bexley come out of the corner? His answer was correct! There's a very short YouTube video that shows the Super Turf up close at about 49 seconds and it is the same stuff I asked about.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG1DhU8SQ4g
Thanks Bexley.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Design-HSB on December 29, 2015, 05:19:15 PM
OK, I'm going in the corner?

(http://www.buntbahn.de/fotos/data/6264/13IMG_20150216_084709.jpg)



Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: finescalerr on December 30, 2015, 02:06:35 AM
Thank you for standing in the corner, Helmut. You are a shining example for everybody on this forum. -- Russ


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Lawton Maner on December 30, 2015, 08:14:46 AM
We'll all be OK as long as he keeps his hands where we can see them.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Design-HSB on December 30, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
at times to come back to the actual topic here what you think of the tree?

(http://www.buntbahn.de/fotos/data/6264/13IMG_20151230_185041.jpg)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: finescalerr on December 30, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
It looks very good. -- Russ


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bill Gill on December 30, 2015, 01:30:05 PM
Helmut, Yes, the tree looks very good, how did you make it?
Also, don't know why you had to take Bexley's place in the corner. If it was because my foliage sample may not actually have been reindeer moss, well, it does look very similar :)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Design-HSB on December 30, 2015, 04:13:35 PM
No, I have not even created the tree. I bought the track just to see 0 tree in scale 1:45 to the effect.
For my model's scale of 1: 22.5, and thus actually twice as large.

Here is another picture.

(http://www.buntbahn.de/fotos/data/6264/13IMG_20151124_223623.jpg)

Bill no problem, I just love it that here the model is maintained not only with very high quality standards, but is also provided with the humor.
Would make me otherwise even in the corner and a loo show that you can go from the corner to go to the toilet.   ;D
The toilet, however, built himself.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: finescalerr on December 31, 2015, 01:37:44 AM
Helmut, the corner is one thing. The toilet is quite another. Please, do us all a favor and stay out of the toilet! -- Russ


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Hydrostat on December 31, 2015, 09:45:33 AM
Helmut, the corner is one thing. The toilet is quite another. Please, do us all a favor and stay out of the toilet! -- Russ

Russ, he doesn't fit in there. It's a model. And he's not (pun intended).

About the tree: In the first picture it looks quite good, but a bit out of scale because It shows the growth form of a full grown tree. In the second picture the foliage looks a bit too 'cloudy' or coagulative. Would be interesting to see a scale tree at your diorama!

Cheers,
Volker


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Bexley on May 25, 2016, 04:43:42 PM
Miniature leaf punches. (http://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/101-punches)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Design-HSB on May 26, 2016, 01:54:27 AM
Hello  Bexlay,
Thanks for the link.
Anyone of you the punch and can tell me how big the punched sheets are then?


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Hydrostat on May 26, 2016, 02:39:33 AM
http://www.greenstuffworld.com/1931-thickbox_default/miniature-leaf-punch-punches.jpg (http://www.greenstuffworld.com/1931-thickbox_default/miniature-leaf-punch-punches.jpg)


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Design-HSB on May 26, 2016, 03:23:08 AM
Volker, unfortunately finger no suitable comparison, I tested there more to values ​​in mm.


Title: Re: Fine-scale Leaves, Plants, Vegetation and Scenic /Scenery supplies
Post by: Les Tindall on January 04, 2019, 02:42:50 PM
Just to come back to this discussion (after quite a while)- many of the web sites shown are now "closed", others seem to focus on 1/35th.  However as I am now modelling in the larger scale of 1/19th does anyone have info on foliage/grass/etc for that scale (or thereabouts). I've seen some sites using brass frets for ivy (at quite a cost!) but are there any "natural" products around?
Les